Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[DiVaio]

Here you go, squire…

There's literally nothing here and Doherty or Emerson wouldn't get any praise for this cameo. The best part of this compilation was Dier's cross
Even in this run(decent) good wing-back would probably play throughball to Richarlison or pass to Kulu

 

[dontcallme]

Surely is the answer not the players keeping them out?

In CM, we've got two of our best players, and Bissouma has been given time. At RWB we have a player starting that literally no one else - not Spurs fans, not pundits - feels is good enough.

If we had Cafu reborn there, no one would be saying a word, but it's pretty clear we don't

No manager appears to do this so I think not.

I remember loads of posters just waiting us to play any kid instead of Sissoko.

It was nonsense theory then, it’s nonsense theory now.

 

[JCRD]

Answer these question numbnuts.

Do you think from what you have seen as a Spurs fan (unless you don't watch games), Emerson deserves to start at RWB over Spence?

Please give me reasons why if so, and don't give me crap saying Spence is not ready. Do you believe Spence can do any worse than Emerson? Don't answer on Contes behalf, answer as a Spurs fan from what you can see with your own fucking eyes.

Spence deserves an opportunity but he isnt the saviour, its a far bigger issue than just having Spence playing. I can see rom yesterday why he isnt playing but I also think he should play, when I think of Sess playing I dont see why he would play and Spence doesnt - regardless of how overloaded we are on that right wing back role.

I am also fed up of Emerson in the attacking positional play but we definitely need a spark which Spence may well bring.

 

[Freddie]

nah prime liechsteiner and asamoah were quality and his most trusted, way better than what we have today

Lichtsteiner was someone I must say I detested watching so I may be bias but he was certainly never fun to watch. More of a reliable carthorse. Asamoah had his moments.

 

[SlotBadger]

Doherty or Emerson wouldn't get any praise for this cameo.

I for one would praise either of them for gliding past three players because pace and power are not either of their strong points.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There's literally nothing here and Doherty or Emerson wouldn't get any praise for this cameo. The best part of this compilation was Dier's cross
Even in this run(decent) good wing-back would probably play throughball to Richarlison or pass to Kulu

I don't think that's totally fair

His run is something they can't do. And his touch looks better.

He attracts players because they know he can threaten. With Emerson they literally allow him time and space because they're totally unconcerned about what he can do.

I can hardly think of another player in the league where a viable opposition plan is: let the cr*p guy have as much of the ball as he wants

 

[Yiddo100]

We are looking at having a couple of friendlies so maybe we'll see.

Sorry if this falls under the no itk questions, but are you aware if we’re going away a for warm weather like conte wanted?

 

[Trix]

Sorry if this falls under the no itk questions, but are you aware if we’re going away a for warm weather like conte wanted?

I believe so.

 

[Japhet]

I know some people probably think I am anti-Spence - which is not the case at all. I just think I have a good understanding of why Conte is reluctant to play him. And, I am not sure much changed after today.

But, having said that, there have been several times in the last year, where the attack was stagnant, and Romero would get frustrated, and decide he would force something to happen in the attacking end - it usually ends with Romero in the box, and everyone wondering how he got there. And when he did that, his intensity would wear off on everyone else, and usually good things happened.

I get the same sense from Spence. Yes, he is not as disciplined in defense or attack - but he could be the spark that brings energy to everyone just trying to keep up with him. He wants to make something happen - rather than being afraid to make a mistake. I think we need that (as long as he has good recovery pace...).

He does have a confidence about him, founded or unfounded, that this team needs from somewhere.

Still not sure its a risk Conte is willing to take - but, I would rotate him in more often.

There's been a whole load of occasions when he could have given Spence minutes, but he gave him 3 minutes (?) before last night. Sarr should have had a taste by now too, but instead we have players being run into the ground. How long before we pick up an injury and have to pitch somebody in with zero experience? Gil hasn't had a sniff hardly while Kulusevski's been out. Poor squad management imo.

 

[Sophos151]

Now list all those that didn't make it that we bought. We had a few successes because we bought a lot. I'll agree we did get some phenomenal young players in and they did help us into the @big 6@ but they never managed to win anything, perhaps because there wasn't enough quality experience around them?

Looking at signings of that type:

In 2004/05 we signed Ziegler (miss), Dawson (hit) and Reid (miss).

In 2005/06 we signed Huddlestone (hit), Lennon (hit), and Routledge (miss).

In 2007/08 we signed Bale (hit), Kaboul (hit), Boateng (miss), and Gunter (miss).

So through that period we had about a 50/50 success rate with bringing in young, inexperienced players for the first team. The misses were cheap, while the hits between them played well over a thousand games for us.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Looking at signings of that type:

In 2004/05 we signed Ziegler (miss), Dawson (hit) and Reid (miss).

In 2005/06 we signed Huddlestone (hit), Lennon (hit), and Routledge (miss).

