Our fans mentality

[dannythomas]

In today’s market if you want to sign your targets you won’t get them by haggling and playing chicken. Man U have arguably paid over the odds for both Wan Bissaka and Maguire. Arsenal the same for Pepe. Do you think either set of fans care ? When I read headlines like “ Spurs swoop for Fernandes or Dybala “ I just laugh. We swoop by offering well below the asking price meaning there is zero chance of it happening. Levy will continue with his market trader methods because he can’t or won’t change.

I’m just hoping we get GLC done . We have been haggling for weeks. We are only still in the hunt because it seems like he wants to play for Poch . But if Levy continues to play chicken with the deal it probably won’t happen.

 

[thekneaf]

I keep having the same conversations with Spurs fans, going crazy that we aren't spending 100's of millions because this seems to be our 'only chance'.

Look at Everton, a similar club to us ten years ago. Great fan base, some good history, not a huge stadium and don't go and spend huge wages on players. Without huge oil money investment over these years look where we are and look at them. The progression of this club over these last ten years probably can't be replicated by any other in Europe. Going from a decent top 10 team that played entertaining football, to Champions League regulars / finalists and battling it out in the top 3/4 of the hardest league in Europe and being competitive - when against City, United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal who all currently or did have way may spending power than us. It's been nothing short of phenomenal that during these 10 years we have not only remained competitive, but, We have also built the best or one of the best training facilities and stadiums in Europe during this time of pretty average success.

Then this window we go and buy one of the most sought after CM in world football in a position that was highest priority at a decent price nearly 20m less than Pepe. We have gone and grabbed one of the most exciting players in the Championship and fingers crossed we end up with someone like Lo Celso or similar before the window shuts. Yet people are going crazy that we aren't backing the manager, that Levy is rubbish, that we should just go and pay what the selling club wants.... do people not realise how bizarre that sounds, then following it up with, it's only 10m?! We aren't currently at the point of United, or backed by Oil that we can behave in such a way.

The window isn't closed yet, lots can still happen. If this time next week, Rose, Toby and Eriksen leave and we only bring in say Lo Celso. Then go ahead and vent because that would be difficult to process even for me, but people seemingly acting like this has already happened and completely ignoring the amazing journey we have been on these last 10 years, to spout rubbish that Levy should go and we aren't pushing on, it pure craziness.

This a thousand times over.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Not at all. Tottenham is blessed with some of the absolute best fans in the world. We are really, really great. Too great for our own good.

Have you read some of the comments on here after a loss? Define "To great for our own good"

 

[Shadydan]

In today’s market if you want to sign your targets you won’t get them by haggling and playing chicken. Man U have arguably paid over the odds for both Wan Bissaka and Maguire. Arsenal the same for Pepe. Do you think either set of fans care ? When I read headlines like “ Spurs swoop for Fernandes or Dybala “ I just laugh. We swoop by offering well below the asking price meaning there is zero chance of it happening. Levy will continue with his market trader methods because he can’t or won’t change.

I’m just hoping we get GLC done . We have been haggling for weeks. We are only still in the hunt because it seems like he wants to play for Poch . But if Levy continues to play chicken with the deal it probably won’t happen.

lol You're using Man Utd and Arsenal as examples of two clubs who are able to get deals done by paying over the odds? Two teams who have recently been notoriously shite at negotiating for players, yet we should follow their lead? Two teams who also have players stuck on lucrative contracts aren't worth anywhere near what they're earning and are now struggling to get rid of them?

How's that for paying over the odds? it's an amateur tactic and it's bad practice to do business like that. Man City could have paid over the odds for Rodri, they didn't...and we're talking about one of the richest clubs in the world - the reason is because like most teams they have a budget and principles they choose to stick to, just like us.

I don't understand why people are suddenly praising Arsenal's ability to sign players after this Pepe deal when they've been behaving like paupers all summer with Zaha and Tierney and bidding well under their market value. In regards to the Pepe deal the only reason why they were able to get the deal wrapped up is because they are paying Lille £10m p/y based over 5 seasons after an initial £20m down-payment. Lille are notoriously easy to deal with regardless because they rarely invest their money back into the team, they're a club who buy cheap, develop and sell relatively high so they'll be happy to receive guaranteed payment over the 5 year period, they're unlike a lot of other teams.

As for Utd why are you comparing us and them when their yearly revenue is £590m, they can afford to pay big which is a reason why they get rinsed in the market, despite the profits we made last year we're still not getting anywhere near £590m year on year so we don't have the luxury of paying over the odds for players.

 

[mattdefoe]

Going to be a tad controversial with my first post. But am keen to gauge whether I am in the minority of spurs fans?

