"Pesrpective" from COYS

[ShelfSide18]

I wouldn't be quite so pessimistic of our chances up there! But it is a toughie whatever team they turn out.

I suppose it's better to get them in an earlier round than at Wembley though.

 

[Coyboy]

man u away in cc!

I know but I fail to see how getting them is worse than losing to Arsenal. It makes no sense.

 

[PT]

The good news re persistent injuries to key players and the impact it has had regarding our performances against the top four teams, is that Harry has been able to identify wekanesses or lack of strength in the squad and only has eight weeks until he can bring in reinforcements to cement our second half push on European places.

I have a feeling that Sandro is done and I also think we'll see one in and one out from our front four - ie Pav gone to preserve his Interntional suad status and another target man coming in.

 

[DC_Boy]

I wouldn't be quite so pessimistic of our chances up there! But it is a toughie whatever team they turn out.

I suppose it's better to get them in an earlier round than at Wembley though.

Hi SS18 - fair play to your optimism, but history tells me otherwise

and I'd far far rather play them again at wembley than at OT at the qtr final stage

they'd put out a stronger side at wembley than in the qtr's v us - but the double downer of playing at OT and the stress that playing midweek will have on us too (at wembley we'd have the week to prepare, not being in Europe) will hurt us

we probably won't put out our full 'first XI' - we have the trip to OT sandwiched between trips to villa and everton

it's simply a killer, killer draw

if people want to understand my stance on this a little more - i don't think we'll make top 4 so trophies are more important to me than any one particular lge defeat especially an expected one like at Arsenal (the stoke defeat galled me far more than sat too)

also arsenal don't particularly bother me as a club never have done much

to give an example - i hated it when they beat us in 69 in the lge cup semis - because that deprived us of wembley - but when i was the lane two years later to see them win the title there - it didn't have anywhere near the same effect - we still ended up 3rd - it was just arsenal won the lge not leeds who i disliked equally

yes i wanted pool to beat them in the final the following sat so they didn't do the double - and i'd have rather we beat them on that title-winning night - but i'd have swapped the lge cup win for stopping them winning the title, no danger

 

[ShelfSide18]

I know but I fail to see how getting them is worse than losing to Arsenal. It makes no sense.

It's not worse but I think the point is losing to Man Utd would be worse in the long run, maybe not as instantly depressing as yesterday but the CC is a genuine chance for silverware and we've got a bitch of an away draw. I wouldn't say worse, because we haven't played them yet but it was a bad footnote to a pretty awful day.

It seems though many people on here seem to have written off our league season already though!

 

[Coyboy]

I think you know what he's saying. The CC is a genuine chance for us to win silverware and now we have a tough away draw.

If I'm sat at Wembley watching us lift the CC later this season I'm not going to be thinking about losing 3-0 to the Arse, as upsetting and depressing as it was. Especially as we might just have beaten them in the final!

We have to forget about yesterday asap, not read too much into it and go and beat Sunderland on saturday and get our season back on track.

Conversely, had we won yesterday or drawn would sane people be saying 'yea good result but it doesn't matter because we got United'. Of course not.

1. It's a fixture not a result, we can get a result if we have the right attitude.

2. Clearly they won't play the youths but they will rest players and play players like Welbeck and Gibson.

3. We would have got them at some point and/or Arsenal or Chelsea. I would rather get them now before the final when the prospect of winning is not so proximite.

4. We will have Modric, Lennon and Defoe back- at worst the last two if their injuries don't get worse.

5. If, as fans, you take the attitude that getting a certain team is worse than losing a game or isn considered even akin to a game lost you can't complain when the team seems to exhibit similar defeatist mentality.

Yes, I would rather have got Pompey or Blackburn but with Arsenal and Chelsea- who for me are playing better than even full strength United- it is hardly a cruel or disastrous draw. It is yet another challenge to which we should rise more bravely than yesterday.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Conversely, had we won yesterday or drawn would sane people be saying 'yea good result but it doesn't matter because we got United'. Of course not.

