Overeaction!

[YiddoTom90]

Watford, west brom, leicester. 2 points is shocking from that lot. Stoke will be tough with our current form.

 

[JAYSTAR]

The reality is that Toby is top drawer. Wanyama was the best or joint best cdm with Kante and Lamela and Rose were key players for us up until a year ago. In the last year we have had to cope without our best LWB, best CDM and best CB and our second best and cover RWF in Lamela. We didn't have any alternatives last season and played our youngsters. Now we have slightly better alternatives, but not top drawer. It's the injuries that are affecting us and we'll just have to see how we perform when everyone is available, rested and fit. Which might not be til Feb some time!

 

[dricha1]

This might be one of those threads we look back at in May and laugh at how we were shitting ourselves over a 4 game winless streak. Let's be honest we were never going to get anywhere near last season considering we're playing at Wembley. Man City are on course for 100+ points anyway the rate they are going, there's no stopping that even if we had our best ever season. I still think we'll find our mojo again soon, we need to rest everyone we possible can against APOEL, Poch needs his head checking if he plays any of our key players.

Well Sanchez can start seeing as he’ll be sitting a few out over the next few weeks. Pity Lamela is not in the CL squad...but it’ll be full back rotation, Winks, Sissoko, son and Llorente. A rest for the others should see us right for Stoke and Brighton, 2 home wins and we’ll be back on track

 

[rossdapep]

He's a big loss for sure, but our attacking players haven't exactly been firing on all cylinders in the league this season

That's very true and they weren't around this time last season either. The difference I feel is that we were at our real home for some of these games and that carried us through. At the same time we were much more settled and protected at the back which meant if we didn't score we didn't concede either or similar ilk. This season we are far from our settled best defensively and we aren't at the lane to make us feel more confident.

We desperately need Wanyama and Toby back. We also really need Aurier and Rose to get to their best. I feel that'll give us the platform to kick on.

 

[Trix]

Take the last 5 games in isolation and this is relegation form.

Bring back the high intensity press ffs!!!

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Take the last 5 games in isolation and this is relegation form.

Bring back the high intensity press ffs!!!

half the lads are not even fit from the beginning of the match, let alone sustain a high press for the amount of games we have had and are coming up. Shot ourselves in the foot with the past market and sadly there is nothing we can do until the end of the year

 

[Metalhead]

half the lads are not even fit from the beginning of the match, let alone sustain a high press for the amount of games we have had and are coming up. Shot ourselves in the foot with the past market and sadly there is nothing we can do until the end of the year

Even then, I would be surprised (albeit pleasantly so) if we sign anyone in the January window.

 

[panoma]

So tired of the Toby and Wanyama excuses. All that do is justify the rest of the players' poor performances. We have very capable options in either position.

United regularly have to field Smalling and Lindelof due to injuries for both Bailly and Jones. Neither would get ahead of Jan, Sanchez, Dier and possibly even Davies. They also lacked one of their best midfielders in Pogba most the season, yet they manage to pick up wins.

Not a single player from Liverpools midfield or defense would get in our team, injuries to Toby and Wanyama or not. The difference is their attacking players delivers and work their socks off.

Eriksen and Alli need to find form quick, as we won't win many games if we're gonna avarage a goal a match.

If any of Kane, Eriksen or Alli is even cin consideration for the APOEL match i will be pissed off. Give them all the week off and hope they rediscover some form, or else we are in big big trouble.

 

[spursfan77]

This is so ridiculous. We're just going through a bad patch. It's happened to most of the other teams in the top 6. Nothing to start crying yourself to sleep about. To insinuate that the teams above us will not lose any form throughout the rest of the season and that we won't recover form is a idiotic statement in itself.

Exactly.

Let's look at Liverpool last season as a prime example. They started off the season really well then had an awful December and January but pulled themselves together once they got their injured players back in February, got a good run of results together and got top 4 in the end. We are just having the same problems they did. It's virtually a carbon copy thus far from memory.

Edit: just checked and it was January where they were terrible until they played, guess who in February which they then went on a run of results. In January they played 9 games and won just once, 1 nil away at Plymouth in the cup.

