Player Watch Player Watch - Lucas Moura

[Wig]

Some great stats on Lucas Moura on sky sports article
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ra-and-harry-winks-will-boost-tottenham-squad

"He has been involved in eight goals in his eight starts in all competitions for Spurs (four goals and four assists)"

He's brought a whole new threat to our front line and it will be exciting to see if he continue his form and hopefully develop further over the season

 

[Vincent30]

But Zaha isn't anywhere near Son for consistency and Son is a better finisher than him as well. That's the whole point of buying Moura because he brings to the team what Zaha brings so having them both in the team wouldn't make sense especially the way we play.

Son is an overall better player than Zaha, I don't know how you can say that Son is a squad player and make out Zaha would walk straight into this team especially the way Son has performed in the last few seasons.

We all have different opinions as my previous post suggests, 4 agreed, 3 disliked so this opinion does massively split opinion on here and that's the beauty of a forum.

We can argue that when we have a fully strength starting 11, Son isn't in it. I don't think many people will say he is? More consistent.... i'm not too sure you can really say that. Palace without Zaha statically nearly lose all their games, with Zaha they are a lot better and a lot more of a threat. I would be very surprsied if Son had that impact on their team if you replaced him with Zaha.

I'm not sure you can say he is more consistent, as with Palace he is one of their best players most games, Tottenham and Palace are two different beasts so consistency between the players is a challenge. I know from watching Tottenham Son is very hit and miss, if he doesn't score, he doesn't really do anything.

Why are we only allowed one player like Moura in our team / squad?

Liverpool have Mane and Salah (plus Shaqiri to a degree)
Chelsea have Willian, Pedro and Hazard
United have Martial, Sanchez, Rashford
City have Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Mahrez


We only really have Moura who can beat a player and Son who is quite quick. If Moura gets injured we lose that explosive pace and no one else, including Son can really beat a player that well in our team. That is why i would take Zaha over Son in our squad and first team. The reason we haven't won anything be it a cup or really got close the league for me has been pace with quality, our defence and midfield has been extremely solid, yes people want that passing CM (Winks has that potential), but without this pace, these runners, you won't ever get the best of this 'passing CM'.

Finally with Moura we have one player that can do that, Son has never done what Moura just did at Old Trafford as much as he is a good player, for me he lacks that ability to beat and stretch a team and that's why Zaha would be a great second option or someone similar - Marital, Leon Baily etc etc.

Devastating pace with the creativity we have in this team of Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Winks, Toby would be beautiful and we are starting to just see a preview of it.

Forgot to add, overall Son is a better player in what aspects? Zaha is quicker, stronger, better at beating players, gets fouled far more often in dangerous positions. You can't compare assists / goals with a team in the top 3 versus a team in the bottom half. I never said Zaha would walk into the team, i just said Moura and Zaha feeding off of Kane and the likes of Eriksen or Lamela would be delicious.

 

[danielneeds]

We all have different opinions as my previous post suggests, 4 agreed, 3 disliked so this opinion does massively split opinion on here and that's the beauty of a forum.

We can argue that when we have a fully strength starting 11, Son isn't in it. I don't think many people will say he is? More consistent.... i'm not too sure you can really say that. Palace without Zaha statically nearly lose all their games, with Zaha they are a lot better and a lot more of a threat. I would be very surprsied if Son had that impact on their team if you replaced him with Zaha.

I'm not sure you can say he is more consistent, as with Palace he is one of their best players most games, Tottenham and Palace are two different beasts so consistency between the players is a challenge. I know from watching Tottenham Son is very hit and miss, if he doesn't score, he doesn't really do anything.

Why are we only allowed one player like Moura in our team / squad?

Liverpool have Mane and Salah (plus Shaqiri to a degree)
Chelsea have Willian, Pedro and Hazard
United have Martial, Sanchez, Rashford
City have Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Mahrez


We only really have Moura who can beat a player and Son who is quite quick. If Moura gets injured we lose that explosive pace and no one else, including Son can really beat a player that well in our team. That is why i would take Zaha over Son in our squad and first team. The reason we haven't won anything be it a cup or really got close the league for me has been pace with quality, our defence and midfield has been extremely solid, yes people want that passing CM (Winks has that potential), but without this pace, these runners, you won't ever get the best of this 'passing CM'.

