Peter Crouch signs for Spurs

[danielneeds]

What an overated aberration this bloke is, Let's hope a big club comes in and offers him bigger wages than ourselves, But if a club with any sort of ambition comes in for Crouch I'd be very suprised.

Give it a rest. You have been saying the same thing for over 10 pages now. We get it, you don't rate him...

 

[davidmatzdorf]

It really is all about how he looks, this unreasonable blindness to how Crouch actually plays, as opposed to how people imagine that he plays. If you look at his clips, you see that he has a long history of scoring really quite spectacular goals - Keane-style goals, flashy goals, goals out of nothing. He's not especially prolific, but neither was Keane, except when he played with Berbatov.

But he manages to make those exceptionally skilful bits of football look gawky and inelegant, because of his body type, so people discount his ability. As I said, it's quite unreasonable and it's also a sign of not observing accurately or carefully.

Here is something that bemuses me. When we consider Emile Heskey (exceptional power, strength, good speed), Jermaine Jenas (unusual fitness and stamina), Aaron Lennon (exceptional speed), David James (fantastic reflexes and agility) or Michael Owen (astonishing acceleration, as a young player at least), we are admiring these players for things that they can do mainly as a result of their body type, their genetic advantages. They also have footballing skill, but what we are most impressed at is their personally exceptional attributes and they are the product of their inheritance.

For some reason, Peter Crouch doesn't get the benefit of this. He's called a "freak" and it is implied that he can play football only because he's very tall. In reality, he's an effective footballer for exactly the same reasons as the other players listed above, because he started with some genetic advantages and had the intelligence and determination to put them to use on the football pitch, acquiring the skills needed to be an international footballer along the way. Crouch's height is an advantage. Heskey's power is an advantage, as are Lennon's pace and Jenas' inexhaustible running. So why do we refuse to credit Crouch for the way he has developed his abilities?

Because he looks weird. That's really the only reason. All of the accusations about the kind of football his teams play and the kind of goals he scores are just factually incorrect. They are the product of lack of observation, fuelled by prejudice.

..........or he's not prepared to take risks on potentially World class players and would rather have mediocre/good players who he knows will put in a shift, and are somewhat effective in this league, but are nothing special. Our competition for Crouch was Fulham and Sunderland. That to me speaks volumes

There's a persuasive argument that the right thing for our club right now is not to "take risks on potentially world class players". We already have a high quality squad. It has a couple of gaps in it. We need to fill those gaps with players who can perform, not hope to sign the annual, mythical "one or two players who can take us to the next level". What we need to take us to the next level is a well-coached, organised and united team.

It is not that I wanted any other striker - it is more that I don't want this one - AND do not, and never thought we needed another striker - We need LEFT sided players...

I'm surprised to see anyone still harping on about left-sided players. We have plenty of them - Assou-Ekotto, Bale, O'Hara, Modric and Lennon can play on the left and three of those are left-footed.

Most of us think that what we really lack is a certain kind of striker, someone who can hold the ball up until his teammates can join in an attack, also someone who can occupy two defenders in the box. Crouch is OK at the former and very good at the latter.

 

[Tottenham woody]

Give it a rest. You have been saying the same thing for over 10 pages now. We get it, you don't rate him...

Sorry I'm just clinging on to the hope that maybe Slouch is an SC member and by some freak of nature (snigger) He'll stumble across my posts and be so taken aback by the intense hatred I harbour for his footballing ability he'll do the honourable thing and join Fulham.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

The same Peter Crouch who is technically gifted, and can link well with the smaller, more nimble, skilful players. Like he's done with JD at Portsmouth and England, and linking the play with the likes of Walcott, SWP, Joe Cole at International Level.

Look the guy is okay alright, we all know he is an "average" player - he has never really been the first choice striker anywhere....Pool, England, even Pompy, Defoe was first choice. And lets not forget he wasn't our first transfer choice either!!

I think a lot of people are PO'd by the message it sends - it looks like we are going for second best, we couldn't get X player, so we will settle for Crouch...It just shows a distict lack of ambition.