1. It's a fixture not a result, we can get a result if we have the right attitude.

2. Clearly they won't play the youths but they will rest players and play players like Welbeck and Gibson.

3. We would have got them at some point and/or Arsenal or Chelsea. I would rather get them now before the final when the prospect of winning is not so proximite.

4. We will have Modric, Lennon and Defoe back- at worst the last two if their injuries don't get worse.

5. If, as fans, you take the attitude that getting a certain team is worse than losing a game or isn considered even akin to a game lost you can't complain when the team seems to exhibit similar defeatist mentality.

Yes, I would rather have got Pompey or Blackburn but with Arsenal and Chelsea- who for me are playing better than even full strength United- it is hardly a cruel or disastrous draw. It is yet another challenge to which we should rise more bravely than yesterday.

I don't disagree with you, I think DC's being overly pessimistic on the matter!

I think I'm gonna go to Old Trafford so we better bloody win!

 

[Coyboy]

I immediately intended to go and then realised the money and possible late night would make it tricky. I am sure it would be on TV.

Incidentally, this was United's team at Barnsely: (clearly it will be somewhat stronger but I doubt it will be as full strength as a Wembley line up was last year or would be this)

Foster; Neville, Evans, Brown, Fabio; Welbeck (Tosic 54), Anderson, Rafael, Obertan; Macheda, Owen (DeLaet 65).

I bet there are a few in there or no one has even heard of.

 

[DC_Boy]

I may well be overdoing the pessimissm- and it goes without saying I hope the optimists on here are right

but that draw absolutely sickened me - utd away again - what is that three times in the last three seasons- it's simply not right and borders on me starting to think things are fixed against us- I'm resisting that thought but I really don't like what's happening to us in these draws

 

[ShelfSide18]

I immediately intended to go and then realised the money and possible late night would make it tricky. I am sure it would be on TV.

Incidentally, this was United's team at Barnsely: (clearly it will be somewhat stronger but I doubt it will be as full strength as a Wembley line up was last year or would be this)

Foster; Neville, Evans, Brown, Fabio; Welbeck (Tosic 54), Anderson, Rafael, Obertan; Macheda, Owen (DeLaet 65).

I bet there are a few in there or no one has even heard of.

More than beatable, although falling in between Everton and Villa away is far from ideal. but if we want to be the club we all want it to be we must view these games as a challenge. It potentially could be a wonderful week, lets hope the players believe they can win all 3 games - because they can.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I may well be overdoing the pessimissm- and it goes without saying I hope the optimists on here are right

but that draw absolutely sickened me - utd away again - what is that three times in the last three seasons- it's simply not right and borders on me starting to think things are fixed against us- I'm resisting that thought but I really don't like what's happening to us in these draws

I must admit, I am getting used to drawing Man U away in the cup now!

 

[DC_Boy]

18 - but I'm not - I'm sick of them p****ing all over our field of dreams

but c'est la vie, que sera sera and all the rest of it

 

[ShelfSide18]

18 - but I'm not - I'm sick of them p****ing all over our field of dreams

but c'est la vie, que sera sera and all the rest of it

Whatever will be will be, we're going to Wem-ber-ley! (again)

 

[hybridsoldier]

where its not an impossibly game, where say Chelsea away would be alot tougher.

There are still proven guys like Neville, Owen, Brown and the like of Rafael, Welbeck, Macheda, Anderson and Evans are around the first team too.

The thing is Man U never throw games away, no matter what the XI its just Fergie's mentality.

Personally I think just the aura of Old Trafford and Man U gets alot of players mentally so I can see us losing. I feel also we could sneak it on pens but winning it in 90mins is unlikely

 

[DC_Boy]

Whatever will be will be, we're going to Wem-ber-ley! (again)

after we beat everton i really thought we were - not now though, not after the horror hallowe'en that was saturday

 

[dannythomas]

where its not an impossibly game, where say Chelsea away would be alot tougher.

