Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[HildoSpur]

I don’t think it should be ‘defined’ by what they’re doing but seeing as they’re a rival and a direct competitor without oil money and in a similar situation to us with a new stadium but build 10+ years before ours the fact that they’ve already spent £175mil and are looking at £60 for Cancelo ao £235mil+

We’ve spent £17mil on Vicario and £40mil on Maddison, so £30mil and £40mil on VDV & Tapspba would bring our spend to still under £150mil so I’m saying money shouldn’t be an issue as to if/why we don’t sign these 2 CB’s / 2 CB’s in general.

We have also bought Kulusevski and Porro this window dont forget, so you can add another 70 million.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Just not true though is it? We did none of that. They at least are going for prem proven targets who arteta has identified to play in a certain way. They’re doing exactly what we should have done under poch but levy failed him.

i don't think the Levy bit is entirely true - Poch who was great for us was on reflection a little to loyal to his boys he didn't want to rock the status quo of his established players and was happy to point out that to improve them was so difficult and he was right looking back at that side you - but even great sides and they were a bloody good side needed some fresh blood but Poch was as resistant to change as anyone - instead we went down the path of trying to buy up and coming players which largely never came off I don't think that was all on Levy

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

We have also bought Kulusevski and Porro this window dont forget, so you can add another 70 million.

They would have surely come out of previous budgets otherwise we spent fuck all in January, can't have it both ways.

Kulu & Porro money should absolutely not affect what we can and cant spend this Summer.

 

[SuperLuka]

But they're not really in a similar situation to us. They are at a completely different point of their rebuild, with different aims, a different squad, and a different owner/risk appetite.

If you are set on comparing us, then it would be more relevant to look at Arteta's first summer window, where they only spent about £70m.

The main lesson to learn from Arsenal is that a proper rebuild will take multiple seasons and that we need to be patient with the process. You can't buy all the players you need in one window.

Not sure anyone is saying we should be following arsenal's transfer strategy they are merely comparing budgets. If we don't try to fix our defense this summer, we will be looking and CBS again next summer at a time when we will likely be looking to buy a very expensive striker.

 

[Trix]

We have also bought Kulusevski and Porro this window dont forget, so you can add another 70 million.

I can see us buying them every window until Enic sell up personally.

 

[FuturistiC123]

Come on boys, In the know Romano says we've made a bid and are negotiating. player has agreed terms. get with it.

 

[rawhide]

We have also bought Kulusevski and Porro this window dont forget, so you can add another 70 million.

We don’t pay the full transfer fee all in one payment. Don’t forget that Deki is something like £6m a year for 5 years.

Levy paid using Klarna.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Defence was our biggest issue last season, we let in 65+ goals!

If we are building for now and the future then we absolutely need 3 quality CB’s, it’s really that simple.

Also Arsenal’s back-up is actually £50mil Ben White not Holding but they were playing him RB last season.

Newcastle have Botman, Schar, Lacelles and Burn who can all play CB and will likely add to that this summer.

Liverpool have VVD, Matip, Gomez, Konate

Man.U have Varane, Martinez, Lindelof, Shaw, Bailey and Maguire!!

3 top CB’s is the minimum we should have.

Newcastle don't have quality back up, and you can't convince me otherwise haha. Man U and Liverpool are ahead us in their rebuilds and can offer european football to keep players happy. Ben White is mainly a right back for Arsenal. He rarely played CB last season. Which shows you how little they rotate in that position.

In an ideal world we have 3 quality defenders but it's just not realistic with the amount of matches we have. Having a settled defence is the bedrock of any good team. The centre back pairing aren't going to be rotated. This means who ever the third quality CB is won't be getting much game time. So when they play they will be lacking rhythm and probably quite demotivated. These players aren't robots. You can't sell them the dream and then bring them to the club to sit on the bench.

As I said, when we have european football again it is easier to rotate and keep everyone fresh, hungry and motivated. But until then having a third choice is more willing to sit on the bench, such as Tosin (who incidently is supposed to be good quality) makes more sense at this point in the rebuild.

