Player Watch: Juan Foyth

[Tottenhamboy85]

In my next sentence I say « particularly for a CB ». He doesn’t need to reach their level to have elite abilities on the ball for a CB.

Also you’re comparing 21 year old Foyth with peak level Xavi and Modric?
What was Carrick like two years before he moved to us when he was still at West Ham?
What was Modric like two years before he moved to us and had barely featured for Dinamo Zagreb?
Have a word with yourself and give the boy time. The same time that was afforded some of the best players you could think of on a Sunday morning. Joker

Use your words wisely then.

A unreal talent means elite he’s definitely not that. He’s not even Toby or Verts levels.

Now if you put a good prospect you would’ve got a different response ??

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Use your words wisely then.

A unreal talent means elite he’s definitely not that. He’s not even Toby or Verts levels.

Now if you put a good prospect you would’ve got a different response ??

You're mugging yourself off, quit while you're ahead.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

It clearly states for a central defender - reading comprehension is your friend.

Okay I’ll a mend my players

He’s not even Toby, Verts or stones levels of talent on the ball.

 

[razzmaster]

He is clearly talented but is prone to errors and rash challenges.

Some young players grow out of these traits, others never do.

It's too soon to know which way Foyth will go but right now i don't think he can be relied upon.

A squad place next season, covering right back, centre back and even defensive mid is probably the right step in his development.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Okay I’ll a mend my players

He’s not even Toby, Verts or stones levels of talent on the ball.

Keep digging.

 

[ardiles]

What about players who make huge errors of judgement every time they play which almost always lead to a bad result, who then get sent off two minutes after coming on in a must win match where we are already a man down?

The amount of mistakes this kid has made in very few games is spectacular.

There are a lot more players in the squad that needs replacing before Foyth.

We need to give him the time and proper footballing education. Poch was a defender, so I’m trusting him to improve the boy.

 

[EastLondonYid]

There are a lot more players in the squad that needs replacing before Foyth.

We need to give him the time and proper footballing education. Poch was a defender, so I’m trusting him to improve the boy.

I agree he should be given a chance, but not next season if we are serious about really challenging the very top.
He needs to be loaned out at a decent level in the Premier league, a mid table side, where he would play consistantly at a level where we can really judge if he is good enough to play for us.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Of course he needs to cut out the rash challenges. I said that. It will come with maturity.

Does Laporte’s physique worry you or is that an easy trope?

Stop being defensive; I wasn’t finding faults with your post. Some players struggle to maintain equilibrium in intense moments which can have profoundly negative effects , especially in high stakes games like yesterday. If he can’t control his responses in these stressful situations, he’ll lose the trust of his managers, especially at the highest level where finer margins result in greater rewards. @BringBack_leGin would probably admit he was overcome with disappointment when he posted his emotively flavoured critique yesterday, but the observation he made was a very important one. Foyth has done this kind of things several times this season- it wasn’t a new and uncharacteristic behaviour.

He had a simple job to do yesterday, deputise for Toby in a game we really should have won, or at least not lost. And he failed in the most amateurish way possible, leaving us with nine players to exhaust themselves for 40 odd minutes with a CL semifinal looming on Wednesday. It was probably the worst outcome imaginable for us, and it was totally preventable

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I agree he should be given a chance, but not next season if we are serious about really challenging the very top.
He needs to be loaned out at a decent level in the Premier league, a mid table side, where he would play consistantly at a level where we can really judge if he is good enough to play for us.

Exactly this. He needs to get his head right and experience will hopefully give him this but he’s currently too unpredictable for us

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Everyone is an expert.

If he is sent out on loan next season we're going to need two central defenders, people just want to create more and more holes in this squad.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Everyone is an expert.

If he is sent out on loan next season we're going to need two central defenders, people just want to create more and more holes in this squad.

He left a rather big hole in our defence yesterday.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

He left a rather big hole in our defence yesterday.

And my heart, which is fucked enough as it is

 

[Deleted member 27995]

He left a rather big hole in our defence yesterday.

No doubt, but then again you want to ship him out on loan yet he had Sterling in his back pocket for the majority of the game at the Ethiad and barely put a foot wrong. Same the week before when he came on against West Ham.

Horses for courses.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Everyone is an expert.

If he is sent out on loan next season we're going to need two central defenders, people just want to create more and more holes in this squad.

We need quality not just numbers, i wouldnt trust him to play for us if we had a long term injury next season, not the way he is now, I do hope he can one day develop into that player, but he isn't ready imo to be relied on atm, a squad player should be trusted to play long term not the odd game, would you rely on him to do a long term job?

 

[LeParisien]

Stop being defensive; I wasn’t finding faults with your post. Some players struggle to maintain equilibrium in intense moments which can have profoundly negative effects , especially in high stakes games like yesterday. If he can’t control his responses in these stressful situations, he’ll lose the trust of his managers, especially at the highest level where finer margins result in greater rewards. @BringBack_leGin would probably admit he was overcome with disappointment when he posted his emotively flavoured critique yesterday, but the observation he made was a very important one. Foyth has done this kind of things several times this season- it wasn’t a new and uncharacteristic behaviour.