In 2007/08 we signed Bale (hit), Kaboul (hit), Boateng (miss), and Gunter (miss).

So through that period we had about a 50/50 success rate with bringing in young, inexperienced players for the first team. The misses were cheap, while the hits between them played well over a thousand games for us.

It’s a lot different situation when you are trying to get into the top-4, than when you are trying to stay in the top-4 and take the next step.

 

[DelBoyN17]

Conte has to start Spence on Saturday after his cameo, I’d be ok with him constantly being on the bench if the RWB’s ahead of him were any good, but they’re not, Doc is bang average & Emerson is woeful, my biggest criticism of Conte is his insistence on playing Emerson, it’s a joke!

 

[spurs9]

It’s especially sad because we used to be really good at it and bringing through and signing young talents is one of the major reasons we managed to break in and create the ‘Big 6’.

Walker, Rose, Bale, Lennon, Dele etc.

I don't think they are comparable tbh. We weren't a team in the top 4 when any of them joined, Rose was 23 when he started playing regularly , Walker and Rose had loans to PL teams before breaking into the 1st team and Bale was here for 2.5 seasons before regularly playing (and a switch of positions).

 

[spurs9]

Looking at signings of that type:

In 2004/05 we signed Ziegler (miss), Dawson (hit) and Reid (miss).

In 2005/06 we signed Huddlestone (hit), Lennon (hit), and Routledge (miss).

In 2007/08 we signed Bale (hit), Kaboul (hit), Boateng (miss), and Gunter (miss).

So through that period we had about a 50/50 success rate with bringing in young, inexperienced players for the first team. The misses were cheap, while the hits between them played well over a thousand games for us.

If we were a CL team, like we are now, there would only be 2 hits on that list (Bale and Lennon) and I disagree that Kaboul was a hit considering we sold him after 1 season (he was a hit 2nd time around though).

 

[spurs-r-us]

Emerson seems like a nice fella, but surely nobody actually rates him? Up there with Gilberto on the list of full backs I've seen at Spurs who couldn't cut it. I'd prefer Dier or Kaboul at RWB from their cameos there over the years.

 

[Ribble]

Lichtsteiner was someone I must say I detested watching so I may be bias but he was certainly never fun to watch. More of a reliable carthorse. Asamoah had his moments.

Lichtsteiner in his prime was everything Conte wants from all WB - Strong, quick, Super aggressive, great timing and movement off the ball and with the stamina to get up and down the pitch for 90+ minutes. The little move that he and Pirlo used to pull off where he'd ghost into the box and Pirlo would ping it to him for a shot was just a perfect example of Conte's Automations, too.

Personally I always enjoyed him, and was sad he ended up taking a retirement lap at the Arse.

 

[brendanb50]

Conte has to start Spence on Saturday after his cameo, I’d be ok with him constantly being on the bench if the RWB’s ahead of him were any good, but they’re not, Doc is bang average & Emerson is woeful, my biggest criticism of Conte is his insistence on playing Emerson, it’s a joke!

Ultimately I agree.

There's a lot of talk here commending Emerson and he's earnt some praise. He's worked hard and at the start of the season nailed down his place in the team. He's a likeable player and has some strong attributes (not many of which suit how we set up though).

Spence was never going to come in and become first choice immediately. Especially as he wasn't necessarily Conte's choice but for me, the lack of rotation and ability we've shown in this key position means rotating Spence into the team should/could have happened sooner.

He offers something different, has good strength and can run with the ball at his feet, directly and beat a man. He will 100% attract more opposition attention than Emerson in certain areas of the pitch and i do feel that fans (even in this disgruntled state) would much rather give Spence a chance to make the odd mistake, as opposed to seeing the same players make them.

Timing may be off as we're not dropping him into a full strength side but for me, he needs to show what he can do with more minutes.

 

[djhotspur]

There's literally nothing here and Doherty or Emerson wouldn't get any praise for this cameo. The best part of this compilation was Dier's cross
Even in this run(decent) good wing-back would probably play throughball to Richarlison or pass to Kulu

Completely agree. I didnt see anything, bar that one run to suggest he has much that we need.

if anything it confirmed why he isn't ready. He didn't look to overlap once, he ignored kulu numerous times for no reason and just stood with the ball looking lost, he stood inside a few times at a stand still without any movement.

 

[danielneeds]

I get that Spence is raw and will probably make mistakes, but guess what, everyone in the side is making them at the moment. For me, the balance of the side is wrong and we desperately need to add someone who can run with the ball, to take on a defender. Just one added to the side could set off a chain reaction which could help other players.

 

[mil1lion]

I hope he starts tomorrow. His cameo was just enough to show he deserves a chance. If he's left out it will be because Conte doesn't trust him fully to defend. If Dier plays right central though he could keep in his ear to help out.