I said to a mate of mine at Lunch Crouch is coming to Spurs and he said well are you not pleased - I said not really is is only an average player - and he's response, yer but he is good enough for Spurs - AND THAT is it in a nutshell - he is good enough for Spurs, I just thought we had more ambition.

I said all along Harry was the man to get us out of the relegation scrap, but no more than that - he is and will alaways be that type of manager - getting out of tight spots, weeling and dealing with no money - but as a manager to take Spurs forward, I just don't think so - and the rouch signing would for me prove I was right...

Oh and Talking about him fitting in the team - well if we brought him in on the back of his partnership with Defoe at pompy - that makes them number 1 and 2 - where does that leave keane in all this, let alone Pav....and of course poor ole bent gets shafted by us, yet again.

 

[scat1620]

It really is all about how he looks, this unreasonable blindness to how Crouch actually plays, as opposed to how people imagine that he plays. If you look at his clips, you see that he has a long history of scoring really quite spectacular goals - Keane-style goals, flashy goals, goals out of nothing. He's not especially prolific, but neither was Keane, except when he played with Berbatov.

But he manages to make those exceptionally skilful bits of football look gawky and inelegant, because of his body type, so people discount his ability. As I said, it's quite unreasonable and it's also a sign of not observing accurately or carefully.

Here is something that bemuses me. When we consider Emile Heskey (exceptional power, strength, good speed), Jermaine Jenas (unusual fitness and stamina), Aaron Lennon (exceptional speed), David James (fantastic reflexes and agility) or Michael Owen (astonishing acceleration, as a young player at least), we are admiring these players for things that they can do mainly as a result of their body type, their genetic advantages. They also have footballing skill, but what we are most impressed at is their personally exceptional attributes and they are the product of their inheritance.

For some reason, Peter Crouch doesn't get the benefit of this. He's called a "freak" and it is implied that he can play football only because he's very tall. In reality, he's an effective footballer for exactly the same reasons as the other players listed above, because he started with some genetic advantages and had the intelligence and determination to put them to use on the football pitch, acquiring the skills needed to be an international footballer along the way. Crouch's height is an advantage. Heskey's power is an advantage, as are Lennon's pace and Jenas' inexhaustible running. So why do we refuse to credit Crouch for the way he has developed his abilities?

Because he looks weird. That's really the only reason. All of the accusations about the kind of football his teams play and the kind of goals he scores are just factually incorrect. They are the product of lack of observation, fuelled by prejudice.



There's a persuasive argument that the right thing for our club right now is not to "take risks on potentially world class players". We already have a high quality squad. It has a couple of gaps in it. We need to fill those gaps with players who can perform, not hope to sign the annual, mythical "one or two players who can take us to the next level". What we need to take us to the next level is a well-coached, organised and united team.



I'm surprised to see anyone still harping on about left-sided players. We have plenty of them - Assou-Ekotto, Bale, O'Hara, Modric and Lennon can play on the left and three of those are left-footed.

Most of us think that what we really lack is a certain kind of striker, someone who can hold the ball up until his teammates can join in an attack, also someone who can occupy two defenders in the box. Crouch is OK at the former and very good at the latter.

:clap:

The usual suspects won't listen to any of that and will just continue as normal, but well done for posting that excellent equivalent of leading a horse to water.

 

[Tottenham woody]

It's not about how he looks, how he looks makes me laugh if anything.

He's not a good player, he's weak, despite having 'good feet for a big man' he only assisted 5 goals last season and that was probably the best season he's ever had in the Prem. Doesn't bode well does it?

The only way Couch can be a dominant influence in the team is if you get him peeling off towards the back post and ping balls at him from all areas of the pitch and that's not the football I like to see played.

He's not good on the ball! He's good on the ball 'for a big man' in other words you'd think because of his gangley frame he wouldn't be able to play football for shit but he can, but if he was avreage size no-one would be saying what good feet he has because it's not true, he has good feet for a big man not good feet for a premiership footballer.

 

[Tottenham woody]

Pisses me off people people bringing up internationals, he's shit for England too, he ruins our stlye when he plays! No-way will capello start the WC with Crouch up front, why you ask? Because Capello know's what he';s doing that's wy.