He had a simple job to do yesterday, deputise for Toby in a game we really should have won, or at least not lost. And he failed in the most amateurish way possible, leaving us with nine players to exhaust themselves for 40 odd minutes with a CL semifinal looming on Wednesday. It was probably the worst outcome imaginable for us, and it was totally preventable

I will say two things. The first is that this sort of behaviour is consistent with weak impulse control. The team is clearly either stressed or tired or both at the moment. That’s why Son behaved as he did - and he is one of the more experienced leaders in the squad. He has performed in big games, captained his country and is a Korean icon. Yet if we were one or two up as we should have been then he would probably not have behaved as he did. Even the biggest players will succumb to this - remember Gerard’s 38s cameo having been brought on at halftime against United ?

To come back to Foyth - he is a kid and therefore least likely to manage his emotions under pressure. He will be feeding off the group dynamic which doesn’t seem to be healthy at the moment.

The second thing I want to say is that Foyth has managed himself well in some big (city and Chelsea?) games and not in others (Wolves and Bournemouth). Hes done fine in fact against bigger teams. It’s true that the m sample size is small but the kind of emotional responses we have seen are counterproductive. You expect inconsistency from young players and it is only with game time that they learn to manage themselves emotionally as well as tactically and technically.

Conclusion - people should criticise Foyth for yesterday as much as they want but they should not be drawing wider conclusions about his character.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I will say two things. The first is that this sort of behaviour is consistent with weak impulse control. The team is clearly either stressed or tired or both at the moment. That’s why Son behaved as he did - and he is one of the more experienced leaders in the squad. He has performed in big games, captained his country and is a Korean icon. Yet if we were one or two up as we should have been then he would probably not have behaved as he did. Even the biggest players will succumb to this - remember Gerard’s 38s cameo having been brought on at halftime against United ?

To come back to Foyth - he is a kid and therefore least likely to manage his emotions under pressure. He will be feeding off the group dynamic which doesn’t seem to be healthy at the moment.

The second thing I want to say is that Foyth has managed himself well in some big (city and Chelsea?) games and not in others (Wolves and Bournemouth). Hes done fine in fact against bigger teams. It’s true that the m sample size is small but the kind of emotional responses we have seen are counterproductive. You expect inconsistency from young players and it is only with game time that they learn to manage themselves emotionally as well as tactically and technically.

Conclusion - people should criticise Foyth for yesterday as much as they want but they should not be drawing wider conclusions about his character.

It’s the nature of the fuck up that matters. Son was wrong but antagonised more than once. Foyth has no excuse beyond losing the ball deep in the opposition half. There’s stressors that most players will succumb to to varying degrees and then there’s full blown stupidity. Foyth’s response was the latter

 

[Japhet]

It’s the nature of the fuck up that matters. Son was wrong but antagonised more than once. Foyth has no excuse beyond losing the ball deep in the opposition half. There’s stressors that most players will succumb to to varying degrees and then there’s full blown stupidity. Foyth’s response was the latter

i would imagine though that Poch fired them right up at half time and pitched Foyth into a tetchy game. He had a rush of blood to the head and fucked up. Calls to get rid of him are quite frankly a bit pathetc.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We need quality not just numbers, i wouldnt trust him to play for us if we had a long term injury next season, not the way he is now, I do hope he can one day develop into that player, but he isn't ready imo to be relied on atm, a squad player should be trusted to play long term not the odd game, would you rely on him to do a long term job?

I'd prefer he stay with us and we take the lumps/rough with the smooth, to answer your question as he is right at this moment then no. I'd hope (in my opinion) his potential would be realised with us under the tutelage of Poch and the coaches.

 

[LeParisien]

It’s the nature of the fuck up that matters. Son was wrong but antagonised more than once. Foyth has no excuse beyond losing the ball deep in the opposition half. There’s stressors that most players will succumb to to varying degrees and then there’s full blown stupidity. Foyth’s response was the latter

On the face of it you’re right, of course. But that strips away all context.

Son has had a week off and has more legs than anyone. The team is relying on him as a main source of goals and attacking threat in order to wrap up top 4 before our biggest game in a long time.

Foyth is a kid who no one is turning to for leadership. The atmosphere at halftime must have been thick in the away dressing room. The team emerges without three of its biggest leaders on the pitch who started the game. He comes out stressed and fucks up.

It’s not THAT obvious who has messed up more. Both thoroughly preventable and Son has failed to show the kind of leadership you would expect from a senior member of the squad in an important and winnable game ..

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

i would imagine though that Poch fired them right up at half time and pitched Foyth into a tetchy game. He had a rush of blood to the head and fucked up. Calls to get rid of him are quite frankly a bit pathetc.

He fucked up massivley. No point blaming anyone else- he’s a professional footballer.

I’m not sure if he’s good enough for us. Time will tell, as ever. But he sure as fuck isn’t ready to replace Toby