 

[coys200]

All round it’s a bit of a conundrum when you look at the other top 6 squads.As a whole squad would I actually swap ours for others. Obviously only City. For me we are 3 players away from having one of best squads in Europe imo. I think Liverpool and Arsenal are much further away.

Liverpool- hugely reliant on Salah mane coutinho. Wouldn’t take any of their midfield or defenders. Maybe lallana.
Arsenal- hugely dependent on ozil Sanchez who are about to leave. Aging squad. Again wouldn’t take any of their midfield or defenders.
Chelsea- There’s a lot of like for like players between us you could debate. The obvious edge they have is hazard.
United- Think Pogba showed yesterday he is a difference maker. But again there’s not a huge amount in. However a rashford or martial would be just what we need.

I think the other top 6 would take 12-14 of our players as starters or squad players. For me there’s no need to panic. 2 or 3 players in attacking arrears could make a huge difference to the overall picture.

 

[Garbob]

Take the last 5 games in isolation and this is relegation form.

Bring back the high intensity press ffs!!!

Yep. Based on points we are closer to relegation than the top.

 

[Thewobbler]

I wont panic just yet but if we dont win the next 2 then I would get concerned. Should really be destroying stoke and brighton. We need to really as we need to go to city with some confidence.

 

[Gb160]

Hehe, this is now the go to thread for overreactions, exactly what the op was pointing out.
Relegation talk now, good lord.

 

[riggi]

 

[cozzo]

Complacency has been Tottenham's DNA for yonks... We have a few good results, then get turned over by Norwich/Wigan/Bolton, delete where applicable. That's exactly what I reckon I've been seeing this last two games. Same happened last season.

It's the last piece of the club's "identity" that Poch needs to rectify.

I don't think that has been a problem over the last two seasons

 

[Hazardousman]

Always excuses, never admittance, this is why we never achieve anything, the fans are happy to settle for whatever is given to them and if you think like that then frankly you don't deserve to have success as a supporter.

You want us to win things? Well then we need to start thinking like winners do and make sure that is relayed to the team, Poch wants a winning mentality and so should we, if we are going to sit here and keep making excuses for shit performances then we will ultimately continue to get shit performances.

It's like @Trix said, this is relegation form (and no, we aren't going to get relegated but the point still stands remains that our EFFORT in games is missing, the press is gone and it seems like the players aren't giving 100% in games until it's already too late and the damage has been done.)

In this league you need to be on it from the first minute until the last, we seem to be lacking focus, it's almost as if the players noticed the league is out of reach and can't be bothered to play at the same levels they have been the last few seasons because it took a monumental effort, therefore their focus has been on the CL instead (hence us seeing more effort in those games) some of them are probably already thinking of the world cup or possibly even transfers and where they might be going next season after seeing what Walker is doing as well, if you think otherwise you are deluding yourselves.

The overall feeling around the team seems to have changed, I can't put my finger on it but I don't want to blame Poch because he deserves better than what his players are giving him right now and it sort of feels like their is a collective feeling around the squad that we have hit our level, the league is out of reach because we can't spend as much money as the Man Cities of this world and the players have just sort of thrown in the towel, they have probably let the media get in their ear too much as well, it really wouldn't surprise me, we continually have the press talking about how much more our players could get and trying to deconstruct this team we have built, it must get frustrating for the players like it does for the fans.

We are better than what we are showing, even with the injuries we have sustained, it's mentality that is lacking right now and Poch has got a big job on his hands getting it right imo.

Regardless what happens we have to put belief in Poch over the players, players come and go but I still believe Poch will lead us to great things regardless of who stays or goes.

 

[Hazardousman]

I don't think that has been a problem over the last two seasons

It has been to a certain degree because we have faultered at key times (Arsenal at home, 10 men, 2-1 up with a win putting us top above Leicester, the West Ham game last season etc.) but in general over the last two seasons these were the result of mental and physical burn out alongside a lack of experience in a title chasing situation.

However, I think this season we have gone backwards for the reasons I have outlined in the post above this.

 

[Gb160]

Always excuses, never admittance, this is why we never achieve anything, the fans are happy to settle for whatever is given to them and if you think like that then frankly you don't deserve to have success as a supporter.

