Player Watch: Erik Lamela

[jezz]

I love Coco and based on footballing talent he would get a new contract.
But I understand Levys doubts and Cocos injury record is a cause for concern.
Hopefully he stays fit and stays for years to come.
1 more injury though and I think he'll be sold and completely understand that.

 

[SlotBadger]

Slightly perplexed as to how a player’s ethnicity has anything to do with this.

 

[Streetspur77]

I feel compelled to say that this is just a lot of BS. I clearly remember you calling Lamela stupid after his yellow card against Rochdale at the match thread. And you weren't alone in doing that, a few other posters did as well. So your assesment that the SC community is not being fair on their treatment of both players is false.

People calling Aurier an idiot way more often than Lamela has probably nothing to do with racism either, it's just the fact that Aurier seems to be way more prone of taking idiotic actions than Lamela. In fact, Lamela actually seems to be quite aware about the game circumstances (as opposed to Aurier) and usually acts accordingly, which would mean the people constantly calling Lamela an idiot are probably not that bright.

But I guess some people will see racism wherever they want to...


EDIT: I just wanted to add that I actually like Aurier, and I think that one full preseason under Poch will work wonders for him and he will become an essential part of our squad.

I didn't strictly say Lamela is stupid, the point of my post was clearly more the Lamela comparison, so to twist it like I just said Lamela was stupid is disingenuous.

Why does me and a few others pointing out Lamela having similar flaws to Aurier make it fair treatment? Did you not see the abuse Aurier got after Juve? How is that the same as me politely pointing out Lamela's flaws whilst saying I like him?

Also I didn't say it was racism, I said it was playing into stereotypes of black people that some people clearly still have, as shown with the posts in the summer when someone said stuff about "signing another stupid African player", which have now been deleted by mods.

And finally I don't constantly call Lamela stupid ffs, I once compared people calling Aurier stupid to the lack of reaction to Lamela committing similar offences.

But I guess some people will say anything to fit their narrative....

 

[Streetspur77]

Slightly perplexed as to how a player’s ethnicity has anything to do with this.

There is a stereotype that black people are stupid, or at least mentally inferior, to other races, perpetuated by centuries of slavery, segregation and the selubsequent black underachievement in areas such as higher education.

Aurier is a black, African footballer.

Aurier got abused and called "stupid", "twat", "idiot" for continuing to dive in following his yellow card and penalty against Juve, he did not get sent off.

There is a stereotype, in football, and wider life that Hispanic people/people from South America are passionate and fiery.

Lamela is a Hispanic, Argentinian footballer

Lamela gets called a "warrior" and "passionate" after continuing to dive into tackles after getting a yellow against Rochdale, Lamela also did not get sent off.

Yes Aurier is a defender and gave away a penalty and that makes his offences slightly worse, but it doesn't explain why his are seen as such a negative and Lamela's aren't seen as negative in anyway, and are in fact championed. That's why I bought up ethnicity.

 

[DaleMurphy]

Love Coco and I it seems as if Poch does too if he can stay healthy thru the end of the season I think he’ll get a new contract

 

[Yid-ol]

There is a stereotype that black people are stupid, or at least mentally inferior, to other races, perpetuated by centuries of slavery, segregation and the selubsequent black underachievement in areas such as higher education.

Aurier is a black, African footballer.

Aurier got abused and called "stupid", "twat", "idiot" for continuing to dive in following his yellow card and penalty against Juve, he did not get sent off.

There is a stereotype, in football, and wider life that Hispanic people/people from South America are passionate and fiery.

Lamela is a Hispanic, Argentinian footballer

Lamela gets called a "warrior" and "passionate" after continuing to dive into tackles after getting a yellow against Rochdale, Lamela also did not get sent off.

Yes Aurier is a defender and gave away a penalty and that makes his offences slightly worse, but it doesn't explain why his are seen as such a negative and Lamela's aren't seen as negative in anyway, and are in fact championed. That's why I bought up ethnicity.

Lamelas fouls are at the other end of the pitch, he is still stupid for doig them after being booked, the diffrence is lamelas founs dont put preaure on us or result in a goal scoring opportunity for the other team. Also lamela does alot of pressing and good work for the team, his fouling is a result of harrasing and causing problems for the opposition's defence (still needs to cut out the fouls) where as Aurier's still needing to settle inti the team and show what he can do really.

The colour of someones skin or where they are from is irrelevant, if a player is making stupid challanges in and around the box then they are stupid.

 

[wrd]

The thing with Lamela is that he is quite likely to get a decent fee from a Serie A club and if we have an opportunity to sign a difference maker we can't dismiss that.

 

[slartibartfast]

There is a stereotype that black people are stupid, or at least mentally inferior, to other races, perpetuated by centuries of slavery, segregation and the selubsequent black underachievement in areas such as higher education.