Finally with Moura we have one player that can do that, Son has never done what Moura just did at Old Trafford as much as he is a good player, for me he lacks that ability to beat and stretch a team and that's why Zaha would be a great second option or someone similar - Marital, Leon Baily etc etc.

Devastating pace with the creativity we have in this team of Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Winks, Toby would be beautiful and we are starting to just see a preview of it.

Forgot to add, overall Son is a better player in what aspects? Zaha is quicker, stronger, better at beating players, gets fouled far more often in dangerous positions. You can't compare assists / goals with a team in the top 3 versus a team in the bottom half. I never said Zaha would walk into the team, i just said Moura and Zaha feeding off of Kane and the likes of Eriksen or Lamela would be delicious.

I love Zaha, and was well up for signing him, but you cannot just dismiss that Son has been as far more productive player right through his career compared to him. There are plenty of other reasons why Zaha has not been consistently productive than the club he plays for - his decision making has been erratic at best, and poor at worst. Although he seems to be finally cutting out the excess tricks and flicks and getting into better areas.

 

[spids]

I do rate Zaha and would have been happy if we'd signed him, but I'd rather have kept Toby and kept the space free for Moura to flourish.

 

[Shadydan]

We all have different opinions as my previous post suggests, 4 agreed, 3 disliked so this opinion does massively split opinion on here and that's the beauty of a forum.

We can argue that when we have a fully strength starting 11, Son isn't in it. I don't think many people will say he is? More consistent.... i'm not too sure you can really say that. Palace without Zaha statically nearly lose all their games, with Zaha they are a lot better and a lot more of a threat. I would be very surprsied if Son had that impact on their team if you replaced him with Zaha.

Son started 27 matches last season, came off the bench for 10 of them - played in 37 matches...That suggests to me that he's very much in our full strength starting 11. If you're talking about here and now after Lucas' performance against Man Utd then I believe he will be on the bench when he returns but if hypothetically speaking if we had Zaha in the squad he'd be on the bench as well for our next match so I'm not sure I understand your point?

Also, yes he is more consistent than Zaha, apart from his first season where he was bedding in he's consistently hit double figures for us, as he was doing so for Leverkusen, that's what I'm talking about playing at a consistent level. Zaha hasn't once hit double figures for Palace yet in the league or across all comps.

If you look at the comparison matrix, Son pretty much trumps him in the key stats.

http://www2.squawka.com/comparison-...ul_take_ons/interceptions/possession_score#90

I'm not sure you can say he is more consistent, as with Palace he is one of their best players most games, Tottenham and Palace are two different beasts so consistency between the players is a challenge. I know from watching Tottenham Son is very hit and miss, if he doesn't score, he doesn't really do anything.

That's not true, Son still affects matches when he's not scoring, he takes defenders on (not will the same skill level or success as Zaha does) nonetheless he's constantly putting defences and defenders on the back foot, the stats I posted up there alludes to that, he is just much more involved offensively and defensively. If he 'wasn't really doing anything' other than scoring than Poch wouldn't play him, bit of a strange comment that...

You watch Son for 90 mins week in week out and I very much doubt you follow Zaha with the same amount of scrutiny so therefore you have a bias against him. People always say this If Son was playing for a lesser team and doing similar things as he's doing for Spurs the chances are that we'd be clamoring for him. I watch Zaha now and then and he's still completely frustrating, against Watford he drifted in and out of the match, he was on the periphery of matches it until he came up with a bit of magic, that's the type of player that he is.

Why are we only allowed one player like Moura in our team / squad?

Liverpool have Mane and Salah (plus Shaqiri to a degree)
Chelsea have Willian, Pedro and Hazard
United have Martial, Sanchez, Rashford
City have Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Mahrez

Because you're the one making a direct either/or comparison between Zaha and Son, you didn't say anything about having him in the squad as an extra player.

Look I'm not against bringing in Zaha but a) Palace wanted £75m and that was before he signed a new contract and b) it's kind of pointless now, we were looking at bringing someone in with pace for a long time and we found Lucas. Having another player in our squad to play in the forward positions is overkill especially at that price and presumably Poch thinks the same thing hence us backing off him.

We only really have Moura who can beat a player and Son who is quite quick. If Moura gets injured we lose that explosive pace and no one else, including Son can really beat a player that well in our team. That is why i would take Zaha over Son in our squad and first team. The reason we haven't won anything be it a cup or really got close the league for me has been pace with quality, our defence and midfield has been extremely solid, yes people want that passing CM (Winks has that potential), but without this pace, these runners, you won't ever get the best of this 'passing CM'.