There are still proven guys like Neville, Owen, Brown and the like of Rafael, Welbeck, Macheda, Anderson and Evans are around the first team too.

The thing is Man U never throw games away, no matter what the XI its just Fergie's mentality.

Personally I think just the aura of Old Trafford and Man U gets alot of players mentally so I can see us losing. I feel also we could sneak it on pens but winning it in 90mins is unlikely

There's no way we will win on pens- if it gets to that stage any misses they make will be retaken because Gomes moved and any that we score will be disallowed for encroachment.

 

[ShelfSide18]

There's no way we will win on pens- if it gets to that stage any misses they make will be retaken because Gomes moved and any that we score will be disallowed for encroachment.

I'd also like to see where Howard Webb is playing for them before I make any predictions!

 

[Bill_Oddie]

An interesting post by ebspurs from COYS:

Consider the following:

1)After 11 games we are 4th which once the games in hand are played is likely to mean we are at worst 6th
2) We have not been able to play our strongest team yet this season or our strongest back 4 which kept so many clean sheets last season
3) Not only have we suffered badly with injuries but we also have suffered injuries to a clutch of similar types of players ie 2/3 centre backs have been out for most of the season. We just start to get them back and then we lose the only players we have with creativity and pace in the squad at the same time
4) Our 1st choice keeper has also been injured for half the games and arguably our most influential player has been out for 7 of those 11 games
5) The opening fixtures show a significant imbalance when we compare our fixtures against the Sky 4 against our immediate competition ie

- Chelsea have only played Liverpool of the Sky 4 and yet have lost 2 games
- Man Utd have played Arsenal and Liverpool and have lost 2 games
- Arsenal have played only played Man U of the top 4 and have lost 2 games
- Liverpool have played Man U and Chelsea of the Sky 4 and have lost 5 games
- Tottenham have played all 4 of the Sky 4 and lost 4 games
- Man City have played 2 of the Sky 4 and lost 1 game
- Villa have played 2 of the Sky 4 and lost 2 games

This means that our next 8 games to reach the half way stage will be against teasm outside of the Sky 4 whilst you can see the rest of the teams have a minimum of 2 games each against the Sky 4 in the next 8 games.

We are now close to having our 1st team squad available and the challenge for us is to secure a lot of points in the coming weeks against the so called lesser teams.

So my Coys friends, imho given the injuries and imbalance in the fixtures imho we have not done too badly to be in the top 6 at this stage...

What do you think????

Firstly, I think his maths is a wee bit off. Teams in the top four only have to play six top four games a season while we have to play eight, so between now and the end of the season we have the same remaining as United and Liverpool.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

i would accept Man Utd, Chelsea & Arsenal poor defeats if we managed 3 points against Stoke, it would be 22 pts, 5 points behind the leader, and 3 points above 5th or 6th place Man City & Villa but both have one game in hand. That's could give us advantage, but with current form are behind them, and even just 1 point above Liverpool who had very worst start, so we should only blame ourselves for it, we missed it and the only now is to win the next 4-5 games ( more important vs Sunderland, Villa & Everton ), it is possible but difficult with Modric out, now we need to react now before finding ourselves 7th and trying to break the top six instead of the top four.

 

[Bulletspur]

true be that!!
although we have played all of the sky four and only lost 3!! (we beat liverpool remember!!)
i think a bit of perspective is needed after ydays result... yeh we got beat but think we did ok until the first goal and then the second goal killed us, but not through magical play but through our own mistakes... we need to put the result behind us and we are still fourth, we have two home league games coming up which are very much winable we will have defoe coming back in and our solid defence of last season should be back for those games...

keep the faith people!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he was referring to the fact that although we played all 4 of the Sky4, we lost 4 overall. ie Manu, Arsenal, Chelsea and Stoke.