"Pesrpective" from COYS

[WexfordTownSpur]

That makes no sense, we attracted Woody when we were a worse team. Fact.

The injury prone player that wasn't playing at real Madrid. How many games has he played this year. Yes I agree we were able to attract a player like Woodgate.

Look, I an not knocking Woodgate, he has been great for us when not injured, but the fact is, he was labelled as injury prone and was not considered in the same class as most CL CB's.

So I agree it would still be difficult (not imposible) for Spurs to attract the likes of Rio, Vidich, Terry etc to Spurs - but maybe there is another Vermarlaen out there - he looks impressive (feking Venga)

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Why?


Why didnt Woody stay at Madrid? Or go to United or Arsenal?

Because he's a fvcking injury waiting to happen. Sorry to put it bluntly but he is. Thats the only reason he is at Spurs, lets not cod ourselves.

Thats the point Im trying to make. At the level we are at we just cant attract top CB's in their prime who will perform week in week out....thats why we need to focus on players like Bassong and hope they mature into quality players.

Hang on, you said we couldn't attract players of the calibre of Woodgate, as we are not a CL side......but what I said was we attracted a player of Woodgate's calibre when we were not a champions league side before and were in a worse position than what we are now.

I'd rather us pay 8m for players like Bassong who slot in like they have played for us for years (have you seen any of our games? He's been pretty good.....)than spunk £24m on Lescott who quite frankly wasn't even the best defender at Everton let alone the best in the league as Mark Hughes quoted him.

Your point is moot, we don't need to attract top quality CB's we have good ones as it is.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

The injury prone player that wasn't playing at real Madrid. How many games has he played this year. Yes I agree we were able to attract a player like Woodgate.

Look, I an not knocking Woodgate, he has been great for us when not injured, but the fact is, he was labelled as injury prone and was not considered in the same class as most CL CB's.

So I agree it would still be difficult (not imposible) for Spurs to attract the likes of Rio, Vidich, Terry etc to Spurs - but maybe there is another Vermarlaen out there - he looks impressive (feking Venga)

No mate.....we signed him from Middlesborough. Where he made 46 appearances in 1 and a half seasons, wouldn't call that injury prone.

 

[Bing]

We have CB's who have a huge potential. As Linekar stated in his article posted on another thread on their day Woody and King is the best partnership in the league.

But they dont play...all very well saying we have good CB's but do we really have good CB's?

Both Woody and King are too injury prone to ever form a solid reliable partnership that the club needs to suceed. Dawson is'nt good enough.

I wasnt saying anything bad about Bassong. I think he is a great player who has bags of potential. We need to partner him with another such player so they can build a relationship, a strong partnership, and move us forward.

People are too sentimental about woody and king. Great players but it just cant work (and I reckon Harry knows this and already has plans for the not to distant future).

 

[Dougal]

Dawson is vastly underrated.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Hang on. Jonathan Woodgate has made 46 apearances for spurs since joining in Jan 2008 with his only major injury coming in the summer. I wouldn't call that injury prone.

 

[Coyboy]

This is hysterical rubbish. Absolute untruth. Woodgate has had injury problems but he has had no long or medium term knock here other than his injury in the summer of which he seems to have healed. He had a clean bill of health Saturday but Bassong was favoured. Is he now injury prone because he got a hamo?

King clearly has problems with his knee and is liable to pick up the odd knock. But he played 25 games last year, the same as Rio in the league. Why do I have to keep saying this? He is on course to repeat that this year unless Harry follows the absurd knee jerkers around here and retires him for one bad performance out of 50 flawless ones in the last few years.

I don't get the need for anger. King is fit. Woodgate is fit. Dawson is fit. What is the alternative, sell all three because two are 'injury prone' and seemingly more of a net loss than benefit (that's wisdom) and sell the other because he is shit leaving us with an injured Bassong, Corluka, Huddlestone and Dervite. Addmitedly we cannot get players of Woodgate or King's calibre so we are lucky as it is. They both played enough games together last season to put us on the verge of breaking records and yet now they are a liability.

Mind boggling, it's literally throwing toys out of pram mentality.

 

[WhiteStripe]

See my post in the Bassong injury thread that I just wrote Dougs...I totally agree :up:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1606227&postcount=14

 

[Bing]

If people are arguing against the fact that King and Woody are injury prone there is no point in carrying on the debate.

Nobodies going to change their mind here....Im just amazed people still belief everything is rosey with King and Woody.

