Player Watch: Emerson Royal

[Trent Crimm]

It's just fucking pathological now.

From where I was standing in the South, Emerson was one of our better players first half against Leeds. Fluffed goal aside he passed better and made less errors than many other more talented (and less derided players). His passing was good and incisive at times and he set us away several times.

The problem with this psychosis is that people are "blaming Conte for picking him". As far as I'm concerned, having watched every game and been to most at home, Emerson edges it over Doherty for mine (and I defended Doch a lot last season when the usual same suspects dug him out). Conte is picking him because he's the better option.

Spence is the unknown quantity but if you're booing a player because he's getting picked before someone you've only seen play 20 odd Premier league minutes then I'd suggest YOU are the twat in this situation.

If Doch plays anything like he did in that six game stretch last season before Cash fucked him, then and only then will I be puzzled as to why Conte picks Emerson over him. Right now it makes sense - because he's as good an option as any we have on our books.

Most embarrassing reaction I've seen amongst any supporter base let alone Spurs. You're diminishing the club and yourselves.

Yeah, but, Arsenal, innit. ?

 

[spursgirls]

I’m sure he would’ve got a good reception from the majority when his name was read out in the next one.

Sadly, he would probably have thought it an ironic cheer.

 

[ukdy]

No one here has said you can't criticise Emerson. I agree with a lot of what you just said. All people here have said is that they are not prepared anymore to tolerate the abuse and bullying that Emerson regularly receives.

But you know all of this already. You're just still upset and sulking because you were rightly criticised for minimising and defending the bullying and abuse. So instead of reflecting upon why you were criticised, you're just back in here winning again.

I've got very thick skin and some negative emojis and fake internet points on prior posts don't really bother me mate, reflecting.. do me a favour. Maybe I'm from a different generation that doesn't see the problem with criticising consistently poor performances.. if someone I work with told me consistently, I consistently wasn't doing my job, I wouldn't feel bullied, I'd sort my shit out. Everyone is getting offended on his behalf.

Whilst I don't particularly like hearing the boos (it doesn't give us an appearance of unity), and whilst I won't take part... If people (and on recent occasion a large percentage of the stadium) are showing their frustration this way, it's symptomatic of a wider issue and gets the point and frustrations across very accurately. Posters here can like or dislike my opinion, I'm not fussed.. but what I 100% will not stand behind is maliciousness, targeted and dangerous, violent abuse or threatening behaviour... personally I don't see a boo as bullying, the aforementioned would be.

I'd love a player to up their level, defy critics, turn things around... but how long do we try to ram a square peg into a round hole. Especially when the square peg has been given every opportunity already?

The majority of a stadium criticising poor performances are extremely frustrated paying supporters not abusive bullies stealing Emerson's money behind the bike sheds. I pretty much never wade in on hot topics on the internet, but here it is, my head above the parapet. Fire away.

 

[easley91]

I've got very thick skin and some negative emojis and fake internet points on prior posts don't really bother me mate, reflecting.. do me a favour. Maybe I'm from a different generation that doesn't see the problem with criticising consistently poor performances.. if someone I work with told me consistently, I consistently wasn't doing my job, I wouldn't feel bullied, I'd sort my shit out. Everyone is getting offended on his behalf.

Whilst I don't particularly like hearing the boos (it doesn't give us an appearance of unity), and whilst I won't take part... If people (and on recent occasion a large percentage of the stadium) are showing their frustration this way, it's symptomatic of a wider issue and gets the point and frustrations across very accurately. Posters here can like or dislike my opinion, I'm not fussed.. but what I 100% will not stand behind is maliciousness, targeted and dangerous, violent abuse or threatening behaviour... personally I don't see a boo as bullying, the aforementioned would be.

I'd love a player to up their level, defy critics, turn things around... but how long do we try to ram a square peg into a round hole. Especially when the square peg has been given every opportunity already?

The majority of a stadium criticising poor performances are extremely frustrated paying supporters not abusive bullies stealing Emerson's money behind the bike sheds. I pretty much never wade in on hot topics on the internet, but here it is, my head above the parapet. Fire away.

You haven't seen the social media comments he gets day in day out have you? He had to turn off comments on his Instagram page because of it. That IS bullying.

The post you're responding to literally says it's fine to criticize his performances as we have all done. It's the chorus of boos when his name is read out, abuse from people in the stands and sarcastic cheers when gets subbed off. How in any way is that "supporting" your club?

 

[bc205]

I've got very thick skin and some negative emojis and fake internet points on prior posts don't really bother me mate, reflecting.. do me a favour. Maybe I'm from a different generation that doesn't see the problem with criticising consistently poor performances.. if someone I work with told me consistently, I consistently wasn't doing my job, I wouldn't feel bullied, I'd sort my shit out. Everyone is getting offended on his behalf.

