Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[ButchCassidy]

Meh. We signed a young player, it didn’t work out, but at least he didn’t sit on our bench for three years before we figured that out. Sell him on and go buy another young player.

 

[Timberwolf]

I think his ceiling is still very high indeed and he could be huge in a few years if he can sort his head out but I doubt it will happen at Spurs, sadly.

I'm heading into the murky realms of body language police here, but I've scarcely seen a young player look quite so...impudent when he plays. He'll ask for the ball then moan when he's not given it and skulk back to defend as if it's a massive burden.

That combined with all of the behind the scenes comments from various ITKs, the Warnock stuff and Conte's complete dismissal of him makes me think he's just still very immature and needs to be absolutely coddled by his manager to succeed as was the case at Forest. He's not going to get that as a young player at the top end of the league.

Probably best to sell while he still has value. We should be able to get our money back (and maybe a little extra) from someone like Palace or Brentford if we're lucky.

 

[kremlyn]

Remember lads, it's ITK, not gospel.

He's a young lad who may not fit in. Let's not demonise him, even if he does have to go.

If you're calling someone a **** on the back of gossip, it's you that's the ****.

 

[BasingstokeYid]

if theres another thread for djed i couldnt find it
BEN:
I have heard from a few different people he don’t have a good attitude I know steve cooper got a good 5 months from him but I don’t see him being in ange plans at all.

Isn't this basically what Warnock said as well

 

[muppetman]

Remember lads, it's ITK, not gospel.

He's a young lad who may not fit in. Let's not demonise him, even if he does have to go.

If you're calling someone a **** on the back of gossip, it's you that's the ****.

You’d also think that the whole Dele thing was recent enough to give people pause before piling in.

 

[olithfc]

If we loan him to a premier league team and he gets a full top flight season we may not lose all we paid on him

 

[muppetman]

Taking a punt on talented youngsters is generally a good thing but some won’t work out.

I know everyone gets a little moist at the chance to put the boot into our glorious leader but taking a gamble on a young player, hoping he matures and his attitude improves in a different environment seems a reasonable risk to me.

Mountain of salt with ITK also.

 

[cockerel downunder]

If true it’s a further knock to HG numbers as much as anything else

 

[thecook]

Maybe Forest will take him off our hands on an initial loan.

Seems Levy got played though by Gibson over this one.

 

[amathews3416]

Didn't we pay close to 20 million? That's not exactly taking a punt. That is buying a player you anticipate to be at or around your first-team. To me, taking a punt on a young player is what we would be doing with the kid from Blackburn, who is costing us in the 5 million range. With how tight Levy is and the difficulty we have in moving players, we really can't afford to miss on these type of transfers.

 

[jbstarr14]

Maybe the kid needs a straight-talking manager, with seemingly very high levels of emotional intelligence who enjoys developing/promoting youth?

 

[Goobers]

Think Djed is certainly someone we should be looking at loaning.

 

[he is you know!]

Didn't we pay close to 20 million? That's not exactly taking a punt. That is buying a player you anticipate to be at or around your first-team. To me, taking a punt on a young player is what we would be doing with the kid from Blackburn, who is costing us in the 5 million range. With how tight Levy is and the difficulty we have in moving players, we really can't afford to miss on these type of transfers.

£12.5m guaranteed. Agree totally with your point though.

 

[Timberwolf]

Maybe the kid needs a straight-talking manager, with seemingly very high levels of emotional intelligence who enjoys developing/promoting youth?

Thing is I don't think Ange gives individual players special treatment. If you aren't willing to put in the work then I don't think he's the type to put an arm around the shoulder and ask what's wrong. You're either in or you're out based on your commitment to the cause and your workrate.

He's clearly got emotional intelligence but he's said in interviews that he rarely has conversations for longer than a minute with individual players - it's all about building a strong culture and having players commit to the collective idea.

Djed strikes me as someone who needs to feel special and loved as he was by Cooper at Forest. Maybe given preferential treatment due to his talent. He won't get that from Ange.

 

[KaribYid]

Taking a punt on talented youngsters is generally a good thing but some won’t work out.

I know everyone gets a little moist at the chance to put the boot into our glorious leader but taking a gamble on a young player, hoping he matures and his attitude improves in a different environment seems a reasonable risk to me.

Mountain of salt with ITK also.

Nothing wrong with taking a punt on young players but Levy and whoever is advising him is abysmal at identifying the right player to take a gamble on.

Look at Paratici's gambles (Udogie, Gil, Sarr) which look like much better signings in comparison to Spence, Rodon, Clarke etc.

 

[jurgen11]

another joke purchase by baldy

Baldist..power to the slap heads (me included)

 

[jbstarr14]

Thing is I don't think Ange gives individual players special treatment. If you aren't willing to put in the work then I don't think he's the type to put an arm around the shoulder and ask what's wrong. You're either in or you're out based on your commitment to the cause and your workrate.

He's clearly got emotional intelligence but he's said in interviews that he rarely has conversations for longer than a minute with individual players - it's all about building a strong culture and having players commit to the collective idea.

Djed strikes me as someone who needs to feel special and loved as he was by Cooper at Forest. Maybe given preferential treatment due to his talent. He won't get that from Ange.

Yeah, not talking about either coddling or riding DS - more like making it clear to him that it’s up to him to make the most of his abilities and that the opportunities are there if he wants to seize them.That’s where the ‘straight talking’ but sits.

 

[robin09]

Meh. We signed a young player, it didn’t work out, but at least he didn’t sit on our bench for three years before we figured that out. Sell him on and go buy another young player.

Assuming the rumours are accurate, then I agree that we should just move on and continue to target young HG players with potential.

But we also need to learn to better vet the players we're signing, especially when there were plenty of question marks over his attitude before we bought him.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

if theres another thread for djed i couldnt find it
BEN:
I have heard from a few different people he don’t have a good attitude I know steve cooper got a good 5 months from him but I don’t see him being in ange plans at all.

Hmm yea my mate at Fulham said the same thing when he was playing in their youth team.

Shame if he’s not grown up or improved his attitude to the levels needed to impress PL bosses.

Another loan then I assume unless forest etc fancy buying him back

 

[spursfan77]

Didn't we pay close to 20 million? That's not exactly taking a punt. That is buying a player you anticipate to be at or around your first-team. To me, taking a punt on a young player is what we would be doing with the kid from Blackburn, who is costing us in the 5 million range. With how tight Levy is and the difficulty we have in moving players, we really can't afford to miss on these type of transfers.

I dont get why we bought him in the first place. We had Doherty and Emerson. Then while he was still owned by the club we buy Porro.

He's a strange signing whatever way you look at it because he just never seemed really needed, especially when we needed players in other areas of the team so much more.