Crouch is a great international player.......if you're playing Jamacia or Iceland that is, If you're playing a team with strong defenders who can head the ball he ends up becoming more a hinderence than a help.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

It's not about how he looks, how he looks makes me laugh if anything.

He's not a good player, he's weak, despite having 'good feet for a big man' he only assisted 5 goals last season and that was probably the best season he's ever had in the Prem. Doesn't bode well does it?

The only way Couch can be a dominant influence in the team is if you get him peeling off towards the back post and ping balls at him from all areas of the pitch and that's not the football I like to see played.

He's not good on the ball! He's good on the ball 'for a big man' in other words you'd think because of his gangley frame he wouldn't be able to play football for shit but he can, but if he was avreage size no-one would be saying what good feet he has because it's not true, he has good feet for a big man not good feet for a premiership footballer.

Spot on mate!:clap:

 

[danielneeds]

It really is all about how he looks, this unreasonable blindness to how Crouch actually plays, as opposed to how people imagine that he plays. If you look at his clips, you see that he has a long history of scoring really quite spectacular goals - Keane-style goals, flashy goals, goals out of nothing. He's not especially prolific, but neither was Keane, except when he played with Berbatov.

But he manages to make those exceptionally skilful bits of football look gawky and inelegant, because of his body type, so people discount his ability. As I said, it's quite unreasonable and it's also a sign of not observing accurately or carefully.


Most of us think that what we really lack is a certain kind of striker, someone who can hold the ball up until his teammates can join in an attack, also someone who can occupy two defenders in the box. Crouch is OK at the former and very good at the latter.

Great post, unfortunately I don't think those who crave the Huntelaars of this world without seeing that they don't fill the gap in our squad, will change their opinion.

One other positive regarding Crouch is, if we stick him on the near post when defending corners, we really shouldn't have a conceeding set pieces problem as in years gone by.

 

[brasil_spur]

Another plus point i'd like to put forward about Crouch is that he seems to be a fun guy who gets on well with people and will help build up our team moral.

I think having a team who all get on well was a large part of Jol's success with us and Harry has certainly brought that back after it went missing with Ramos.

Another positive to add to the list of reasons why we should sign Crouch IMO.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Great post, unfortunately I don't think those who crave the Huntelaars of this world without seeing that they don't fill the gap in our squad, will change their opinion.

One other positive regarding Crouch is, if we stick him on the near post when defending corners, we really shouldn't have a conceeding set pieces problem as in years gone by.

Look, (for me anyhow) - it is not about how he looks, his style, he's joke persona in the media - it comes down to RAW stat's - he is NOT a prolific goal scorer (he's record is worse than any of our current strikers, including Pav) In his career, he is a 1 in 3 man - not even average if you ask me. And then there is his so called assist rate, he had a great season at pompy and got just 5 assists - again, less than average - if you look back at all he's stats over the years you will come to see the cold hard facts - as all the 6 clubs in 6 years have seen - at the end of the day, this guy is average at best.....

If that is the extent of Harry's ambitions for us this year, so be it I guess, at least we now know the game plan..........:bs:

 

[brasil_spur]

Look, (for me anyhow) - it is not about how he looks, his style, he's joke persona in the media - it comes down to RAW stat's - he is NOT a prolific goal scorer (he's record is worse than any of our current strikers, including Pav) In his career, he is a 1 in 3 man - not even average if you ask me. And then there is his so called assist rate, he had a great season at pompy and got just 5 assists - again, less than average - if you look back at all he's stats over the years you will come to see the cold hard facts - as all the 6 clubs in 6 years have seen - at the end of the day, this guy is average at best.....

If that is the extent of Harry's ambitions for us this year, so be it I guess, at least we now know the game plan..........:bs:

Here's some stats lifted from my thread in Spurs Chat. That makes him more prolific at Liverpool and Pompey than Bent has been at Spurs in two seasons.

Also puts him very close to Defoe, especially when you consider a large number of Defoe's goals for Pompey (where his strike rate was better) where when he was playing alongside Crouch.

