- Dec 11, 2006
- 11
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I’m disliking this not because of your points but because of your tone.Sorry, but you simply aren’t understanding the issue here. You need to re-read my first paragraph. This isn’t about individuals using words with a certain intent. Several users have asked that people think about the language they use to describe black players. Nobody is saying any one individual is intentionally setting out to say something racist. It doesn’t mean that they aren’t doing it unconsciously. Nobody is saying that any one individual is deliberately reducing black players down to only their physical, and animalistic attributes. No one, I hope, is setting out to be a racist by calling Sarr, Udogie, or Bissouma as a beast. But people should probably have a think about why it’s almost always black players that are described in this way.
If people can’t see the problem with black players consistently being compared to brutish animals with only their physical prowess praised, while white players are consistently praised for their intelligence, guile and technique, then I’m not sure there’s anything more I can say about it.
That’s on you guys. Several people have explained this calmy and politely now. I’m going to take @MichaelPawson ’s attitude on this one now, you’ve all had this laid out for you now, if you want to carry on doing this then it’s on you, and I’ll consider that you’re now making a conscious choice to use this kind of language.
That’s the last I’ll say on it in this thread.
It’s great having such likeable players again isn’t it, like we had in peak Poch times, then the squad and player styles and personalities under Jose and Conte started to stagnate, now with Ange we have much needed fresh young exciting talents.I just love them so much
I’ve not praised anyone. I was stating a fact. Quite frankly, you’re clutching at straws and reaching a ludicrous conclusion to try and score points.You're talking about the connotations of the word beast when used to describe black players, and despite it being meant in a positive way it can be interpreted as racist. Commentators are frequently criticised for saying Saka/Rashford are such polite, calm, thoughtful young men when you talk to them. Also something they intend to be a positive thing but you wouldn't say that about white players (inference being you wouldn't expect black players to be polite). It's similar to what you've done.
He hasn’t read this thread yet.Another impressive performance from him, nothing seems to faze him at all.
Fair point!He hasn’t read this thread yet.
Thanks for your contributions ladies and gents. I now have a nice list of people whose posts and comments I will read with a certain amount of skepticism in future, as well as a short list of bigots that will go on permanent "ignore"
You're focusing on irrelevant semantics. You're supporting a narrative of calling out the use of a word which was meant to praise someone but has unintentional offensive connotations and you've done exactly the same thing. You can plead ignorance or or deny it but you've fallen into the exact same trap. I've frequently been the labelled by 'positive' racial stereotypes and it doesn't offend me, but if you're gonna call it out then you have to be consistent.I’ve not praised anyone. I was stating a fact. Quite frankly, you’re clutching at straws and reaching a ludicrous conclusion to try and score points.
Bigots? What a weapon you areThanks for your contributions ladies and gents. I now have a nice list of people whose posts and comments I will read with a certain amount of skepticism in future, as well as a short list of bigots that will go on permanent "ignore"
Again, no I haven’t. Go and read my post again, I didn’t praise or label anyone. If I’d made a post saying how wonderful it was that black posters were talking calmly you might have a point, as it is though, all I did was describe the tone of the conversation in order to highlight the fact that nobody was calling anyone out as being intentionally racist.You're focusing on irrelevant semantics. You're supporting a narrative of calling out the use of a word which was meant to praise someone but has unintentional offensive connotations and you've done exactly the same thing. You can plead ignorance or or deny it but you've fallen into the exact same trap. I've frequently been the labelled by 'positive' racial stereotypes and it doesn't offend me, but if you're gonna call it out then you have to be consistent.
Sorry, but you simply aren’t understanding the issue here. You need to re-read my first paragraph. This isn’t about individuals using words with a certain intent. Several users have asked that people think about the language they use to describe black players. Nobody is saying any one individual is intentionally setting out to say something racist. It doesn’t mean that they aren’t doing it unconsciously. Nobody is saying that any one individual is deliberately reducing black players down to only their physical, and animalistic attributes. No one, I hope, is setting out to be a racist by calling Sarr, Udogie, or Bissouma as a beast. But people should probably have a think about why it’s almost always black players that are described in this way.
If people can’t see the problem with black players consistently being compared to brutish animals with only their physical prowess praised, while white players are consistently praised for their intelligence, guile and technique, then I’m not sure there’s anything more I can say about it.
That’s on you guys. Several people have explained this calmy and politely now. I’m going to take @MichaelPawson ’s attitude on this one now, you’ve all had this laid out for you now, if you want to carry on doing this then it’s on you, and I’ll consider that you’re now making a conscious choice to use this kind of language.
That’s the last I’ll say on it in this thread.