In my opinion the attitudes of a lot of our fans need to change, there seems to be an acceptance of mediocrity from a large number. I am getting a bit fed up with some supporters for example being just happy that we got to the champions league final. Sure, it was an achievement no one denies that but at the end of the day in a few years no one (apart from spurs fans) will remember the losing finalists, we are now in the same bracket as the likes of Bayer Leverkusen, Monaco, and Valencia as losing finalists. It’s nothing to be proud of in my opinion and only winning counts. Spurs fans should have been more annoyed with the performance that night. Liverpool were poor and certainly were there for the taking, but unfortunately like most of our fans the players seemed to be happy with just being there.
It is now 11 years without a trophy the longest period of non success since 1950. This isn’t good enough for me. Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, city, United, Portsmouth, and Wigan have all won a trophy since our last and we have lost what 8? FA Cup Semi Finals on the spin? That is not good enough for a club of our stature, yet the "pressure" doesn't seem to be the same as other big clubs in my view.
We have the most expensive ticket prices in the world, we have a magnificent brand new stadium, and some world class players, however there are glaring holes in the squad, namely fullbacks and backups to key players like Kane & Eriksen (If he stays, which is a separate conversation). So far for me the transfer window has been a disappointment. The signing of Ndombele looks a great one, but it was 6 months too late! We needed him as a replacement for Dembele.
We lost 20 games last season and our squad proved to be not good enough as we barely scraped Top 4. We need new players, it's as simple as that. Our squad was depleted last year, and we've lost Trippier, Vorm & Llorente meaning we're currently weaker in terms of numbers. If we don't sign anybody else, it'll be a disaster given the stadium is finished, we announced record profits last year, made nearly £100 million from the Champions league alone and also recently announced our biggest ever kit deal with AIA.

But come on spurs fans we need to demand more, put more pressure on the owners. We aren’t some small plucky club that is performing miracles. We are a huge club, huge support, and all the parts in place to be a huge European force. Start acting like it! Demand more from your club. All this happy to be there rubbish needs to stop, Watching the parade in Liverpool made me sick, and I was desperate to experience it as a Spurs fan with my kids. The last time our great club with such a rich history had a parade was nearly 30 years ago!

Hard to disagree , no one seems to be apoligising for the performance in the final, it was dam right awful at times and it feels like an unanswered cliffhanger , as does our terrible form towards the end of the season

Also the amount of time the stadium took and the acceptance from our fans to continue with Wembley etc

Acceptance of not winning anything

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Hard to disagree , no one seems to be apoligising for the performance in the final, it was dam right awful at times and it feels like an unanswered cliffhanger , as does our terrible form towards the end of the season

Also the amount of time the stadium took and the acceptance from our fans to continue with Wembley etc

Acceptance of not winning anything

I'm curious. Seeing as it's all 'acceptance' how does one go about doing the opposite and not accepting? What form does that take?

 

[Shadydan]

I'm curious. Seeing as it's all 'acceptance' how does one go about doing the opposite and not accepting? What form does that take?

Maybe we should trash the stadium in protest of the stadium being delayed therefore causing it to close temporarily and moving back to Wembley for a few weeks, that'll teach the club.

 

[Gb160]

Hard to disagree , no one seems to be apoligising for the performance in the final, it was dam right awful at times and it feels like an unanswered cliffhanger , as does our terrible form towards the end of the season

Also the amount of time the stadium took and the acceptance from our fans to continue with Wembley etc

Acceptance of not winning anything

Blimey, just listen to yourself lol.
You've already been asked, but how do you suggest we dealt with the stadium delay?, demanded to play in an unfinished stadium without a working fire system?

Entitlement is strong in this one.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

Honestly, this last week and the posts in the transfer forum has reminded me how much i hate our fans. Especially you reading this, you're the worst of all, you have the worst opinions i have ever heard and those shoes you wear look ridiculous.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm curious. Seeing as it's all 'acceptance' how does one go about doing the opposite and not accepting? What form does that take?

Grumbling on a fans forum?

 

[mattdefoe]

Blimey, just listen to yourself lol.
You've already been asked, but how do you suggest we dealt with the stadium delay?, demanded to play in an unfinished stadium without a working fire system?

Entitlement is strong in this one.

It’s true though regarding the final, with three weeks preparation and the build up there was no excuses really ?

We got given a flat performance and all we had at the end was acceptance and second rate mentality

When Chelsea made the final without deserving to on a miracle run , they come out of it with a win .

We came out with a flat uninspiring performance

 

[Gb160]

It’s true though regarding the final, with three weeks preparation and the build up there was no excuses really ?

We got given a flat performance and all we had at the end was acceptance and second rate mentality

When Chelsea made the final without deserving to on a miracle run , they come out of it with a win .

