Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[Vulcan10]

I'm not sure how popular this will be, and I didn't do it specifically to dig him out I promise, but I thought I'd go through the games because I was a bit unsure about how many errors there had been, via a combo of memory/match reports/video/ratings threads, and it's not great reading this season. Obvious errors I'd say have been:


Chelsea (H) - Late winning goal beats him from a ridiculous angle.

Liverpool (H) - Through ball that should be claimed, in a previous life he'd have been on it without a thought, instead rooted to his line and goal is scored.

Arsenal (A) x2 - Personally thought he was slow and/or made to look silly on both goals. There's at least one error here.

Stoke (H) - Gifts them a late consolation goal flapping at a corner.

Southampton (H) x2 - Errors for both goals. Fluffs saving a shot, and flaps at a corner.

Chelsea (A) - Somehow completely misjudges a cross.

Stoke (A) - Makes a hash of sweeping up.


I'd make that 8 or 9 errors for goals. The official stats if anything are being a bit nice to him.

And there are other games such as Dortmund (A), Man Utd (A), Liverpool (A), Juventus (H) and maybe even WBA (H) and West Ham (H) where he's either made errors unpunished (Utd) or people have criticised some of what he has done eg. going to ground too early and leaving too much of the goal to aim at, and they probably have a point in some cases, but I felt were too subjective to include.

Also note the number of 'big' games there, something that was starting to be noted last season as well (for example the two howlers against Man City).


This post started just purely to try and tally up this season for my own benefit, and of course it doesn't mention the many good things he will have done over the course of a season, but I don't think it's unfair for him to be criticised based on looking back at how his season has gone. These haven't just been mistakes in one area either, there's been shot-stopping ones, aerial mistakes, sweeping up mistakes, etc, and silly ones at that. I think it's hard to argue that there hasn't been a little drop in standards and you do expect a bit more from him given his class, and that he is the captain, senior player, and should be leading from the front - especially on the biggest occasions.

I've long had a slight concern that he isn't a big match player which is surprising considering his experience. This might date back to his error for Sanchez's goal in the NLD that gifted 10 man arsenal a point after Harry's wonder strike.
If might just be a simple case of goalkeeping errors being more costly but I was livid with him for that one (probably in part due to the quality of Harry's goal deserving to win the NLD).

This season it is Chelsea that we are up against as direct rivals and he has gifted them two goals.

It's probably nothing just coincidence and I don't think there's anyone better we could get plus Poch values him highly but hopefully he's working hard to improve as we are going to have more and more big games over the coming years.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

Not even a discussion to be had. He is world class, and there aren't many out there better. He's had a couple of moments, but being a goalkeeper is as much about confidence as everything else. He's 31 - we are at least 2/3 years away about having to think about replacing, and I agree with a previous poster, i'd much rather go out and buy a 24/25 year old who's played x amount of games for a good fee than worry about it now.

 

[guiltyparty]

Two interesting F365 bits on this.

He was in the Losers section this week:

“As defined by Opta, the list of those making the highest number of errors leading to goals or shots in the Premier league this season is unsurprisingly dominated by goalkeepers. Petr Cech sits top with 13, but next comes Hugo Lloris on 12. Just because he does many excellent things does not mean that we should ignore Lloris’ mistakes. They are becoming a habit.”

Then they have ranked him as 9th Best keeper in the league this season (he was top last season):

“If you listen to Garth Crooks, then you might think that Tottenham’s impressive run is in spite of the “shambolic displays” of their keeper. It is true, Lloris has not maintained the performance levels that earned him top spot in last year’s list, but he remains one of the best in the Premier League. Lloris has kept out 70 per cent of the shots he has faced – down from 76 per cent last year – and that remains the fourth-best figure in the division. He is behind only Ederson for sweeping up behind his defence and the France captain is still a key figure in what Mauricio Pochettino is looking to achieve at Spurs.”

 

[dondo]

Not even a discussion to be had. He is world class, and there aren't many out there better. He's had a couple of moments, but being a goalkeeper is as much about confidence as everything else. He's 31 - we are at least 2/3 years away about having to think about replacing, and I agree with a previous poster, i'd much rather go out and buy a 24/25 year old who's played x amount of games for a good fee than worry about it now.

I’m sorry but Lloris is not world class. I’ve always thought he was a good keeper that made great saves not a great keeper.
I’m not suggesting he should be dropped or sold in the summer but he is costing us goals on a regular basis atm and if this continues next season his place should come under threat imo

 

[RicOfPeace]

We are now too good for our keeper to be overworked. Ill admit he hasnt made the unbelievable saves as much as last season but he hasnt faced as many to save

But you can tell he clearly offers alot to the team off the pitch that no other keeper can do

Plus he hasn't made massive howlers. His biggest howler was probably misjudging the cross for the morata goal

Yeah except every time we seem to play Manchester City he seems to gift them goals (too many to count) Kieran Gibbs at the scum, Sanchez when we should have beat the scum slips through his butter fingers, Alonso at the near post first home game of the season heck actually how many times has he been beaten at his near post? Morata, Stoke etc etc I could go on but hey apparently Lloris is untouchable even though in reality he has made more errors per season than a so called Clown called Gomes but hey whatever suits your agenda.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i think gazzaniga figures in pochettino's plans more than most like to believe, we didn't pay 4m and sign him to a five year contract to be a 3rd choice keeper in the long-term or to flog him after a year.

