Player Watch Player Watch: Destiny Udogie

[AnthonySoprano]

 

[robotsonic]

Whatever you think about whether it's acceptable useage or not, it's fucking pathetic to post things goadingly when there are or may be black posters here who have taken offense.

 

[Aay_Jay_Dee]

I just love them so much

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Sorry, but you simply aren’t understanding the issue here. You need to re-read my first paragraph. This isn’t about individuals using words with a certain intent. Several users have asked that people think about the language they use to describe black players. Nobody is saying any one individual is intentionally setting out to say something racist. It doesn’t mean that they aren’t doing it unconsciously. Nobody is saying that any one individual is deliberately reducing black players down to only their physical, and animalistic attributes. No one, I hope, is setting out to be a racist by calling Sarr, Udogie, or Bissouma as a beast. But people should probably have a think about why it’s almost always black players that are described in this way.

If people can’t see the problem with black players consistently being compared to brutish animals with only their physical prowess praised, while white players are consistently praised for their intelligence, guile and technique, then I’m not sure there’s anything more I can say about it.

That’s on you guys. Several people have explained this calmy and politely now. I’m going to take @MichaelPawson ’s attitude on this one now, you’ve all had this laid out for you now, if you want to carry on doing this then it’s on you, and I’ll consider that you’re now making a conscious choice to use this kind of language.

That’s the last I’ll say on it in this thread.

I’m disliking this not because of your points but because of your tone.

You’re a good poster but honestly you’re going way too into depth about this, making it into something bigger than it needs to be and starting to come across as very dogmatic and frankly I’m lost as to even what your point is now.

Please let’s leave it there now.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I just love them so much

It’s great having such likeable players again isn’t it, like we had in peak Poch times, then the squad and player styles and personalities under Jose and Conte started to stagnate, now with Ange we have much needed fresh young exciting talents.

I honestly think Udogie could be absolutely world class in a few years time, he has everything and he also seems to have a great head of his shoulders, the way he’s adapted to such a totally different role under Ange age 20 in a different league and language is very impressive.

 

[Tucker]

You're talking about the connotations of the word beast when used to describe black players, and despite it being meant in a positive way it can be interpreted as racist. Commentators are frequently criticised for saying Saka/Rashford are such polite, calm, thoughtful young men when you talk to them. Also something they intend to be a positive thing but you wouldn't say that about white players (inference being you wouldn't expect black players to be polite). It's similar to what you've done.

I’ve not praised anyone. I was stating a fact. Quite frankly, you’re clutching at straws and reaching a ludicrous conclusion to try and score points.

 

[muppetman]

Another impressive performance from him, nothing seems to faze him at all.

 

[Col_M]

Another impressive performance from him, nothing seems to faze him at all.

He hasn’t read this thread yet.

 

[muppetman]

He hasn’t read this thread yet.

Fair point!

 

[Fergus]

Thanks for your contributions ladies and gents. I now have a nice list of people whose posts and comments I will read with a certain amount of skepticism in future, as well as a short list of bigots that will go on permanent "ignore"

 

[Col_M]

Thanks for your contributions ladies and gents. I now have a nice list of people whose posts and comments I will read with a certain amount of skepticism in future, as well as a short list of bigots that will go on permanent "ignore"

don’t lower yourself to their standards with using that label. But I also wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments.
(I’m assuming you can read this!)

 

[Freddie]

I’ve not praised anyone. I was stating a fact. Quite frankly, you’re clutching at straws and reaching a ludicrous conclusion to try and score points.

You're focusing on irrelevant semantics. You're supporting a narrative of calling out the use of a word which was meant to praise someone but has unintentional offensive connotations and you've done exactly the same thing. You can plead ignorance or or deny it but you've fallen into the exact same trap. I've frequently been the labelled by 'positive' racial stereotypes and it doesn't offend me, but if you're gonna call it out then you have to be consistent.

 

[Spurs4CL]

Thanks for your contributions ladies and gents. I now have a nice list of people whose posts and comments I will read with a certain amount of skepticism in future, as well as a short list of bigots that will go on permanent "ignore"

Bigots? What a weapon you are

Seems like people will just label you a bigot if you disagree with their views.

ironic really that you're so intolerant of other people's views/opinions that you have to call them a slanderous term.

 

[PaulThurston]

What a player we have on our hands.

 

[Tucker]

You're focusing on irrelevant semantics. You're supporting a narrative of calling out the use of a word which was meant to praise someone but has unintentional offensive connotations and you've done exactly the same thing. You can plead ignorance or or deny it but you've fallen into the exact same trap. I've frequently been the labelled by 'positive' racial stereotypes and it doesn't offend me, but if you're gonna call it out then you have to be consistent.

Again, no I haven’t. Go and read my post again, I didn’t praise or label anyone. If I’d made a post saying how wonderful it was that black posters were talking calmly you might have a point, as it is though, all I did was describe the tone of the conversation in order to highlight the fact that nobody was calling anyone out as being intentionally racist.

But hey, if you want to try and point score like this, you carry on, pal.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Sorry, but you simply aren’t understanding the issue here. You need to re-read my first paragraph. This isn’t about individuals using words with a certain intent. Several users have asked that people think about the language they use to describe black players. Nobody is saying any one individual is intentionally setting out to say something racist. It doesn’t mean that they aren’t doing it unconsciously. Nobody is saying that any one individual is deliberately reducing black players down to only their physical, and animalistic attributes. No one, I hope, is setting out to be a racist by calling Sarr, Udogie, or Bissouma as a beast. But people should probably have a think about why it’s almost always black players that are described in this way.

If people can’t see the problem with black players consistently being compared to brutish animals with only their physical prowess praised, while white players are consistently praised for their intelligence, guile and technique, then I’m not sure there’s anything more I can say about it.

That’s on you guys. Several people have explained this calmy and politely now. I’m going to take @MichaelPawson ’s attitude on this one now, you’ve all had this laid out for you now, if you want to carry on doing this then it’s on you, and I’ll consider that you’re now making a conscious choice to use this kind of language.

That’s the last I’ll say on it in this thread.

Good post.

I’m astounded that some respected posters on this site are unable to see past their own noses on this topic. It’s quite easy to understand if you bother to engage with the information that has been well articulated by yourself and others.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I may keep repeating this until his next birthday, but how is he only 20 years old? What a player there.

 

[Jgplk1]

Please can someone start a thread for this or take the conversation to one of the other threads on racism? It's been going on for about 5 pages now.

A few people got it back on track and it's gone sideways again. Not saying it's not worth talking about, but does it need to be here?

 

[theShiznit]

I noticed that on the (only 2) occasions that Walker faced up Destiny he didn't even attempt to go at him and passed backwards.

In the short time he has been here, Destiny is already garnering a (well earned) reputation as a baller with all the physical attributes to liken him to many animals (sorry i couldn't resist )

I'm just looking forward to seeing him every time we play, and hope we tie him down to a Chelsea-esque 18 year contract

 

[cjsimba]

Micah Richards claims Jude Bellingham was outshone by another player early on in England vs Italy

Micah Richards has claimed that Jude Bellingham was outshone by another player in the early stages of England's win over Italy.

www.sportbible.com

Nice to see him start to get some recognition from non-Spurs fans