If Crouch can bring slightly more goals than Bent and also makes Defoe's goal rate go up by 50% then i'd say he's well worth replacing Bent with.

Keane
Spurs - 112 goals in 268 games = 0.42 goals per game ration

Pavlyuchenko
Spartak - 87 goals in 188 games = 0.46 goals per game ratio
Spurs - 14 goals in 32 games = 0.44 goals per game ratio

Defoe
Spurs - 46 goals in 147 games = 0.31 goals per game ratio
Pompey - 14 goals in 30 games = 0.47 goals per game ratio

Bent
Charlton - 37 goals in 79 games = 0.47 goals per game ratio
Spurs - 24 goals in 77 games = 0.31 goals per game ratio

Crouch
Liverpool - 42 goals in 124 games = 0.34 goals per game ratio
Pompey - 16 goals in 41 games = 0.39 goals per game ratio

Finally only two of those 6 clubs could in anyway be considered a step down or sideways, and a certain Mr Robbie Keane had done 5 clubs in 5 years when he joined us.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Here's some stats lifted from my thread in Spurs Chat. That makes him more prolific at Liverpool and Pompey than Bent has been at Spurs in two seasons.

Also puts him very close to Defoe, especially when you consider a large number of Defoe's goals for Pompey (where his strike rate was better) where when he was playing alongside Crouch.

If Crouch can bring slightly more goals than Bent and also makes Defoe's goal rate go up by 50% then i'd say he's well worth replacing Bent with.

Keane
Spurs - 112 goals in 268 games = 0.42 goals per game ration

Pavlyuchenko
Spartak - 87 goals in 188 games = 0.46 goals per game ratio
Spurs - 14 goals in 32 games = 0.44 goals per game ratio

Defoe
Spurs - 46 goals in 147 games = 0.31 goals per game ratio
Pompey - 14 goals in 30 games = 0.47 goals per game ratio

Bent
Charlton - 37 goals in 79 games = 0.47 goals per game ratio
Spurs - 24 goals in 77 games = 0.31 goals per game ratio

Crouch
Liverpool - 42 goals in 124 games = 0.34 goals per game ratio
Pompey - 16 goals in 41 games = 0.39 goals per game ratio

Finally only two of those 6 clubs could in anyway be considered a step down or sideways, and a certain Mr Robbie Keane had done 5 clubs in 5 years when he joined us.

Sorry I wasn't picking little snippets of a players career here and there - I just gave the facts of the lads whole career - It is how consistent he is - it talks about potential as well.

Regardless, all the stats still say one thing, Mr Average - so I guess we are team average - so therefore we should finish mid table, won't that be a surprise for us......

Ambition:shake:

 

[riversmonkey]

Then who do you suggest we sign instead Wexford?

Would you prefer Negredo over Crouch?

 

[barry]

Meh, think what you want. I won't lose any sleep over it.

Your the one who said Fulham are interested. When I ask for proof, you either produce articles that are totally unrelated or from February. Then you have the temerity to accuse me of not being thorough.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Ambition:shake:

You've mentioned [lack of] ambition several times. My ambition for Tottenham this season is that Harry should develop our side into a welded-together team that over-performs, as O'Neill has done at Villa and Moyes has done at Everton, and not like the disjointed collection of under-performing so-called "stars" that have been assembled at Tottenham since Jol was sacked.

I'm not really bothered about what our signings symbolise to the world at large, nor about what the press reckons constitutes a "Redknapp style" deal. I'm interested in what will make our team start ticking as a team and adding up to more than the sum of its parts.

I can't see how Huntelaar does this for us - he doesn't have the right mix of skills. I've never seen Negredo - his reputation makes him sound like the kind of striker we want, but he's never played in this country. The third option is Crouch.

I've seen a lot of Crouch. I can see ways that a lot of our players will play better and score more goals with Peter Crouch on the pitch, including Modric, Lennon, Keane, Jenas, Huddlestone and especially Defoe. If I'm right, whether Crouch represents the kind of player who will make the world sit up and take notice of the mighty, ambitious Spurs becomes ever so unimportant.

