Mark_147
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Take him out the team and replace him with Ndombele and you get a lot less work rate and one good performance in 10.
Player Watch Player Watch - Lucas Moura
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If another team is interested, we should definitely look to upgrade on Lucas. Though as someone who has frequently criticized Moura for being ineffective, some times wasteful and guilty of dribbling with his head down, I have a weird feeling that Conte can find a role for him in our team moving forward. He doesn't need to be a starter but he can play a positive part in our overall squad balance. Plus, he works hard and has crazy ability to avoid long term injuries. If we have any plans to challenge on multiple fronts, we'll need squad players like Lucas.
felt we should have done this at half time, The system Conte is having with 3 at the back, it is so important with a central midfielder with technical abilities , we are to static up front with a flat 3.
Should have gone 3-5-2 with Ndombele in the midle of Skip/Hojbjerg as they are not good enough on the ball, not like Ndombele at least
thebenjamin
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Time's up. I'm just done with him.
Just not good enough if we're going to progress. He's undoubtedly of our hardest working players, but it seems to me that sometimes it just looks like he's trying to avoid getting the ball. He can be so explosive, so why doesn't he make himself more playable for him teammates when attacking .Sometimes running toward our ballholder and getting in his way. Playing too tight. Not easy to explain for me, too much to understand. But it's so effing frustrating to describe him.
He could have been so much more.
I understand if people don't share my opinions
I agree with you. It's absolutely amazing that with the money we've spent on attacking players this guy is first choice. He offers a half decent workrate and a decent leap for a small person. Other than that he's almost completely worthless. He cannot pass at all, he takes up strange positions that negate attacking momentum and he has zero goal threat. He has virtually zero attacking qualities.
GutBucket
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One of the best players in the league when it comes to pressing, and of the few attacking players here in good shape which makes him sort of undroppable. Once everyone gets in shape Ndombele or someone else will take his place and formation will change.
Danny1
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Look, there is and always will be a lot of love for Lucas. He clearly loves the club, has had some brilliant moments for us and works really hard.
However if we are all brutally honest, then we would all agree that he shouldn’t be a starter for a side that has even top 6 ambitions. He gives the ball away far too much, and has never been a regular source of goals. He is a player that we can, and should, be upgrading.
However if we are all brutally honest, then we would all agree that he shouldn’t be a starter for a side that has even top 6 ambitions. He gives the ball away far too much, and has never been a regular source of goals. He is a player that we can, and should, be upgrading.
parj
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We got to a champions League final with him, in fact he got us there.
People need to stop blaming players that work hard. Why is Lucas having to work so hard? He works harder than most attacking players so why is he having to do that?
The answers simple, since Dembele left nobody is there to carry the ball forward and transition the ball into attack. Sometimes Lucas takes the responsibility on for that, but when he is in advanced positions, where are the options that are moving or making runs?
Our team just doesn't attack or provide options anymore and thats why players like son and Lucas begin to look ineffective.
sparx100
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Such a frustrating player. Some games he just looks amazing and others he is dog shit.
I really like his ability to receive the ball and drive through the middle, however it is too often followed up by a poor pass or him trying to take on too many players without looking up.
29 years old, I think he is upgradeable as I am not sure how much more he can get coached to become more productive.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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He loses the ball so often and breaks down so many attacks.
It was really obvious today. A few times we put together some nice 1/2 touch passages of play and as soon as it went to Lucas the move immediately broke down.
If we are sticking with 3-4-3 then the RWF position needs upgrading urgently. I’d be looking at Raphinha.
It was really obvious today. A few times we put together some nice 1/2 touch passages of play and as soon as it went to Lucas the move immediately broke down.
If we are sticking with 3-4-3 then the RWF position needs upgrading urgently. I’d be looking at Raphinha.
Yeah I can understand if people don't agree with me, got no problem with that.
Then people can tell the positives he brought to the team today.. For running and effort only? We have not had a single shot on goal in 225 minutes. Speaks for itself, and he's only one of the problems we have.
We as a club cannot relive on the memory of him getting us to the CL final forever. BUT right now we do not seem to have better options. Great squad player. But as a starter? No chance in hell, for me.
Once we get another forward in, he's out of the starting lineup. Mark my words.
I find it strange reading a lot of posts about a lot of players fans want shipped out. We need to have a squad and it cant be black and white when it comes to players. Do I think he should be first choice in a champions league final? depends on the situation and circumstance and the same when it comes to the PL. We need to have a squad of different characteristics and attributes...