If Moura gets injured, that old doomsday scenario, never gets old that one.

Same thing I always say when people bring this up...do you suggest we just spend big money on players just in case another one gets injured, unless we're Man City who can afford to bring in top players and pay them massive wages then that business model isn't feasible for us.

Saying that we would have won something with pace is one thing but you cannot prove that we'd have got closer to winning anything if we had someone like Zaha particularly hypothetically if he was in place of Son, that's a reach.

Finally with Moura we have one player that can do that, Son has never done what Moura just did at Old Trafford as much as he is a good player, for me he lacks that ability to beat and stretch a team and that's why Zaha would be a great second option or someone similar - Marital, Leon Baily etc etc.

Devastating pace with the creativity we have in this team of Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Winks, Toby would be beautiful and we are starting to just see a preview of it.

Forgot to add, overall Son is a better player in what aspects? Zaha is quicker, stronger, better at beating players, gets fouled far more often in dangerous positions. You can't compare assists / goals with a team in the top 3 versus a team in the bottom half. I never said Zaha would walk into the team, i just said Moura and Zaha feeding off of Kane and the likes of Eriksen or Lamela would be delicious.

Have a look at the comparison's matrix I posted up there, he's a better all rounder, presses better, runs the channels better, I think he has a better mentailty as well, he scores more goals - by the way that's something that shouldn't be overlooked, if you have a player who is constantly hitting double figures who isn't your main striker that's priceless.

Zaha is nowhere near the finished article, if he was he would have left Palace a long time ago - he's a good player with massive potential which can be unlocked with the right coach, I'm indifferent about him and wouldn't mind him in a Spurs shirt but I just don't see the point, our forward options are pretty much complete at this moment in time and I don't see the point of spending £75m on a player who would be considered back up at this stage. The squad is happy at the moment and it's finely balanced, bringing another player in is only going to upset it.

 

[ralvy]

Okay, this should settle it:

1. Son is probably an smarter player than Zaha because he's asian.

2. But Zaha is a more athletic player than Son because he's black.

2. However, Moura is a better and more skillful footballer than both Son and Zaha because he's Brazilian.

 

[parj]

Okay, this should settle it:

1. Son is probably an smarter player than Zaha because he's asian.

2. But Zaha is a more athletic player than Son because he's black.

2. However, Moura is a better and more skillful footballer than both Son and Zaha because he's Brazilian.

And I'm better at making footballs cos I is brown

 

[Stamford]

Okay, this should settle it:

1. Son is probably an smarter player than Zaha because he's asian.

2. But Zaha is a more athletic player than Son because he's black.

2. However, Moura is a better and more skillful footballer than both Son and Zaha because he's Brazilian.

Racism died today. Thank you sir.

 

[ralvy]

And I'm better at making footballs cos I is brown

Okay, now you're just being racist.

 

[Chris Flynn]

Yeah sorry I meant next summer, I like to think ahead lol.

Probably can’t change now as our transfer window close.

Although 9 is also a good shout as seems silly to keep leaving it empty and Anderton wore it for quite a few years for us.

I think Anderton still has it he's just been injured for a while

 

[cliff jones]

I think Anderton still has it he's just been injured for a while

I might be wrong but I think I've read something like that before

 

[aussiespursguy]

We all have different opinions as my previous post suggests, 4 agreed, 3 disliked so this opinion does massively split opinion on here and that's the beauty of a forum.

We can argue that when we have a fully strength starting 11, Son isn't in it. I don't think many people will say he is? More consistent.... i'm not too sure you can really say that. Palace without Zaha statically nearly lose all their games, with Zaha they are a lot better and a lot more of a threat. I would be very surprsied if Son had that impact on their team if you replaced him with Zaha.

I'm not sure you can say he is more consistent, as with Palace he is one of their best players most games, Tottenham and Palace are two different beasts so consistency between the players is a challenge. I know from watching Tottenham Son is very hit and miss, if he doesn't score, he doesn't really do anything.

Why are we only allowed one player like Moura in our team / squad?

Liverpool have Mane and Salah (plus Shaqiri to a degree)
Chelsea have Willian, Pedro and Hazard
United have Martial, Sanchez, Rashford
City have Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Mahrez


We only really have Moura who can beat a player and Son who is quite quick. If Moura gets injured we lose that explosive pace and no one else, including Son can really beat a player that well in our team. That is why i would take Zaha over Son in our squad and first team. The reason we haven't won anything be it a cup or really got close the league for me has been pace with quality, our defence and midfield has been extremely solid, yes people want that passing CM (Winks has that potential), but without this pace, these runners, you won't ever get the best of this 'passing CM'.

Finally with Moura we have one player that can do that, Son has never done what Moura just did at Old Trafford as much as he is a good player, for me he lacks that ability to beat and stretch a team and that's why Zaha would be a great second option or someone similar - Marital, Leon Baily etc etc.

Devastating pace with the creativity we have in this team of Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Winks, Toby would be beautiful and we are starting to just see a preview of it.

Forgot to add, overall Son is a better player in what aspects? Zaha is quicker, stronger, better at beating players, gets fouled far more often in dangerous positions. You can't compare assists / goals with a team in the top 3 versus a team in the bottom half. I never said Zaha would walk into the team, i just said Moura and Zaha feeding off of Kane and the likes of Eriksen or Lamela would be delicious.

I would just like to say in the Moura thread i would love to see Sonny play with Lucas and Kane. Zaha plays for Palace so who cares.

 

[piedpiper]

We all have different opinions as my previous post suggests, 4 agreed, 3 disliked so this opinion does massively split opinion on here and that's the beauty of a forum.

We can argue that when we have a fully strength starting 11, Son isn't in it. I don't think many people will say he is? More consistent.... i'm not too sure you can really say that. Palace without Zaha statically nearly lose all their games, with Zaha they are a lot better and a lot more of a threat. I would be very surprsied if Son had that impact on their team if you replaced him with Zaha.

I'm not sure you can say he is more consistent, as with Palace he is one of their best players most games, Tottenham and Palace are two different beasts so consistency between the players is a challenge. I know from watching Tottenham Son is very hit and miss, if he doesn't score, he doesn't really do anything.

Why are we only allowed one player like Moura in our team / squad?

Liverpool have Mane and Salah (plus Shaqiri to a degree)
Chelsea have Willian, Pedro and Hazard
United have Martial, Sanchez, Rashford
City have Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Mahrez


We only really have Moura who can beat a player and Son who is quite quick. If Moura gets injured we lose that explosive pace and no one else, including Son can really beat a player that well in our team. That is why i would take Zaha over Son in our squad and first team. The reason we haven't won anything be it a cup or really got close the league for me has been pace with quality, our defence and midfield has been extremely solid, yes people want that passing CM (Winks has that potential), but without this pace, these runners, you won't ever get the best of this 'passing CM'.

Finally with Moura we have one player that can do that, Son has never done what Moura just did at Old Trafford as much as he is a good player, for me he lacks that ability to beat and stretch a team and that's why Zaha would be a great second option or someone similar - Marital, Leon Baily etc etc.

Devastating pace with the creativity we have in this team of Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Winks, Toby would be beautiful and we are starting to just see a preview of it.

Forgot to add, overall Son is a better player in what aspects? Zaha is quicker, stronger, better at beating players, gets fouled far more often in dangerous positions. You can't compare assists / goals with a team in the top 3 versus a team in the bottom half. I never said Zaha would walk into the team, i just said Moura and Zaha feeding off of Kane and the likes of Eriksen or Lamela would be delicious.

We 3 games into the season consistency is what actually matters. I get the excitement about Moura and i love what he brings to the team. Son has contributed plenty goals and a few motm performances over the last 3 yrs. Son i believe has even outscored Zaha in the PL.

Why not wait to see how Poch integrates both players into the team. It might have an amazing impact.

 

[Jonboy]

Just watched the United mauling for about the 50th time! Lol
Just noticed moura has the exact same celebration as Chrisy Waddle, for the second goal!
Love it

 

[teok]

https://www.football365.com/news/pochettino-lucas-moura-in-a-different-reality

 

[nferno]

don't know how long it's been like this, or if it's just because he had a good week, but he's the header image for the official premier league's twitter account

https://twitter.com/premierleague


Edit 02/09/18: don’t bother looking at what the cover photo is now... ?

 

[mark87]

 

[JCRD]

Ecstatic for him... MY BOI!!!

 

[iddebu52]

Brilliant lad!

 

[JCRD]

I bet Liverscum have already started a petition