Whilst I don't particularly like hearing the boos (it doesn't give us an appearance of unity), and whilst I won't take part... If people (and on recent occasion a large percentage of the stadium) are showing their frustration this way, it's symptomatic of a wider issue and gets the point and frustrations across very accurately. Posters here can like or dislike my opinion, I'm not fussed.. but what I 100% will not stand behind is maliciousness, targeted and dangerous, violent abuse or threatening behaviour... personally I don't see a boo as bullying, the aforementioned would be.

I'd love a player to up their level, defy critics, turn things around... but how long do we try to ram a square peg into a round hole. Especially when the square peg has been given every opportunity already?

The majority of a stadium criticising poor performances are extremely frustrated paying supporters not abusive bullies stealing Emerson's money behind the bike sheds. I pretty much never wade in on hot topics on the internet, but here it is, my head above the parapet. Fire away.

Ok mate. You can justify your posts on this anyway you like. Me and plenty of others have made our feelings on this very clear by now, and it should be pretty obvioys why we feel strongly about it. So if you want to keep minimising the abuse and making excuses for it then that's up to you. It's just quite sad to see the mental gumnastics you are going through to try and defend yourself, but i'm clearly not going to change your mind, so i'll leave it there.

 

[bubble07]

Did it though?

Or was it that the board realised they'd made a huge error, Conte changed his mind since the summer and was now open to joining, and it happening after a match with loud boos was a coincidence?

correlation <> causation and all that.

I genuinely think Levy thought "oh shit I've never heard it this bad we need to take action now"

 

[ukdy]

gumnastics

Nice.

i'll leave it there.

Good idea. Count me in.

 

[C0YS]

bib - I don’t recall saying that at all

There’s not really much point in having a discussion forum if the answer to absolutely everything is “because the manager said so, and I’d rather go on his opinion than yours”. I KNOW that Conte for whatever reason doesn’t think he’s ready, and I don’t claim to know better than he does....I’m just disagreeing and giving my reasons. Conte, like any other manager or expert in any profession, isn’t always right and isn’t above having his decisions questioned or critiqued, even by novices like myself. Managers get things wrong all the time, and I think persisting with Royal without giving other options a fair chance is wrong on his part. Does that mean I’m right? Do I think I know better than he does? Of course not. It’s simply my opinion.

The problem is this is fan logic. Spence is given a fair chance every day in the training ground. The idea that you have to play them to see how they do is just bullshit.

I personally would use Spence more, not as a starter but as someone to bring on, add about of unpredictability. The problem is, Conte doesn't like unpredictability. If Spence wants to play he has to do what Conte says and follow it. That simple.

 

[C0YS]

Also the abuse of Emerson is horrid, and the scapegoating is ott. Particularly for a player who really does give a shit and works hard. I don't think he's the solution, but he hasn't been that bad, and we generally speaking look more solid with him than without him. He also does progress the ball much better than he is given credit for.



Like I said, I don't think he's the future there but if you think he personally is the problem with the team than frankly you don't know a thing about football. Our lack of options at RWB, sure, but that's hardly Emerson's fault. Hes mostly being scapegoated because of his end product. It's not like he can't take a man on either, he makes by far the most successful dribbles out of all of our wingbacks, intact he'd be a pretty decent option if he could only cross

He can make mistakes for sure, but Perisic defending can be frankly embarrassing at time, just completely in the wrong position to deal with offensive threats etc, but he gets a free pass. People see what they want

Yes, we need a RWB, no Emerson is not as awful as some fans think. People are just projecting more systematic and larger personnel problems onto him, while projecting Spence as the saviour in some nonsensical madness. You got this same shit with Joe Rodon. He didn't play because he wasn't good and to be honest with you, right now it isn't clear if he is good enough for Rennes either. But some people here made it out that he was our best defender.

 

[freeeki]

I've got very thick skin and some negative emojis and fake internet points on prior posts don't really bother me mate, reflecting.. do me a favour. Maybe I'm from a different generation that doesn't see the problem with criticising consistently poor performances.. if someone I work with told me consistently, I consistently wasn't doing my job, I wouldn't feel bullied, I'd sort my shit out. Everyone is getting offended on his behalf.

Nobody has an issue with posters on a forum criticising bad performances.

Also, fans in the ground are not "the people Emerson works with". I imagine his actual colleagues and team mates have his back 100%.

But you know this, you're just being deliberately obtuse to justify your dismal armchair ramblings.

 

[Spursmad321]

I remember Walker doing that once which led to a goal, and look how he turned out!!!

 

[Blake Griffin]

It's not like he can't take a man on either

but he can't. manoeuvring around players in the defensive third is one thing but when has he actually ever beaten his opponent in an attacking sense? i genuinely can't recall a single time.

He can make mistakes for sure, but Perisic defending can be frankly embarrassing at time, just completely in the wrong position to deal with offensive threats etc, but he gets a free pass. People see what they want

perisic gets a "free pass" because he's three months into his spurs career, this time last year emerson was also getting a free pass, as is normal for new players. perisic has also assisted 7 goals in his short time here, emerson's record to date on the other hand stands at a pitiful 2.

tbh i always find it a weak defence when you have to start bringing other players into it, they have no bearing on emerson. as far as emerson's lack of quality goes it's irrelevant what perisic or any other player is doing, or not doing.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Nobody is getting moaned at because of what Arsenal are doing. Jesus.