I mean do people really think they are players we can build a solid defence with who we can rely on week in week out like united with Ferd/Vid and Chelsea with Carv/Terry?

If so why has'nt it happened yet?

 

[WhiteStripe]

If people are arguing against the fact that King and Woody are injury prone there is no point in carrying on the debate.

Nobodies going to change their mind here....Im just amazed people still belief everything is rosey with King and Woody.

I mean do people really think they are players we can build a solid defence with who we can rely on week in week out like united with Ferd/Vid and Chelsea with Carv/Terry?

If so why has'nt it happened yet?

Ferdinand...peeerrrrllleeeeaassssseeee :roll:

 

[Spurs_Bear]

If people are arguing against the fact that King and Woody are injury prone there is no point in carrying on the debate.

Nobodies going to change their mind here....Im just amazed people still belief everything is rosey with King and Woody.

I mean do people really think they are players we can build a solid defence with who we can rely on week in week out like united with Ferd/Vid and Chelsea with Carv/Terry?

If so why has'nt it happened yet?

The bit in bold is true, but only because yourself and Wexford are talking absolute shite.

 

[Coyboy]

No one is saying things are rosey. There is a shade of grey. That shade of grey is on the one hand yes Woodgate and King have had and on occasion do have injury problems. That isn't disputed. The other side of the coin, is that their injury problems do not harm us more than they help us; because they are excelletn players who win us games and who do not miss as many games as people think, proven by numerical fact.

What can we do to reconcile this problem? Well, signing players like Bassong who can learn from both until the indefinite time arises when either/or JW or LK have to call it day and take over is a good step; so is having players like Dawson who are more than happy to step in when needed and have exemplary attitudes; and signing and nurturing younger talent to satsify a more long term aim- see Dervite and TAH.

What is the alternative? Tell Woody and King to do one and start from scratch? That for me would not only be premature and counter-productive but would be cutting off one's nose to spite face. It just isn't necessary right now. If the time comes when the player, physio staff and manager have to make a decison then it will be topical. Until that time it is moanin for moaning's sake.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

The bit in bold is true, but only because yourself and Wexford are talking absolute shite.

No one is saying things are rosey. There is a shade of grey. That shade of grey is on the one hand yes Woodgate and King have had and on occasion do have injury problems. That isn't disputed. The other side of the coin, is that their injury problems do not harm us more than they help us; because they are excelletn players who win us games and who do not miss as many games as people think, proven by numerical fact.

What can we do to reconcile this problem? Well, signing players like Bassong who can learn from both until the indefinite time arises when either/or JW or LK have to call it day and take over is a good step; so is having players like Dawson who are more than happy to step in when needed and have exemplary attitudes; and signing and nurturing younger talent to satsify a more long term aim- see Dervite and TAH.

What is the alternative? Tell Woody and King to do one and start from scratch? That for me would not only be premature and counter-productive but would be cutting off one's nose to spite face. It just isn't necessary right now. If the time comes when the player, physio staff and manager have to make a decison then it will be topical. Until that time it is moanin for moaning's sake.

Thanks for your thoughtful response CoyBoy - I am willing to go along, some of the way with that!

Spurs_Bear..........er, thanks

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Thanks for your thoughtful response CoyBoy - I am willing to go along, some of the way with that!

Spurs_Bear..........er, thanks

You're welcome mate...:razz:

 

[StartingPrice]

Can't help but feel that Triks is right, but also the critics of Triks.

Stoke was a better performance but a worse result. The Goon game was humiliatingly embarrassing. But we learn by our mistakes, and sometimes the most crushing mistakes are the ones that truly take us forward (leet's hope that's true and not wishy-washy clap-trap:shrug.

Anyway, I hope to be right, but I did say last season that Ledders is a truly immesnse natural defender, but given that he obviously never will recover maybe it was time to bite the bullet...maybies keep him as cover and encourage him into a coaching and mentoring role (not sure if he's except it but it ain't working folks:violin. Him and Woody should be a formidable performance, but Woody must stay fit, and maybies it is time to try him with a partner that can form the backbone of the team for a few years to come (but only if he can stay fit).

And, you Dawson knockers (ooeeer missus): he is our fourth choice central defender and as such he is an exceptional fourth choice. But, you Dawson lovers: he ain't ever gonna be a first-team regular, for all his exuberance.

COYS Now, let's practice staring at goats, and then group-concentrate on Ledders knees:up: