Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

[spurs9]

Trippier is not irreplaceable but from your own stats he has created more chances than any other defender in the league this season.

It’s clear he offers a lot going forward.

The link he posted has 9 Full Backs that have created more chances.

 

[Shadydan]

The link he posted has 9 Full Backs that have created more chances.

I don't see your point?

18 chances created in total makes him the highest chance creator I'm the league for a defender, it's obvious why he gets picked.

 

[Shadydan]

Trippier is not irreplaceable but from your own stats he has created more chances than any other defender in the league this season.

It’s clear he offers a lot going forward.

Yup I'd prefer Aurier or would like to see KWP given a run out but people are just misinterpreting these stats just to suit their agenda.

I reckon with the absence of Alli and Eriksen we are struggling to create chances which is why he was picked, with them two back now it will be interesting to see if he's still getting matches.

 

[LeParisien]

The link he posted has 9 Full Backs that have created more chances.

Nope - that’s from open play.

Scroll right and filter by chances created.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Nope - that’s from open play.

Scroll right and filter by chances created.

Right, but that is simply because Trippier takes free kicks and Corners.

As a FB, he ranks 51st in the league in creating chances from his position.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think Trippier ranks 2nd in total crosses, yet 51st in chances created.

He is getting his numbers through quantity, not quality.

 

[Shadydan]

lol I've heard it all now...What difference does it make if he's creating chances through open play or set pieces? The last time I checked set pieces are a legit method to score goals and if we have a player who is very good at them then it makes sense to use their ability as a weapon.

Nonetheless he's our 3rd highest chance creator from open play...Misinterpret the stats all you like it couldn't be more obvious why he's in the team.

 

[wrd]

lol I've heard it all now...What difference does it make if he's creating chances through open play or set pieces? The last time I checked set pieces are a legit method to score goals and if we have a player who is very good at them then it makes sense to use their ability as a weapon.

Nonetheless he's our 3rd highest chance creator from open play...Misinterpret the stats all you like it couldn't be more obvious why he's in the team.

But at the same time it couldn't be more obvious why several posters don't think he should be starting these types of games because we have conceded, not just chances but goals because of his defensive inefficiencies. He's a defender, his job first and foremost is about keeping the ball out of our net. If we want to take advantage of his attacking prowess then we need to switch formation to limit his obvious weaknesses.

 

[Shadydan]

But at the same time it couldn't be more obvious why several posters don't think he should be starting these types of games because we have conceded, not just chances but goals because of his defensive inefficiencies. He's a defender, his job first and foremost is about keeping the ball out of our net. If we want to take advantage of his attacking prowess then we need to switch formation to limit his obvious weaknesses.

Yeah I get all that, take him out the team we concede less and look more solid at the back but at the same time we suffer going forward. All I'm saying is use a bit of perspective here, I'm fairy sure that Poch is fully aware of his defensive frailties and can see he's a liability at the back but at the same time he's most probably looking at his ability going forward and his chance creation stats and weighing them up thinking at a risk of putting the defence in danger he's undoubtedly helping the team create chances.

I agree that he should only be used in a back 5, unfortunately our midfield is so bad right now that playing a back 5 is totally out of the question.

 

[LeParisien]

Right, but that is simply because Trippier takes free kicks and Corners.

As a FB, he ranks 51st in the league in creating chances from his position.

That’s not right. He ranks 51st creating chances from open play for any player in any position.

The fact he’s good at set pieces is surely a plus not a minus?

I think Trippier ranks 2nd in total crosses, yet 51st in chances created.

He is getting his numbers through quantity, not quality.

However this is a good point. He is actually 1st for total crosses and so this sees to suggest he is not so accurate.

Historically he does very well for chances created however so let’s see over a longer period of time.

 

[wrd]

Yeah I get all that, take him out the team we concede less and look more solid at the back but at the same time we suffer going forward. All I'm saying is use a bit of perspective here, I'm fairy sure that Poch is fully aware of his defensive frailties and can see he's a liability at the back but at the same time he's most probably looking at his ability going forward and his chance creation stats and weighing them up thinking at a risk of putting the defence in danger he's undoubtedly helping the team create chances.

I agree that he should only be used in a back 5, unfortunately our midfield is so bad right now that playing a back 5 is totally out of the question.

Yeah plus vert is out so back 3 is almost completely out of the question, I agree with everything you're saying which is why I feel it's the games vs the likes of City and Liverpool where he shouldn't start because defensive responsibility trumps chance creation in these fixtures as evidenced by the fact he started but we created few chances regardless. Against pretty much every other team in the league I'm open to taking the risk.