We came out with a flat uninspiring performance

The notion that you're somehow owed an apology is just weirdly entitled.

About the stadium though....what do u suggest we, as fans, did about the delay? You haven't answered that one.

 

[Black]

I think are owed a apology for the CL our manager played a unfit striker for 90 mins.

 

[Giovanni]

So just a question to those who wholeheartedly back levy and the club regardless of what happens in the transfer window..........

If poch was to walk after the transfer window or during this season, how would you feel? Would you back levy and enic just as much or would you dislike poch for walking? Would you say that poch was too good for us just as we say of some great players that have moved on (bale, modric etc) to reach there career goals?

 

[Gb160]

So just a question to those who wholeheartedly back levy and the club regardless of what happens in the transfer window..........

Who has said they'll do that?

 

[SandroClegane]

So just a question to those who wholeheartedly back levy and the club regardless of what happens in the transfer window..........

If poch was to walk after the transfer window or during this season, how would you feel? Would you back levy and enic just as much or would you dislike poch for walking? Would you say that poch was too good for us just as we say of some great players that have moved on (bale, modric etc) to reach there career goals?

How would I feel? I'd go on living my life and supporting Spurs because no one is bigger than the club.

 

[spud]

What's lacking is the attitude within the club, the final desire, yearning on multiple levels.

You know this how?

And if one would want to change the fans' attitude, one would start with building a winner club to get winner fans. It's not the fans' job to change the mentality of the club, but the club to prove themselves enough to deserve even better fans.

What the fuck are 'winner fans'? The more success you have, the more plastics and glory hunters you attract.

But honestly, we are great fans, and the club is lucky to have us.

Some fans are 'great', some fans are not, depending upon your perspective. 'Great' fans are those who follow the team - and support it - when the team is shit. Like City fans who filled Maine Road when the team was in the third tier. This club - any club - is lucky to have those.

Fans who aren't great are those who demand constant winning, bitch about it when it doesn't happen (and always have a scapegoat) before they fuck off to 'support' the current top team. The club needs them for the money they provide. As far as I'm concerned they can do one.

 

[mattdefoe]

The notion that you're somehow owed an apology is just weirdly entitled.

About the stadium though....what do u suggest we, as fans, did about the delay? You haven't answered that one.

It’s not entitled , I’d love to know the thoughts why we we were so flat after a 3 week rest. Did the occasion get the better of us ? It was the biggest game in the clubs history, it cost the fans a fortune

There’s nothing the fans could directly do but large numbers still paid for season tickets at Levy’s prices etc

 

[spud]

It’s not entitled , I’d love to know the thoughts why we we were so flat after a 3 week rest. Did the occasion get the better of us ? It was the biggest game in the clubs history, it cost the fans a fortune

How about we concede a penalty in the first minute, which enabled the opposition - whose game plan was clearly to absorb all our pressure and catch us on the break - to carry out that plan perfectly, having been relieved of the need to attack at all.

Have you ever played football? Have you ever played against a team of well-drilled, high-quality defenders whose only concern was preventing the opposition from scoring? Have you ever played against a really good team who put nine (and sometimes ten) men behind the ball for the whole game? When you have, you can talk about us being 'flat'.

Yes it cost the fans a fortune. A fortune that they were happy to pay to be a part of it. Everybody at the club and all fans would obviously have preferred it if we had won. But we didn't. Deal with it. I've paid 'fortunes' to see us play in finals, domestic and european. Some we won, some we lost. But I was there; I wouldn't have missed any of them. If those fans who went to Madrid begrudge the money then they shouldn't have fucking spent it in the first place.

 

[mattdefoe]

How about we concede a penalty in the first minute, which enabled the opposition - whose game plan was clearly to absorb all our pressure and catch us on the break - to carry out that plan perfectly, having been relieved of the need to attack at all.

Have you ever played football? Have you ever played against a team of well-drilled, high-quality defenders whose only concern was preventing the opposition from scoring? Have you ever played against a really good team who put nine (and sometimes ten) men behind the ball for the whole game? When you have, you can talk about us being 'flat'.

Yes it cost the fans a fortune. A fortune that they were happy to pay to be a part of it. Everybody at the club and all fans would obviously have preferred it if we had won. But we didn't. Deal with it. I've paid 'fortunes' to see us play in finals, domestic and european. Some we won, some we lost. But I was there; I wouldn't have missed any of them. If those fans who went to Madrid begrudge the money then they shouldn't have fucking spent it in the first place.

I went aswell . The money wasn’t an issue for me but I know it was for some .

Three weeks of preparation and no shots on target till about 70 mins?

And yes I played football for years at a strong level probably higher than you , you don’t even know me so I’m allowed an opinion