I think he should play right or left wing back - given our play is reliant on wing backs etc - and given our best chances today fell to our wing backs, and given that Lucas is pretty rapid, skips past players and leaps like a salmon - and has such a high work rate.
I think he should play right or left wing back - given our play is reliant on wing backs etc - and given our best chances today fell to our wing backs, and given that Lucas is pretty rapid, skips past players and leaps like a salmon - and has such a high work rate.
ralphs bald spot
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But that's the whole point though Lucas has never really been a nailed on starter but compared to the other options he has been head and shoulders above them this season and to be fair to him for all his limitations he puts in a shift in every game he plays which can't be said of the others which is where we find ourselves
tiger666
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We should not have a right footed player at left wing back. I've seen posters saying Bergwijn can play there too, it's nonsense.
ralphs bald spot
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call me old fashioned but I think a wing back has to be able to defend at least a little bit and Lucas isn't suited to that at all you would get horribly exposed
ralphs bald spot
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that really depends - defensively it can work fine especially now that wingers are very much out of fashion and most of them are inverted so your defending on to your stronger foot - the issue is going forward and you lose width but then you have that idea of under lapping which can work -
personally I like to see some width and pace out wide but the idea wide man going past a full back and whipping in a cross is a little lost
PCozzie
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I've defended Lucas a few times in the last couple of weeks, and I'm going to do it again.
In Lucas we have one of probably only two players willing to directly take on an opponent (Ndombele the other). He success rate in doing so is variable from game to game, but this is down to the positions in which he is given the ball as much as his inconsistent form. It is really important to have a player with this skillset. He draws defenders out of position, he wins free kicks and players often get booked bringing him down as he turns and accelerates away.
He can also score goals. Not prolific, but different types. He's surprisingly good in the air from corners (if we manage to beat the first man). His work rate in defence is excellent, something that up to now we've been generally lacking.
He is a player that I absolutely want Conte to work on. We could spend £40m to try to replace him with someone with no better guarantee of success. And he loves the club, he's never wanted away and seems like a genuinely nice bloke.
We shouldn't get carried away with talk of replacing three-quarters of the team in the next two windows. It's not realistic and in any case there are at least half a dozen players that should be out the door before Lucas. This is what we bought Conte in for. Not just to wave fistfuls of notes around, but to raise what we can keep to a different level.
In Lucas we have one of probably only two players willing to directly take on an opponent (Ndombele the other). He success rate in doing so is variable from game to game, but this is down to the positions in which he is given the ball as much as his inconsistent form. It is really important to have a player with this skillset. He draws defenders out of position, he wins free kicks and players often get booked bringing him down as he turns and accelerates away.
He can also score goals. Not prolific, but different types. He's surprisingly good in the air from corners (if we manage to beat the first man). His work rate in defence is excellent, something that up to now we've been generally lacking.
He is a player that I absolutely want Conte to work on. We could spend £40m to try to replace him with someone with no better guarantee of success. And he loves the club, he's never wanted away and seems like a genuinely nice bloke.
We shouldn't get carried away with talk of replacing three-quarters of the team in the next two windows. It's not realistic and in any case there are at least half a dozen players that should be out the door before Lucas. This is what we bought Conte in for. Not just to wave fistfuls of notes around, but to raise what we can keep to a different level.
Agreed - couldnt recall if Moura is right or left footed - all i can think of is his hattrick which was all left foot
theShiznit
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He is good at creating chaos and that's about it. Unfortunately that's as often for us as it is for the opposition.
He has no picture in his head, this is evidenced by the amount of times he turns blind and runs into 3 or 4 opposition players. But because of his hit and miss touch and burst of speed over a short distance he draws people onto him and nicks the ball in front of them.
Afaiac all he is good for is committing men that have dived in on him. His lack of awareness, poor touch and lack of appreciation for a pass are just too great to overcome.
Especially in the position he is currently playing with a WB outside him, constantly coming inside just over the halfway line just limits him even further.
He has no picture in his head, this is evidenced by the amount of times he turns blind and runs into 3 or 4 opposition players. But because of his hit and miss touch and burst of speed over a short distance he draws people onto him and nicks the ball in front of them.
Afaiac all he is good for is committing men that have dived in on him. His lack of awareness, poor touch and lack of appreciation for a pass are just too great to overcome.
Especially in the position he is currently playing with a WB outside him, constantly coming inside just over the halfway line just limits him even further.