 

[Shadydan]

Yeah plus vert is out so back 3 is almost completely out of the question, I agree with everything you're saying which is why I feel it's the games vs the likes of City and Liverpool where he shouldn't start because defensive responsibility trumps chance creation in these fixtures as evidenced by the fact he started but we created few chances regardless. Against pretty much every other team in the league I'm open to taking the risk.

I think it can work against bigger teams if we have Sissoko playing in front of him, I know we conceded from his side against City but for the most part it looked okay and a bit more solid, work in progress and all that. I think there's space to be had against bigger sides as they normally send their left backs up and take more risks going forward.

But yeah I've been championing Aurier for some time now, always said that this is the year where he'll start to come good and he was looking decent before his injury, hope he plays tonight and carries on from where he left off.

 

[wrd]

I think it can work against bigger teams if we have Sissoko playing in front of him, I know we conceded from his side against City but for the most part it looked okay and a bit more solid, work in progress and all that. I think there's space to be had against bigger sides as they normally send their left backs up and take more risks going forward.

But yeah I've been championing Aurier for some time now, always said that this is the year where he'll start to come good and he was looking decent before his injury, hope he plays tonight and carries on from where he left off.

Well what I wanted was Aurier doubling up with Sissoko, from what I've heard they have a decent understanding, Sissoko for me as limited as he is, does bring something to the team as evidenced on Monday in terms of defensive solidity and great runs to link up defence and attack. I think Aurier really needs a run of games now, he came in late last season and didn't get pre-season so fingers crossed he can kick on.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

All those stats are bollox although certain stats do not lie, goals per game etc

Watch the game don't look at subjective data that someone has ticked a box for

Chances created, shots on target blah blah blah. Championship Manager and Playstation bunkum. This is not a video game

 

[Shadydan]

All those stats are bollox although certain stats do not lie, goals per game etc

Watch the game don't look at subjective data that someone has ticked a box for

Chances created, shots on target blah blah blah. Championship Manager and Playstation bunkum. This is not a video game

Contradiction alert...

Watch the game and you will see those stats you don't like being played out in real time, stats are recorded just to give an official count of an action on the field.

Certain stats do not lie

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Contradiction alert...

Watch the game and you will see those stats you don't like being played out in real time, stats are recorded just to give an official count of an action on the field.

Certain stats do not lie

A 1 yard backpass to a teammate under no pressure is bollocks in relation to pass completions and how well someone passes a ball

A shot on target that trickles to a goalkeeper more like a backpass is not a shot on target that has any relevance to a teams attacking threat

I could go on and on. Most stats are bollox because they are diluted with actions which tick a box but have no relevance

What is the definition of "a chance"? A cast iron chance, a good chance, a half chance, a little chance, not really a proper chance, a chance created more by the brilliance of the receiver!!!

I know what I mean

 

[Shadydan]

A 1 yard backpass to a teammate under no pressure is bollocks in relation to pass completions and how well someone passes a ball

A shot on target that trickles to a goalkeeper more like a backpass is not a shot on target that has any relevance to a teams attacking threat

I could go on and on. Most stats are bollox because they are diluted with actions which tick a box but have no relevance

I know what I mean

Agreed they need to be taken into context but Trippier's stats should be taken as that. If he's created 18 chances this season alone (11 for those who for whatever reason want to downplay his stats) means just that, nothing else.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Agreed they need to be taken into context but Trippier's stats should be taken as that. If he's created 18 chances this season alone (11 for those who for whatever reason want to downplay his stats) means just that, nothing else.

Who defines "a chance" is all I'm saying

I saw AL put some amazing balls into the box but due to our incompetence didnt result in a chance. Putting a rubbish ball into the box which luckily lands at the feet or head of a teammate constitutes a chance created but in reality It might have been a mishit or misdirected cross

For me it is like Goalline technology etc. Certain tecknology is 100% accurate which is not up for discussion or dispute. Other forms are very debatable

 

[Shadydan]

Who defines "a chance" is all I'm saying

I saw AL put some amazing balls into the box but due to our incompetence didnt result in a chance. Putting a rubbish ball into the box which luckily lands at the feet or head of a teammate constitutes a chance created but in reality It might have been a mishit or misdirected cross

For me it is like Goalline technology etc. Certain tecknology is 100% accurate which is not up for discussion or dispute. Other forms are very debatable

According to Squawka:

Chances created = key passes + assists Key Passes = a pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity.

Obviously not all stats will be 100% accurate but there must be some sort of algorithm they use to determine these stats.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

According to Squawka:

Chances created = key passes + assists Key Passes = a pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity.

Obviously not all stats will be 100% accurate but there must be some sort of algorithm they use to determine these stats.

Cheers for that. Clear as mud now. Need to stop, my head hurts!