PL sponsorship ban

[Trix]

Of course Boris won’t intervene, too much money being funnelled into individual and party coffers, as I’ve said before on a few threads let’s not piss off the oil producers….

This problem isn't the governments fault. Not that i'm surprised that's what it's been turned into, as more and more football related threads seem to be turning that way on here. The issue is with the Premier league and what factors they use to determine what is a fit and proper person is as far as being able to own a football team.

It's difficult though because what we as football fans are objecting to is two separate issues. Firstly we are objecting to Newcastle's new owners on moral grounds. They clearly have the money required and as far as the relevant regulations are concerned it's been obtained legally. It's not the role of the PL to take political sides and decide which side of the moral line an owner sits. We all know what they do and how they behave but until they are taken to task for it and it's proved they've broken laws what can they do.


The second issue we are up in arms about is different though. It's bankrolling the club and financially doping it to the point it's performance on the field is far beyond the club's natural position. This is hardly a new issue though, and has been happening for decades and not always by foreign owners. It's exactly what Jack Walker did with Blackburn 25 years ago for instance, yet no one seemed to kick off about that. This is easy to stop though. FFP needs a thorough rework in order to stop this happening and this imo is the first step to making this work. There are many in football that believe this takeover will be good for the game long term as clubs on the whole including the power houses(for once) are all on the same page. The likes of Yanited and Liverpool have in the past for instance been against many suggestions that will limit spending, that is changing though as they see their long term dominance dwindling with every club taken over by multi billionaires.

So to summarise yes, Boris is a ****. But this is not his fault, it's not his problem to solve and nor is it his place to get involved on either side of the coin. This is down to the football authorities to get right, no one else. They have put these regulations in place and they aren't fair. They need to be reformed and then they need to be enforced. Now is the time when they have the backing of the rest of the PL, and also the vast majority of fan's.

lets see how far they are willing to run with it.

 

[Delboy75]

It just unbelievably difficult at where the line is with “ relationship “. If someone is a friend of Jamie Reuben is that a relationship ? Gonna be very tough to enforce even if get it permanently passed. And as said I’m sure there’s lots of ways round it.

 

[PLTuck]

When do City's sponsorships run until?

I'm guessing that will be when this kicks in for them, or I am hoping that's when they have to find a new sponsor

I think it was a 10 year deal IIRC, and I can't remember exactly when it was done. 3 or 4 years ago?

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

This problem isn't the governments fault. Not that i'm surprised that's what it's been turned into, as more and more football related threads seem to be turning that way on here. The issue is with the Premier league and what factors they use to determine what is a fit and proper person is as far as being able to own a football team.

It's difficult though because what we as football fans are objecting to is two separate issues. Firstly we are objecting to Newcastle's new owners on moral grounds. They clearly have the money required and as far as the relevant regulations are concerned it's been obtained legally. It's not the role of the PL to take political sides and decide which side of the moral line an owner sits. We all know what they do and how they behave but until they are taken to task for it and it's proved they've broken laws what can they do.


The second issue we are up in arms about is different though. It's bankrolling the club and financially doping it to the point it's performance on the field is far beyond the club's natural position. This is hardly a new issue though, and has been happening for decades and not always by foreign owners. It's exactly what Jack Walker did with Blackburn 25 years ago for instance, yet no one seemed to kick off about that. This is easy to stop though. FFP needs a thorough rework in order to stop this happening and this imo is the first step to making this work. There are many in football that believe this takeover will be good for the game long term as clubs on the whole including the power houses(for once) are all on the same page. The likes of Yanited and Liverpool have in the past for instance been against many suggestions that will limit spending, that is changing though as they see their long term dominance dwindling with every club taken over by multi billionaires.

So to summarise yes, Boris is a ****. But this is not his fault, it's not his problem to solve and nor is it his place to get involved on either side of the coin. This is down to the football authorities to get right, no one else. They have put these regulations in place and they aren't fair. They need to be reformed and then they need to be enforced. Now is the time when they have the backing of the rest of the PL, and also the vast majority of fan's.

lets see how far they are willing to run with it.

