Player Watch: Nabil Bentaleb

[Japhet]

So he is allegedly on 8k a week. We double it to 16k and you think he should just be happy with that? 16k p/w having been to a World Cup, Afcon not to mention the best CM in a PL club that matched it's 2nd highest finish at 5th. That is serious lowballing him in my eyes.

Not that it has any bearing on Bentaleb, but there have been a lot of totally shit players at AFCONs and World Cups. Means nothing apart from a bit of experience.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I trust this guy because he is genuinely an agent of some sort.

I follow him too on Twitter, he's a financial planner for individuals (some high profile people). Has many footballers and ex-footballers as clients including Prem players.

 

[Gbspurs]

Kovacic, Calhanoglu, Geis, Max Meyer, Ward Prowse, Emre Can, Draxler, Pierre Hojbjerg (19), Tielmans (18)

Wouldn't take them all over Bentaleb, and they may play varying roles (slighlty more attacking etc), but thats not a bad crop of 20ish yr old players that play centrally off the top of my head...

Also, Germany seems to be good for young players..

And that is without looking at South America and Eastern Europe..

Not trying to downplay Bentaleb and his ability/potential...just answering the question...

I do think it's much easier for an attacking or flair player to look great young than it is for a defensive minded player. The maturity Bentaleb shows its what stands him apart imo.

To show the ability he has whilst given the responsibility of being the more defensive minded of a midfield 2 in the premier league is impressive given his age.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Tim was right.

 

[900triumph]

Bentaleb's mature performance when asked to fill in at left back demonstrated his ability - proper footballer. We won't sell, it's just a negotiation. We should pay the going rate for a 2 year established Prem midfielder, regardless of his age - he doesn't play like an inexperienced prospect so shouldn't be treated or valued as such. 90% that this'll get sorted sensibly IMO.

 

[Hoopspur]

Think all you need to do was watch that FA Youth Cup (or whatever it was) semi final with Mason and Nabil watching with the crowd to see what they think of Spurs. They are Spurs fans as well imo. So he will need to have been seriously pissed off to contemplate moving at the moment. It'll get sorted and is just the silly few weeks that the press have to fill their shitty websites and back pages.

 

[FreddieYid]

Kovacic, Calhanoglu, Geis, Max Meyer, Ward Prowse, Emre Can, Draxler, Pierre Hojbjerg (19), Tielmans (18)

Wouldn't take them all over Bentaleb, and they may play varying roles (slighlty more attacking etc), but thats not a bad crop of 20ish yr old players that play centrally off the top of my head...

Also, Germany seems to be good for young players..

And that is without looking at South America and Eastern Europe..

Not trying to downplay Bentaleb and his ability/potential...just answering the question...

Bentaleb, has the ability to go to the very top of the game and I don't believe that some of those names will be as good as he can be

 

[EZSpur]

So he is allegedly on 8k a week. We double it to 16k and you think he should just be happy with that? 16k p/w having been to a World Cup, Afcon not to mention the best CM in a PL club that matched it's 2nd highest finish at 5th. That is serious lowballing him in my eyes.

When you put it like that, then yup, I have to agree, for the amount that he's progressed and for what he's achieved then he certainly deserves a better wage.

But, its also an issue with his 'starting/existing' salary - in principle, doubling the amount would/should be perfectly acceptable, however going from 8k a week to 16k a week (knowing full well that others are on a lot more) skews the offer completely.
See! If he'd have been on 20 and went to 40, or 40 to 80, do you think he'd be complaining?

However, overall I hear you man, I think he does deserve the 40 that he's (supposedly) asking for.

 

[IGSpur]

When you put it like that, then yup, I have to agree, for the amount that he's progressed and for what he's achieved then he certainly deserves a better wage.

But, its also an issue with his 'starting/existing' salary - in principle, doubling the amount would/should be perfectly acceptable, however going from 8k a week to 16k a week (knowing full well that others are on a lot more) skews the offer completely.
See! If he'd have been on 20 and went to 40, or 40 to 80, do you think he'd be complaining?

However, overall I hear you man, I think he does deserve the 40 that he's (supposedly) asking for.

It is to do with the starting salary but I think we do well to pay our youngsters low wages, bear in mind as well that had actually signed an improved contract to 8k after making his breakthrough. The difficulty then becomes once he is an established player we have to start paying him established players wages which are considerably higher than those of someone breaking through.