Next you’ll be saying you had bad sex/meal/nights sleep etc bc of Arsenal. Literally the dog ate my homework version of why players are getting rough treatment.

edit. If Arsenal bother you that much that you need to shout at Emerson , Davies et Al. Then I suggest therapy or a home in the woods.

Don't be out here trying to blow up my excuses to the Mrs...

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

The problem is this is fan logic. Spence is given a fair chance every day in the training ground. The idea that you have to play them to see how they do is just bullshit.

I personally would use Spence more, not as a starter but as someone to bring on, add about of unpredictability. The problem is, Conte doesn't like unpredictability. If Spence wants to play he has to do what Conte says and follow it. That simple.

I think the real problem here is that fans such as yourself appear to genuinely believe they’re not using fan logic. We all are. You just happen to be using a different logic to me.

Also, better managers than Conte have given players a chance to see how they fare, and I can’t imagine he hasn’t done so at some point. So I guess we can just agree to disagree on that suggestion somehow being “bullshit”

 

[allatsea]

I think the real problem here is that fans such as yourself appear to genuinely believe they’re not using fan logic. We all are. You just happen to be using a different logic to me.

Also, better managers than Conte have given players a chance to see how they fare, and I can’t imagine he hasn’t done so at some point. So I guess we can just agree to disagree on that suggestion somehow being “bullshit”

There aren't many better Managers than Conte. Who do you have in mind ?

 

[C0YS]

but he can't. manoeuvring around players in the defensive third is one thing but when has he actually ever beaten his opponent in an attacking sense? i genuinely can't recall a single time.


perisic gets a "free pass" because he's three months into his spurs career, this time last year emerson was also getting a free pass, as is normal for new players. perisic has also assisted 7 goals in his short time here, emerson's record to date on the other hand stands at a pitiful 2.

tbh i always find it a weak defence when you have to start bringing other players into it, they have no bearing on emerson. as far as emerson's lack of quality goes it's irrelevant what perisic or any other player is doing, or not doing.

You have to bring other players into it when you are trying to talk about the phenomenon of scapegoating, you have to point out that there is a double standard. Obviously people forgive perisic because he is good going forward. But the point is people get tunnel vision, and see only what they want to see. Confirmation bias etc.

I don't think Emerson is a good fit. But the boos are too much.

 

[C0YS]

I think the real problem here is that fans such as yourself appear to genuinely believe they’re not using fan logic. We all are. You just happen to be using a different logic to me.

Also, better managers than Conte have given players a chance to see how they fare, and I can’t imagine he hasn’t done so at some point. So I guess we can just agree to disagree on that suggestion somehow being “bullshit”

Well good managers of all kinds, give players a chance after earning it in training, no manager worth anything plays a player without having shown that in training. Unless you are souness with Alli dia. The point is you are ignoring was 90% of the football the manager sees.

 

[chrisd2k]

You have to bring other players into it when you are trying to talk about the phenomenon of scapegoating, you have to point out that there is a double standard. Obviously people forgive perisic because he is good going forward. But the point is people get tunnel vision, and see only what they want to see. Confirmation bias etc.

I don't think Emerson is a good fit. But the boos are too much.

Ive seen plenty of people criticise Perisic in here. His delivery is great though but the other stuff is a bit... Meh.

In fact every player has been in for criticism in their threads or do you mean in the stadium?

If so yeah he seems to be the fall guy for our fans with the recent performances, at least first half anyway. That's not on and you feel for the guy as it's not his fault he's not a RWB. It used to be said that full effort was enough for the fans but that's obviously cack.

I wonder if he would have had the same treatment at WHL, smaller stadium with more real fans not as many of the once in a while'ers. Dunno maybe?

 

[Trix]

Ive seen plenty of people criticise Perisic in here. His delivery is great though but the other stuff is a bit... Meh.

In fact every player has been in for criticism in their threads or do you mean in the stadium?

If so yeah he seems to be the fall guy for our fans with the recent performances, at least first half anyway. That's not on and you feel for the guy as it's not his fault he's not a RWB. It used to be said that full effort was enough for the fans but that's obviously cack.

I wonder if he would have had the same treatment at WHL, smaller stadium with more real fans not as many of the once in a while'ers. Dunno maybe?

This is true but they are being expressed very differently. Other players are indeed being criticised but no where near in the same way. I think the problem here is that you think people are criticising you for your comments regarding Royal and I don't think they are. I think you've been over the top about him at times, but FWIR at least not in the same bracket as those we are condemning. It's not the criticism that's the problem it's the vitriol and how it's expressed by certain posters for him just being him.

 

[Steve_Ben]

booing one of your own players is NEVER acceptable - end of