Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[luRRka]

There is no HG quota to be compliant with
Theres a non HG senior quota of 17 and there's all sorts of details round that plus youth back up.
ATM I think we have 16 senior NHG, not including those that seem surplus, but can easily be wrong

We certainly don't need to get anyone in just because they are HG. If we can get good HG like Kane Skipp and Sess then great, welcome aboard

There is in champions league

 

[WiganSpur]

Victor Moses won the league as a RWB in Conte's system. You really don't need a world class player in that position. Pace and Power and some dribbling ability goes a long way.

Moses is still only 31 and HG. I wonder if we will consider a move for him.

 

[chrissivad]

Was there a thread that explained the HG quota and what the current squad needs to stay compliant with it?

Either I can't find it or have just completely made that up?

I started the one below regarding this season's squad

Tottenham Squad 2022/23

Thread to talk about home grown, u21's, club trained ect. not for who we should buy I will get a graphic done once the window has closed Premier League: Squad of 25 no more than 17 players who are not Home Grown + Under-21 Players (For the 20221/23 campaign, Under-21 players will have been...

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

 

[spids]

There is in champions league

Only if we want to name a 25 man squad of senior players. If we were happy with a 23 man squad supplemented by B-list players we'd be fine.

 

[mawspurs]

Everton are apparently about to bid for KWP, we could always being him back solve the HG issue.

Everton About To Bid For Saints Defender - Southampton News

Everton are newly minted after getting £60 million or so from Tottenham Hotspur, despite record losses, they seemed determined to spend it and the latest on their list is one of Southampton's star defenders.

www.fansnetwork.co.uk

 

[Derryank]

Great insight @Trix

Always honest and appreciated

 

[mil1lion]

Perisic, Kane, Son and Kulusevski will give us plenty in the final 3rd, Richarlison will give us more than Bergwijn did too. Its not crucial for the right wing back to contribute so much but a bonus. Doherty did start to add some good number for his goals and assists though and Sess got a few assists at the back end of the season.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Hypothetical question: would you go for Spence at near £20m, or KWP at £25m?

 

[YB123]

Hypothetical question: would you go for Spence at near £20m, or KWP at £25m?

Spence at near £20m. Natural RWB, where as KWP is more naturally a RB.

Younger, more potential.

 

[lukadownthelane]

Spence at near £20m. Natural RWB, where as KWP is more naturally a RB.

Younger, more potential.

I would say KWP is very much a natural wing back rather than FB. However I doubt he is physically imposing enough for Conte

 

[mil1lion]

Hypothetical question: would you go for Spence at near £20m, or KWP at £25m?

The one for 20m as it allows more available for attacking midfield and centre back

 

[YB123]

I would say KWP is very much a natural wing back rather than FB. However I doubt he is physically imposing enough for Conte

Well hes played regualrly and broke through for England as a FB so not quite sure about that. Spence has only ever really known RWB at Boro and Forest.

 

[Timberwolf]

I would say KWP is very much a natural wing back rather than FB. However I doubt he is physically imposing enough for Conte

We could definitely do worse than KWP, but as you say he's very slight and, while he's smart and excellent technically, he's not especially quick and isn't great in the 1v1 going forward. He'd be an improvement over Royal, but would have a relatively low ceiling.

Spence on the other hand has the physical gifts and attacking intent to go to be an absolutely top wing back if he works hard and keeps improving, but could also be a complete disaster if he doesn't get his head straight.

Would be safe and solid vs high risk/high reward.

 

[archiewasking]

As Moura doesn't seem to want to leave yet and he's pretty pacey, we could do worse than use him as a RWB.

 

[Timberwolf]

Just had a look on SaintsWeb and they really love KWP. Many saying he's been their most consistent player for the past 18 months. Some very nice quotes from Hassenhuttl saying he's incredibly intelligent and can play left, right, even 6 or 8.

Still don't think he's a Conte-style wing back at all but interesting to see they're so positive about him.

 

[Timberwolf]

As Moura doesn't seem to want to leave yet and he's pretty pacey, we could do worse than use him as a RWB.

I used to think the same but the more I've watched us under Conte the less I like the idea.

Our wing backs needs to be calm and reliable in possession in deep areas and willing to follow instructions to the tee. Lucas is way too much of a maverick and his first touch is all over the place. If he was ever going to get any time at RWB under Conte we would've seen it last season.

 

[bbunc]

I used to think the same but the more I've watched us under Conte the less I like the idea.

Our wing backs needs to be calm and reliable in possession in deep areas and willing to follow instructions to the tee. Lucas is way too much of a maverick and his first touch is all over the place. If he was ever going to get any time at RWB under Conte we would've seen it last season.

We did see it for 20 minutes against Norwich and it was glorious.

 

[synththfc]

Saints are loaning Issa Kabore from Man City - highly rated RB from their academy. Wonder if that means they're prepping for either KWP or Livramento to leave

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Yes but that was mostly playing 3-5-2, whereas so far with us he's tweaked that to 3-4-3. The wingbacks goal output won't need to be quite so apparent because he's getting it from 3 forwards rather than 2.

Obviously he wants something specific from each role but I'm not sure they need to be absolute top of the tree players at WB because he's getting more from his forward line.

Good point about the nuance between 3-4-3 vs 3-5-2 and the slight lesser reliance on goal output from wingbacks in the 3-4-3.

Still ofc a very important position but as you say there has to be a compromise somewhere for HG quota and for budget and with Spence’s pace and power I can see conte thinking he can work with that and Doherty and by strengthening the other areas significantly we will be stronger as a whole.

I played a good standard of football (paid level) in a 3atb formation as a wing back, I was decent say 7/10 for that level and got goals and assists but we had 3x 9/10 CB’s who were formidable and very good on the ball and that solid base is probably more important than having say 2x 7/10 CB’s and a 9/10 wing back, because said wingback might score a few more goals and assists but if you have a weakness in the back 3 you’ll get exposed all day long and if those CB’s aren’t as good ball players that also very much effects your overall teams play as those balls into feet and long diagonal switches of play are vital in a 3atb formation.

Thanks for the insights today trix, good to keep drilling it home to people that it is all a fluid puzzle and that some compromise and flex is needed for parts of the puzzle ?.

As long as Conte is happy with our overall approach to the whole puzzle then I’m happy as I’m sure we’ll end up with a very strong well rounded squad.

At a guess I wonder if the situation is something like E.g.
Choice A:
Spence RWB
Bastoni/gravidol CB
cheaper non HG than Maddison/JWP CM/AM

vs
Choice B:
Di Lorenzo RWB
Bremer/P.Torres CB
Maddison/JWP CM/AM

just examples but these are likely the type of juggling acts Conte & Paratici will be working through which is why Spence is an important step in the overall puzzle being HG and relatively cheap if we can agree a price we want.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Saints are loaning Issa Kabore from Man City - highly rated RB from their academy. Wonder if that means they're prepping for either KWP or Livramento to leave

I’d love if we took the risk on Livramento.

He’d sort the homegrown issue, and we’d
have Doherty and Royal to hold the fort until January.
And then ideally their performances are good enough that we could get a good fee in January when prices are inflated.