To put what we pay in context Brown, Solanke and RLC at Chelsea are on between 15-30k p/w and haven't even featured. Imagine Bentaleb played with these guys regularly. He has now surpassed them completely and is still getting significantly less. I think he will know what they are on and regardless of the fact that Chelsea pay ridiculous wages he will think it's fair that he earns more than them. FWIW I don't think we should be going over 40k at the moment, but then I also believe unless we use the academy we won't be able to replace him without ending up paying a player at least that anyway.

Maybe this is another reason to use the academy. At the moment he has no competition for his place. He is better than Mason and we have seen the next best behind them are really poor so he can demand what he wants/ I say get Onomah or Winks in, if they perform well then our dependence on him is reduced. He will also get less game time and may not be guaranteed that big contract he thinks he'll get elsewhere anyway, so he will sign knowing that's the best he will get. Or if we use the academy and realise we don't need him then we sell him for over 20m and make a really good profit.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

IOr if we use the academy and realise we don't need him then we sell him for over 20m and make a really good profit.

Hope we keep a hold of him and see if it really can become a world class player. The chance to win things, if he really develops, would be worth way more than just money..

 

[Shea]

His performances have caught the eye of fans outside our circle

I have many Chelsea supporting friends and many of them have noticed him and indeed think/want him to come to Chelsea in the future

That's pretty high praise I'd say as generally they do nothing but look down at the players at our disposal (Kane this year aside of course)

Normally when we have a talented player we as Spurs fans think they're the nuts but often (except for the likes of Modric and Bale ) the fans of the top four give them little to no credit

So I'd say Nabil must be doing something right to be attracting recognition from the Chelsea blinkered glory hunting fans I know and I think he has a very bright future ahead of him. I'd say he's earned a significant pay raise and should be rewarded with a new contract asap but of course these things take time as both sides will still be pulling to get the best deal they can, as long as the kid his happy at the club I don't see a problem and I'm sure it will be signed soon enough

 

[double0]

It is to do with the starting salary but I think we do well to pay our youngsters low wages, bear in mind as well that had actually signed an improved contract to 8k after making his breakthrough. The difficulty then becomes once he is an established player we have to start paying him established players wages which are considerably higher than those of someone breaking through.

To put what we pay in context Brown, Solanke and RLC at Chelsea are on between 15-30k p/w and haven't even featured. Imagine Bentaleb played with these guys regularly. He has now surpassed them completely and is still getting significantly less. I think he will know what they are on and regardless of the fact that Chelsea pay ridiculous wages he will think it's fair that he earns more than them. FWIW I don't think we should be going over 40k at the moment, but then I also believe unless we use the academy we won't be able to replace him without ending up paying a player at least that anyway.

Maybe this is another reason to use the academy. At the moment he has no competition for his place. He is better than Mason and we have seen the next best behind them are really poor so he can demand what he wants/ I say get Onomah or Winks in, if they perform well then our dependence on him is reduced, he will also get less game time and may not be guaranteed that big contract he thinks he'll get elsewhere anyway, so he will sign knowing that's the best he will get or that we aren't reliant on him. Or if we use the academy and realise we don't need him then we sell him for over 20m and make a really good profit.

I dont understand that logic, why would we not depend on a player thats producing the goods, just so we don't have to pay money.

For us to compete and challenge we have to pay reasonable wages...Bentaleb's proved he is a first team player, he played his part in us finshing 5th and qualifying to european football which will further enrich the coffins.

Levy might have his reasons to resist and there should be a compromise between the two parties but I feel he deserves a pay rise in line with the first team squad.

One question I would like answered, do you feel the development players once established within the first team/squad should be getting payed less than a player aquired by a transfer fee?

 

[Snarfalicious]

 

[IGSpur]

I dont understand that logic, why would we not depend on a player thats producing the goods, just so we don't have to pay money.

For us to compete and challenge we have to pay reasonable wages...Bentaleb's proved he is a first team player, he played his part in us finshing 5th and qualifying to european football which will further enrich the coffins.

Levy might have his reasons to resist and there should be a compromise between the two parties but I feel he deserves a pay rise in line with the first team squad.

One question I would like answered, do you feel the development players once established within the first team/squad should be getting payed less than a player aquired by a transfer fee?

Sorry I agree with you. I believe he is very much due a payrise and I think should get 40k but of course there has to be a limit. Say he is asking for 60k and arguing parity with the 'failed' signings while I think that would be too much at this point for no other reason that I personally believe that it is too much too early for someone of his age you could argue he deserves it for that reason, but I do believe that it would then encourages others to ask for the same and will still leave us struggling to get rid of the unworthy ones on that wage. So our wage bill will be too high. This is all speculation and like others have said that fact that Levy has settled other contracts, Bentaleb or more his agent may be asking for too high for Levy to not agree.