Fair points, though to contextualise if you hadn't seen this at the time.

Boris Johnson intervened in Newcastle United takeover after lobbying by Saudi crown prince

Boris Johnson asked a senior aide to look into a proposed takeover of Newcastle United by Saudi investors after he was privately lobbied by Mohammed bin Salman,

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[spursfan77]

I think the PL themselves will be in favour of it. The last thing they want is another set of prolonged legal entanglements like Man City currently have them bogged down in.

 

[spursfan77]

Brady the main driver apparently. Bet levy was right by her side haha.

Her comments in her Sun column the other Friday went largely unnoticed by the media but you could tell she was majorly pissed off. The Saudis were probably who her and dildo bros were targeting to buy West Ham off of them I am assuming, hence their annoyance!?!?

 

[Delboy75]

Looks like Saudis buying Inter now literally making their own super league.

 

[Trix]

Fair points, though to contextualise if you hadn't seen this at the time.

Boris Johnson intervened in Newcastle United takeover after lobbying by Saudi crown prince

Boris Johnson asked a senior aide to look into a proposed takeover of Newcastle United by Saudi investors after he was privately lobbied by Mohammed bin Salman,

www.thetimes.co.uk

I'm not saying he hasn't, I don't know if he has or not. Not everything that goes to press is true.

I'm saying he shouldn't. It's none of his business quite frankly, and he should have zero say in the matter either way.

 

[Spursmatty87]

Looks like Saudis buying Inter now literally making their own super league.

Wouldn’t it be funny after all this Newcastle just became inters feeder club.

 

[spursfan77]

Looks like Saudis buying Inter now literally making their own super league.

Apparently that’s been in the pipe work for a while. Hedging their bets I reckon.

 

[Trix]

Wouldn’t it be funny after all this Newcastle just became inters feeder club.

You think that's the way round it would end up? I mean Serie A is a big league, but the pinnacle as far as the watching world is concerned is the Prem. Lets see how it ends up but Newcastle signing top players from Inter for peanuts would be one way round FFP for sure.

 

[Wig]

Wouldn’t it be funny after all this Newcastle just became inters feeder club.

I just can't picture Jonjo Shelvey in an Inter shirt

 

[chrissivad]

If they buy Inter and can set their own price on sponsorship, they could pay inflated prices for Newcastle players, meaning they can pump cash into both

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

I'm not saying he hasn't, I don't know if he has or not. Not everything that goes to press is true.

I'm saying he shouldn't. It's none of his business quite frankly, and he should have zero say in the matter either way.

I think we may be approaching different arguments on the same topic.

On your argument I think we more or less agree.

Should the UK Government step in and stop a take over where a Billionaire threatens to distort the sporting integrity of English football?

On those aspects alone, no. Not unless it's prepared to do so across the board as they have in Germany. The reality is the FA and PL were not designed to withstand challenges from financial and political strength of sovereign states. That can only really be dealt with by statute, or discrete Government intervention via the Department of trade and Industry.

The question there is on what grounds?

So my question is should Government allow a regime hostile to Western values to repurpose the influence of our cultural heritage in ways that oppose the UK's uniting principles (and we have fewer of them left these days) of democracy, justice, liberty?

The Geordies are already doing cartwheels to side with Saudi narratives in opposition to the US and UK over Khashoggi is the most prominent example. There will be others.

It took NUFC Pride all but 10 minutes to announce that the persecution of gays probably isn't that bad, and anyway might get better maybe. It's fake news. Other fans are just bitter. Blah Blah.

Its risks total capitulation of shared values and loyalties to your own country. Where would they stand if British troops were killed by Saudi funded militias in Yemen, or another country where we intervened.

It would be Whatabout. Whatabout. Whatabout.

The threat here is that the sportswashing at hand corrodes and divides British citizens under what principles it wants to live. It's propaganda infects us like a virus just beneath the surface enough for Sky Sports to act like it's somehow normal.

Autocracy can't be that bad, look at the shiny new training ground, stadium, team, and trophy cabinet they've given us? That's more than anyone else has ever done for us. They're all ganging up on us online.