Aurier is a black, African footballer.

Aurier got abused and called "stupid", "twat", "idiot" for continuing to dive in following his yellow card and penalty against Juve, he did not get sent off.

There is a stereotype, in football, and wider life that Hispanic people/people from South America are passionate and fiery.

Lamela is a Hispanic, Argentinian footballer

Lamela gets called a "warrior" and "passionate" after continuing to dive into tackles after getting a yellow against Rochdale, Lamela also did not get sent off.

Yes Aurier is a defender and gave away a penalty and that makes his offences slightly worse, but it doesn't explain why his are seen as such a negative and Lamela's aren't seen as negative in anyway, and are in fact championed. That's why I bought up ethnicity.

I dont agree with that and I think its sad if you believe that.
I dont believe anybody who isnt a complete dong thinks a person is thick because they're black.
Irony being you'd have to be a fkin dumb shit to think that (not you lol).
I consider myself fairly level headed and I think both Lamelas challenges and Auriers are stupid sometimes. They're hardly alone. I dont watch them and think ooh he's fiery or he's an idiot based on their race. I think wtf is that idiot doing whoever does it when already on a yellow. Same as every player who is behind an opponent in their last third when they have nowhere to go and they bloody push them over. Well done dumbass, they were in trouble there with no way out until you gave them a free pass. That's fkin stupid imo. Also annoying. Race and colour dont come into it.

 

[SlotBadger]

Ryan Mason speaking about Lamela:

https://twitter.com/5livesport/status/969682914500739072?s=21

 

[coys200]

Would do love to see coco bang in a few goals and be talked about in same was as Eriksen.

 

[parj]

There is a stereotype that black people are stupid, or at least mentally inferior, to other races, perpetuated by centuries of slavery, segregation and the selubsequent black underachievement in areas such as higher education.

Aurier is a black, African footballer.

Aurier got abused and called "stupid", "twat", "idiot" for continuing to dive in following his yellow card and penalty against Juve, he did not get sent off.

There is a stereotype, in football, and wider life that Hispanic people/people from South America are passionate and fiery.

Lamela is a Hispanic, Argentinian footballer

Lamela gets called a "warrior" and "passionate" after continuing to dive into tackles after getting a yellow against Rochdale, Lamela also did not get sent off.

Yes Aurier is a defender and gave away a penalty and that makes his offences slightly worse, but it doesn't explain why his are seen as such a negative and Lamela's aren't seen as negative in anyway, and are in fact championed. That's why I bought up ethnicity.

Why is this stupid way of thinking being legitimised by explaining it? I do not call Aurier stupid because of his skin colour. I call him stupid because he does wreckless things. Anyone that relates it to skin colour needs a fcuking ban

 

[Streetspur77]

Why is this stupid way of thinking being legitimised by explaining it? I do not call Aurier stupid because of his skin colour. I call him stupid because he does wreckless things. Anyone that relates it to skin colour needs a fcuking ban

It's like talking to a fucking brick wall.

When Aurier dives into tackles he gets called "stupid" when Lamela does it he's "passionate".

Now why is it so ridiculous to hypothesise that this difference in reaction may be due to long held racial stereotypes. It's not saying people think "oh he's black so he's stupid", just that these unconscious ideas, that have been hammered home through centuries of racism, can affect people's judgment and to deny that, is to me, is remarkable. I never even used to word "Racism"

 

[KILLA_SIN]

The thing with Lamela is that he is quite likely to get a decent fee from a Serie A club and if we have an opportunity to sign a difference maker we can't dismiss that.

Poch aint selling erik so dont worry about it.

 

[poc]

It's like talking to a fucking brick wall.

When Aurier dives into tackles he gets called "stupid" when Lamela does it he's "passionate".

Now why is it so ridiculous to hypothesise that this difference in reaction may be due to long held racial stereotypes. It's not saying people think "oh he's black so he's stupid", just that these unconscious ideas, that have been hammered home through centuries of racism, can affect people's judgment and to deny that, is to me, is remarkable. I never even used to word "Racism"

Not a bad argument but in all honesty it has more to do with the position they play. If lamela was right back and did it in the box he would be labelled stupid and an idiot not passionate. Nothing to do with colour.

 

[Bulletspur]

Lamelas fouls are at the other end of the pitch, he is still stupid for doig them after being booked, the diffrence is lamelas founs dont put preaure on us or result in a goal scoring opportunity for the other team. Also lamela does alot of pressing and good work for the team, his fouling is a result of harrasing and causing problems for the opposition's defence (still needs to cut out the fouls) where as Aurier's still needing to settle inti the team and show what he can do really.

The colour of someones skin or where they are from is irrelevant, if a player is making stupid challanges in and around the box then they are stupid.

I agree with all this and I am black. Am I then stupid?

 

[parj]

It's like talking to a fucking brick wall.