Scoring more goals and winning matches is what we want to do and I think we'll get more points next year with Crouch than we will if we don't sign an new striker. We need a tall striker. I think Crouch can fill that role in our team.

 

[barry]

It really is all about how he looks, this unreasonable blindness to how Crouch actually plays, as opposed to how people imagine that he plays. If you look at his clips, you see that he has a long history of scoring really quite spectacular goals - Keane-style goals, flashy goals, goals out of nothing. He's not especially prolific, but neither was Keane, except when he played with Berbatov.

But he manages to make those exceptionally skilful bits of football look gawky and inelegant, because of his body type, so people discount his ability. As I said, it's quite unreasonable and it's also a sign of not observing accurately or carefully.

Here is something that bemuses me. When we consider Emile Heskey (exceptional power, strength, good speed), Jermaine Jenas (unusual fitness and stamina), Aaron Lennon (exceptional speed), David James (fantastic reflexes and agility) or Michael Owen (astonishing acceleration, as a young player at least), we are admiring these players for things that they can do mainly as a result of their body type, their genetic advantages. They also have footballing skill, but what we are most impressed at is their personally exceptional attributes and they are the product of their inheritance.

For some reason, Peter Crouch doesn't get the benefit of this. He's called a "freak" and it is implied that he can play football only because he's very tall. In reality, he's an effective footballer for exactly the same reasons as the other players listed above, because he started with some genetic advantages and had the intelligence and determination to put them to use on the football pitch, acquiring the skills needed to be an international footballer along the way. Crouch's height is an advantage. Heskey's power is an advantage, as are Lennon's pace and Jenas' inexhaustible running. So why do we refuse to credit Crouch for the way he has developed his abilities?

Because he looks weird. That's really the only reason. All of the accusations about the kind of football his teams play and the kind of goals he scores are just factually incorrect. They are the product of lack of observation, fuelled by prejudice.



There's a persuasive argument that the right thing for our club right now is not to "take risks on potentially world class players". We already have a high quality squad. It has a couple of gaps in it. We need to fill those gaps with players who can perform, not hope to sign the annual, mythical "one or two players who can take us to the next level". What we need to take us to the next level is a well-coached, organised and united team.



I'm surprised to see anyone still harping on about left-sided players. We have plenty of them - Assou-Ekotto, Bale, O'Hara, Modric and Lennon can play on the left and three of those are left-footed.

Most of us think that what we really lack is a certain kind of striker, someone who can hold the ball up until his teammates can join in an attack, also someone who can occupy two defenders in the box. Crouch is OK at the former and very good at the latter.

You're very presumptive.

 

[danielneeds]

Look, (for me anyhow) - it is not about how he looks, his style, he's joke persona in the media - it comes down to RAW stat's - he is NOT a prolific goal scorer (he's record is worse than any of our current strikers, including Pav) In his career, he is a 1 in 3 man - not even average if you ask me. And then there is his so called assist rate, he had a great season at pompy and got just 5 assists - again, less than average - if you look back at all he's stats over the years you will come to see the cold hard facts - as all the 6 clubs in 6 years have seen - at the end of the day, this guy is average at best.....

If that is the extent of Harry's ambitions for us this year, so be it I guess, at least we now know the game plan..........:bs:

Ambition or not, he is a player that will hopefully enable Keane and Defoe to score shedloads.

 

[whl_yid1982]

Why are so many people anti crouch? He's the idea partner for Defoe as seen at pompey and would offer a much better link/target man than anyone else currently at the club.

I would be happy with Crouchy and will support him next season, if it is indeed true then i will be singing his name from the terraces and supporting him like anyother spurs player.

I think too many of you have been drawn in by these Huntleaar/ RVN/ Negredo links, just because an ITK passes this on as info doesn't necessarily mean it will happen. I've learnt over the years as a result of other similar big name links not to believe ITK unless it's on the official site, names like rivaldo, villa, torres, arshavin etc etc have all been supposed previous 'done deals' only for nothing to materialise.

Best ITK sources available = www.spurs.co.uk FACT

 

[van_Pommel]

Pav's better than Crouch, fact.