 

[bc205]

Not sure anyone is saying we should be following arsenal's transfer strategy they are merely comparing budgets. If we don't try to fix our defense this summer, we will be looking and CBS again next summer at a time when we will likely be looking to buy a very expensive striker.

But it's not as simple as just comparing budgets. That's my point. There are a number of factors that will allow Arsenal to outspend us this summer. Comparing our direct spend to theirs is pointless.

 

[KingNick]

Yes, fans are obsessed with Arsenal because they are Arsenal but they are also the club that are a barometer of what we should be spending based on revenues, success in recent seasons etc.

They are also a number of years ahead of us in terms of our respective post-stadium build eras. (And yes I know we were always told stadium wouldn’t impact transfer business but that was never going to be true)

 

[kd2000]

But it's not as simple as just comparing budgets. That's my point. There are a number of factors that will allow Arsenal to outspend us this summer. Comparing our direct spend to theirs is pointless.

Not being in a european competition at all this year is going to be a financial hit too.

 

[bc205]

Not being in a european competition at all this year is going to be a financial hit too.

Yup, and it means our already bloated squad is even more problematic. There's a reason why multiple ITKs have said we need to start shifting deadwood before getting a 2nd CB.

 

[teok]

I have had the "van der vaart" chant stuck in my head for the last few days, despite not even hearing it (just someone mentioning it in this thread).

 

[worcestersauce]

Not being in a european competition at all this year is going to be a financial hit too.

Isn't it also an opportunity to thin the herd? I keep hearing you need a big strong squad when you are playing in Europe so logically you don't when you aren't and so, since we're going to play less than 50 games this season, it's the ideal opportunity to clear out excess players who aren't long term and start to blood our youngsters.

 

[kd2000]

Isn't it also an opportunity to thin the herd? I keep hearing you need a big strong squad when you are playing in Europe so logically you don't when you aren't and so, since we're going to play less than 50 games this season, it's the ideal opportunity to clear out excess players who aren't long term and start to blood our youngsters.

I would hope so. Just how willing Ange is to play youth is another matter.
Its different blooding youth in the J league or Scottish Prem than doing it in the Premier League with the pressure and media scrutiny as well as the clamour there would be, especially on social media, to sack Ange if things arent going to well.
There were already undertones to his appointment which would be reignited if he doesnt start well.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Isn't it also an opportunity to thin the herd? I keep hearing you need a big strong squad when you are playing in Europe so logically you don't when you aren't and so, since we're going to play less than 50 games this season, it's the ideal opportunity to clear out excess players who aren't long term and start to blood our youngsters.

Could be as low as 40. It must have been 20+ years ago since we played the minimum

 

[TheChosenOne]

Could be as low as 40. It must have been 20+ years ago since we played the minimum

2002-3 Played 41.

 

[E17yid]

I agree with everyone. We should sort out the whole squad, ins and outs, in one window. Forget all this rubbish about a rebuild taking a few windows to sort out. We should be signing 10 CBS in now and offloading 457 players by next week.

 

[HildoSpur]

We have also bought Kulusevski and Porro this window dont forget, so you can add another 70 million.

I really dropped the ball on this post didn't I

 

[Locotoro]

Just not true though is it? We did none of that. They at least are going for prem proven targets who arteta has identified to play in a certain way. They’re doing exactly what we should have done under poch but levy failed him.

So we didn't spend over €150m to bring in the likes of Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sessegnon and Bergwijn? These were the players that were supposed to take us up another level and bridge the gap.

Granted, only Sess was Prem experienced but it was still a departure from what we had done previously that had clearly worked.

Every time we focus on young up and coming players we make progress, everytime we try to go for thr ready made stars to fill the gaps we flop. In fact, every single spurs star of the modern era has been a player that we have developed and/or brought in under the radar. I can't remember a single big signing that has been successful.