When Aurier dives into tackles he gets called "stupid" when Lamela does it he's "passionate".

Now why is it so ridiculous to hypothesise that this difference in reaction may be due to long held racial stereotypes. It's not saying people think "oh he's black so he's stupid", just that these unconscious ideas, that have been hammered home through centuries of racism, can affect people's judgment and to deny that, is to me, is remarkable. I never even used to word "Racism"

You can keep talking to a fcuking brick wall. I'm sorry but that's horseshit. I have never heard anyone call a player stupid because they were black. If you have then you need to evaluate your circle of friends. That's not football related, that's just plain racism.

 

[ohtottenham!]

There is a stereotype that black people are stupid, or at least mentally inferior, to other races, perpetuated by centuries of slavery, segregation and the selubsequent black underachievement in areas such as higher education.

Aurier is a black, African footballer.

Aurier got abused and called "stupid", "twat", "idiot" for continuing to dive in following his yellow card and penalty against Juve, he did not get sent off.

There is a stereotype, in football, and wider life that Hispanic people/people from South America are passionate and fiery.

Lamela is a Hispanic, Argentinian footballer

Lamela gets called a "warrior" and "passionate" after continuing to dive into tackles after getting a yellow against Rochdale, Lamela also did not get sent off.

Yes Aurier is a defender and gave away a penalty and that makes his offences slightly worse, but it doesn't explain why his are seen as such a negative and Lamela's aren't seen as negative in anyway, and are in fact championed. That's why I bought up ethnicity.

We all know what the racial stereotypes are, some of us more than others in a personal way. I'm mixed race. Really don't get how you're interjecting race into this. Alli, Rose, Lamela, Davies, Dembele, Vic are all passionate and warriors...Kane, more than anyone.

Aurier, despite showing great promise and having great games like Liverpool at home, makes some "dumb" decisions, which can cost us in the most critical ways. He'll improve under Poch. It's his first season.

But, currently his defensive errors can sometimes recall the worst of Vlad Chiriches, who also made plenty of dumb decisions; and who also got called "dumb" and "stupid". It's not really a race thing.

 

[ralvy]

I didn't strictly say Lamela is stupid, the point of my post was clearly more the Lamela comparison, so to twist it like I just said Lamela was stupid is disingenuous.

Why does me and a few others pointing out Lamela having similar flaws to Aurier make it fair treatment? Did you not see the abuse Aurier got after Juve? How is that the same as me politely pointing out Lamela's flaws whilst saying I like him?

Also I didn't say it was racism, I said it was playing into stereotypes of black people that some people clearly still have, as shown with the posts in the summer when someone said stuff about "signing another stupid African player", which have now been deleted by mods.

And finally I don't constantly call Lamela stupid ffs, I once compared people calling Aurier stupid to the lack of reaction to Lamela committing similar offences.

But I guess some people will say anything to fit their narrative....

First, I emphasized the constantly in my post hoping that you would see that I wasn't refering to you, just the people who contantly call Lamela stupid.

Second, you did call Lamela stupid in the match thread. I know you were just reacting to his reckless challenge, but still...

Why does me and a few others pointing out Lamela having similar flaws to Aurier make it fair treatment? Did you not see the abuse Aurier got after Juve? How is that the same as me politely pointing out Lamela's flaws whilst saying I like him?

It's fair because the flaws you're pointing out are not really that similar. The big difference here is that Lamela seems to be aware of what he's doing, whereas Aurier seems to be taking action without properly evaluating the consequences.

Also, the stakes were way way higher when Aurier gave away that penalty against Juve. Obviously people would react more emotionally in such occasion. But sure, you go ahead and place the blame on people's prejudices against black people (why you even want to pretend that wouldn't be you blaming it on racism I don't know, as that totally would be a form of racism, but whatever... ).

All that being said, it frustrates me that people are being so harsh on Aurier. If I recall correctly, all this began originating because of the penalty he gave away against Madrid, and IMO that was a clear dive from Kross. I would have expected that at least Tottenham fans would back him up after that and not place the blame on him for that penalty, but they all collectively decided to follow the media narrative and pretend like that penalty was fair.

 

[parj]

I agree with all this and I am black. Am I then stupid?

No, but your chances of being the most well endowed person on SC increased

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Lamela be excused his stupid fouls because of his nationality, in fact I think he’s one of our more criticised players. Likewise I don’t think Aurier is given worse treatment because of his race, I think he’s accused of doing stupid things because, well, he does stupid things.

If Lamela gets off the hook for his stupid tackles more than Aurier, I would imagine it’s a) because his overall performance is generally very good usually whereas Aurier tends to be one of our worst performers when he plays and b) because we’ve developed an affinity with Lamela over the past 5 years where none yet exists with Aurier.

Anybody who judges these guys differently because of their skin colour is a ****, but I genuinely haven’t noticed it.