Bentaleb being relied upon is a good thing and like I said deserves a significant payrise similar to the squad but as I said I think there is a limit; my point was that if his demands are too high, playing other players and hoping they perform well may reduce our dependency on him and give him less leverage in negotiations. Surely this can only be good for the club that there is competition for him and it may be a way for him to realse he needs to lower his demands and focus on improving again and earn that bigger contract.

I hope that makes sense. I don't think I'm disagreeing with what you are saying I want them to find that compromise but I don't know what it is or how it can be reached.

To your last point yes I do, certainly most of my posts regarding this, as soon as I heard his apparently wanted 40k I said pay it, due to his ability, importance and potential. But when you say paritywith signed players what do you mean.

Unless I have the figures wrong, Adebayor was getting 170k when he joined us, 100k from us and 70k from City. Apparently City have now stopped so we are paying Adebayor a signed player 100k a week. This is the same player that not only was playing poorly for us, has many off the field, issues, reportedly caused a rift in the changing room and also doesn't even play. If I agreed with the parity statement then Bentaleb, Mason, Kane, Rose and Townsend plus the rest of the team could argue parity. However we don't have the wage bill to do that so some must get less than others. Until we shift the higher earners the development players who deserve their wages will have to wait till they can earn that to maintain our wage bill.

My question to you is, if we have signed a player and put them on a 100k p/w and they flop and an academy player comes through and establishes themselves do you believe that they should earn less or would you have 2 or more (as others could ask for the same) all on 100k?

 

[gibbospurs]

Needs to add some goals to his game.

 

[double0]

Sorry I agree with you. I believe he is very much due a payrise and I think should get 40k but of course there has to be a limit. Say he is asking for 60k and arguing parity with the 'failed' signings while I think that would be too much at this point for no other reason that I personally believe that it is too much too early for someone of his age you could argue he deserves it for that reason, but I do believe that it would then encourages others to ask for the same and will still leave us struggling to get rid of the unworthy ones on that wage. So our wage bill will be too high. This is all speculation and like others have said that fact that Levy has settled other contracts, Bentaleb or more his agent may be asking for too high for Levy to not agree.

Bentaleb being relied upon is a good thing and like I said deserves a significant payrise similar to the squad but as I said I think there is a limit; my point was that if his demands are too high, playing other players and hoping they perform well may reduce our dependency on him and give him less leverage in negotiations. Surely this can only be good for the club that there is competition for him and it may be a way for him to realse he needs to lower his demands and focus on improving again and earn that bigger contract.

I hope that makes sense. I don't think I'm disagreeing with what you are saying I want them to find that compromise but I don't know what it is or how it can be reached.

To your last point yes I do, certainly most of my posts regarding this, as soon as I heard his apparently wanted 40k I said pay it, due to his ability, importance and potential. But when you say paritywith signed players what do you mean.

Unless I have the figures wrong, Adebayor was getting 170k when he joined us, 100k from us and 70k from City. Apparently City have now stopped so we are paying Adebayor a signed player 100k a week. This is the same player that not only was playing poorly for us, has many off the field, issues, reportedly caused a rift in the changing room and also doesn't even play. If I agreed with the parity statement then Bentaleb, Mason, Kane, Rose and Townsend plus the rest of the team could argue parity. However we don't have the wage bill to do that so some must get less than others. Until we shift the higher earners the development players who deserve their wages will have to wait till they can earn that to maintain our wage bill.

My question to you is, if we have signed a player and put them on a 100k p/w and they flop and an academy player comes through and establishes themselves do you believe that they should earn less or would you have 2 or more (as others could ask for the same) all on 100k?

Contracts within a squad is a tricky subject. I'm not sure if the club has thought about the introduction of our successful development players out performing player on bigger wages....its why i feel contracts should be performance based.

One things for sure if we don't pay the going rate players will leave and get money elsewhere.

 

[Setzthree]

If we lose Bentaleb, I will slay a kitten.

 

[kremlyn]

He's the best Cm at the club by a distance. We should pay him more than the others.

 

[HildoSpur]

He is a fantastic prospect and I really hope the club get him signed for a good long contract.

 

[tiger666]

He is a fantastic prospect and I really hope the club get him signed for a good long contract.

Indeed. Also, I always read your username as Dildospur.