You want us to win things? Well then we need to start thinking like winners do and make sure that is relayed to the team, Poch wants a winning mentality and so should we, if we are going to sit here and keep making excuses for shit performances then we will ultimately continue to get shit performances.

It's like @Trix said, this is relegation form (and no, we aren't going to get relegated but the point still stands remains that our EFFORT in games is missing, the press is gone and it seems like the players aren't giving 100% in games until it's already too late and the damage has been done.)

In this league you need to be on it from the first minute until the last, we seem to be lacking focus, it's almost as if the players noticed the league is out of reach and can't be bothered to play at the same levels they have been the last few seasons because it took a monumental effort, therefore their focus has been on the CL instead (hence us seeing more effort in those games) some of them are probably already thinking of the world cup or possibly even transfers and where they might be going next season after seeing what Walker is doing as well, if you think otherwise you are deluding yourselves.

The overall feeling around the team seems to have changed, I can't put my finger on it but I don't want to blame Poch because he deserves better than what his players are giving him right now and it sort of feels like their is a collective feeling around the squad that we have hit our level, the league is out of reach because we can't spend as much money as the Man Cities of this world and the players have just sort of thrown in the towel, they have probably let the media get in their ear too much as well, it really wouldn't surprise me, we continually have the press talking about how much more our players could get and trying to deconstruct this team we have built, it must get frustrating for the players like it does for the fans.

We are better than what we are showing, even with the injuries we have sustained, it's mentality that is lacking right now and Poch has got a big job on his hands getting it right imo.

Regardless what happens we have to put belief in Poch over the players, players come and go but I still believe Poch will lead us to great things regardless of who stays or goes.

It's ridiculous to think that the attitude of fans would have any bearing on performances.
Also the idea that you only deserve success if you demand it as a fan, that's nonsense also, that's Poch's and the owners job.
It's called being realistic, and it's no wonder you're so angry and depressed all the time.

 

[tiger666]

Always excuses, never admittance, this is why we never achieve anything, the fans are happy to settle for whatever is given to them and if you think like that then frankly you don't deserve to have success as a supporter.

We haven't won a trophy because our fans settle for mediocrity?

 

[Hazardousman]

It's ridiculous to think that the attitude of fans would have any bearing on performances.
Also the idea that you only deserve success if you demand it as a fan, that's nonsense also, that's Poch's and the owners job.
It's called being realistic, and it's no wonder you're so angry and depressed all the time.

lol, I am not angry or depressed, you think that because I call out things when I see it? Because I am not in a constant happy clapper state and praise every single thing that happens and refuse to acknowledge when we have issues?

Of course the attitude of supporters has a bearing on things, there is a reason why the term "12th man" exists, the supporters at our club have been, for too long, happy with medicority.

The players sense when the fans are pissed off and they sense when they are happy, it makes a difference, you can be supportive of the team and criticise them without being an arsehole, I am not advocating for people to go into full on meltdown about how we are going to get relegated etc but I still think they have the right to voice their concerns, the problem is, some people think that being a supporter means ignoring every issue and blindly being happy or making excuses, I would say that makes a person a shit supporter and again, happy with mediocrity.

We have now had a period of fantastic success under Poch (albeit without any trophies yet) and the second we hit a bad time, instead of some fans voicing their concerns and wanting our team to do better and being vocal about their support, they sit back and say "Stop complaining, this is the best we have ever had it, just support the team!"

What they mean by "support the team" is, accept mediocrity and ignore issues or you are "negative" or as you say "angry and depressed" lol.

Do you think Poch sits around and tells the players behind the scenes "Don't worry lads, just keep playing the way you are and everything will fix itself, we have nothing whatsoever to improve upon and I refuse to say anything that is remotely negative about our performances because it might hurt your feelings and make me a shit manager."

No, he has bemoaned the lack of fight in recent weeks, but you know, if you say that on an internet forum or indicate we may have issues suddenly you become negative and can't find the positives in anything.

Some of you need to get your head out of the sand and out of your arses, it's ok to both be postive and negative, you do have a choice to embrace both you know, it's not one or the other.