Of course I'm using somewhat hyperbolic illustration here. I can't predict what happens to British society next, but it can't be good.

Strong countries would never allow this to happen. USA would never allow it. Nor would Germany, even without the 51% rule. KSA and Abu Dhabi would never let this happen within their countries..

I find it all rather disturbing.

 

[UncleBuck]

This problem isn't the governments fault. Not that i'm surprised that's what it's been turned into, as more and more football related threads seem to be turning that way on here. The issue is with the Premier league and what factors they use to determine what is a fit and proper person is as far as being able to own a football team.

It's difficult though because what we as football fans are objecting to is two separate issues. Firstly we are objecting to Newcastle's new owners on moral grounds. They clearly have the money required and as far as the relevant regulations are concerned it's been obtained legally. It's not the role of the PL to take political sides and decide which side of the moral line an owner sits. We all know what they do and how they behave but until they are taken to task for it and it's proved they've broken laws what can they do.


The second issue we are up in arms about is different though. It's bankrolling the club and financially doping it to the point it's performance on the field is far beyond the club's natural position. This is hardly a new issue though, and has been happening for decades and not always by foreign owners. It's exactly what Jack Walker did with Blackburn 25 years ago for instance, yet no one seemed to kick off about that. This is easy to stop though. FFP needs a thorough rework in order to stop this happening and this imo is the first step to making this work. There are many in football that believe this takeover will be good for the game long term as clubs on the whole including the power houses(for once) are all on the same page. The likes of Yanited and Liverpool have in the past for instance been against many suggestions that will limit spending, that is changing though as they see their long term dominance dwindling with every club taken over by multi billionaires.

So to summarise yes, Boris is a ****. But this is not his fault, it's not his problem to solve and nor is it his place to get involved on either side of the coin. This is down to the football authorities to get right, no one else. They have put these regulations in place and they aren't fair. They need to be reformed and then they need to be enforced. Now is the time when they have the backing of the rest of the PL, and also the vast majority of fan's.

lets see how far they are willing to run with it.

Totally agree, my point which in hindsight I didn’t really make was how quickly they got involved with the super league stuff yet we probably won’t hear anything out of them regarding this takeover, as you say it’s not got anything to do with them really especially if the PL have conducted their due diligence.
As much as every man and his dog were against the SL it just annoyed me as to how quickly the gov jumped in!

 

[GMI]

A bit more detail on this…

Premier League clubs v Newcastle: inside the stunning emergency vote

We explain the emergency rule change voted through, what could happen next and why the clubs are so worried

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Seems rather silly to me.

Its too easy to work around, if you Are Saudi Arabia - you simply lean on someone to sponsor the stadium/shirt at above market rates.

 

[spursfan77]

Seems rather silly to me.

Its too easy to work around, if you Are Saudi Arabia - you simply lean on someone to sponsor the stadium/shirt at above market rates.

Im sure there will be some checks and measures built into these rules when they hopefully come in. Man City really have pissed a lot of other clubs off. They don’t want a more powerful version of them in the league at all.

 

[Clockspur]

Politics and football s

I'm not saying he hasn't, I don't know if he has or not. Not everything that goes to press is true.

I'm saying he shouldn't. It's none of his business quite frankly, and he should have zero say in the matter either way

Politics and football should never mix - Boris should have remembered that in the summer when he intervened with the super league

 

[whitesocks]

Politics and football s

Politics and football should never mix - Boris should have remembered that in the summer when he intervened with the super league

Very strange that Boris supposedly OKed the superleague then had a sudden change of mind.
I just thought that he got a last minute call from murdoch, but surely boris would have been contacted by him right from the start, with instructions what to say.
It is possible murdoch was OK with the superleague - just a feckin' overpriced extended champions league that he had already dropped from sky, and no threat to the premier league or his coverage of it.

So who suddenly woke up to the events, with the influence to get boris to do a 180? I now suspect it was cat-woman. And when the superleague is rejigged in a few years, with newcastle getting an invite to the top table at our expense, I think all boris' objections will fade away.

PS And likewise Boris will put pressure on the clubs not to extend their sponsorship objection. He is at the heart of this mess.