 

[onthetwo]

i believe gazzaniga figures in pochettino's plans more than most like to believe, we didn't pay 4m and sign him to a five year contract to be a 3rd choice keeper in the long-term or to flog him after a year.

and he was excellent against Soton (IIRC) when called upon....i say let the goalies duke it out in pre-season.

 

[Hengy1]

and he was excellent against Soton (IIRC) when called upon....i say let the goalies duke it out in pre-season.

It was Crystal Palace at Wembley

 

[allatsea]

Not even a discussion to be had. .

Might as well close down SC then.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

Might as well close down SC then.

By that premise maybe we should discuss replacing Poch as well. He's had some moments this season where his decision making has been poor.

 

[kaz Hirai]

He's only 31, just been a bit unsteady at times. But He's also made some crazy good saves, Liverpool sticks in the mind especially.

Think he'll be a starter for 2 or 3 seasons still , and I think they'll be less wild errors.

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

i think gazzaniga figures in pochettino's plans more than most like to believe, we didn't pay 4m and sign him to a five year contract to be a 3rd choice keeper in the long-term or to flog him after a year.

I wouldn't be surprised, he is 6 foot 5, can pass the ball with both feet very well and does have quick reactions just not so much of a sweeper which is what Toni is probably working on with him

 

[bubble07]

Yeah except every time we seem to play Manchester City he seems to gift them goals (too many to count) Kieran Gibbs at the scum, Sanchez when we should have beat the scum slips through his butter fingers, Alonso at the near post first home game of the season heck actually how many times has he been beaten at his near post? Morata, Stoke etc etc I could go on but hey apparently Lloris is untouchable even though in reality he has made more errors per season than a so called Clown called Gomes but hey whatever suits your agenda.

Gomes was throwing balls in his own net

 

[dondo]

By that premise maybe we should discuss replacing Poch as well. He's had some moments this season where his decision making has been poor.

Stupid argument really every player,manager will make mistakes.
Lloris has been poor for a while now, if our results drop and we end up mid table next season Pochettino job will probably be under threat too.
Tottenham are bigger than any player if any players are no longer performing to the required standard for a prolonged period of time their place should be under threat surely??

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Stupid argument really every player,manager will make mistakes.
Lloris has been poor for a while now, if our results drop and we end up mid table next season Pochettino job will probably be under threat too.
Tottenham are bigger than any player if any players are no longer performing to the required standard for a prolonged period of time their place should be under threat surely??

It's worth remembering the only place he's been 'poor for a while now' is on SC and its massive over analysis over everything.

You can bet both your bollocks and your wife tits that those who know what they are doing don't think that.

 

[dondo]

It's worth remembering the only place he's been 'poor for a while now' is on SC and its massive over analysis over everything.

You can bet both your bollocks and your wife tits that those who know what they are doing don't think that.

No he has been poor in goal, hence the amount of goals conceded lately that have been his fault.
Pochettino will back him to get through this poor patch and rightly so but it is most certainly a poor patch

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

No he has been poor in goal, hence the amount of goals conceded lately that have been his fault.
Pochettino will back him to get through this poor patch and rightly so but it is most certainly a poor patch

The amount of goals he’s conceded lately that have been his fault is precisely what exists only in some people’s minds. The number isn't anywhere near what's being suggested which in turn means this 'poor patch' is also nowhere near the problem people are making it out to be. So no, he hasn't been 'poor' in the sense or extent that's being suggested.

 

[dondo]

The amount of goals he’s conceded lately that have been his fault is precisely what exists only in some people’s minds. The number isn't anywhere near what's being suggested which in turn means this 'poor patch' is also nowhere near the problem people are making it out to be. So no, he hasn't been 'poor' in the sense or extent that's being suggested.

As someone posted earlier in this thread that Lloris has made 12 errors leading to goals or shots on goal this season and that is the 2nd worst throughout the whole league.
So it’s not just in my mind that Lloris standard has dropped.
Like everyone else I hope Lloris gets through this and gets back to the Lloris of 18 months ago

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

As someone posted earlier in this thread that Lloris has made 12 errors leading to goals or shots on goal this season and that is the 2nd worst throughout the whole league.
So it’s not just in my mind that Lloris standard has dropped.
Like everyone else I hope Lloris gets through this and gets back to the Lloris of 18 months ago

OK that's two of you

Seriously, that's exactly what I mean. Someone posts a list and suddenly it's gospel, most of those goals either weren't glaring errors or even actually down to him. I'm not saying he's been perfect or is having his best season, I'm saying it's all very very VERY over the top and isn't anywhere near as big an issue some would have us believe.

 

[tiger666]

As someone posted earlier in this thread that Lloris has made 12 errors leading to goals or shots on goal this season

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