Player Watch: Nabil Bentaleb

[Flashspur]

Yes he's young and has shown talent - but its only been for 1 season....no way do any of Bentaleb, Mason or even Kane for that matter warrant paying either of them anywhere near 70k a week. No Way. We need to pay players based on experience, talent and results in terms of their own and the club's goals, and you cant judge how good a player really is until they proven it over at least 2 seasons. maybe more. You cant start paying players who are only 20 odd years old 70k just cos they show potential after 1 season. That's absurd and makes no common or business sense. Let him play another season, see how he and the others fair and then sit down towards the end of the coming season and offer a good contract then, all this ridiculous talk of giving him what he feels is warranted just plays into the players' hands. You cant start paying players of that age vast sums after only 1 good season. Its nonsense!

One little problem mate, there are others out there who will pay their asking price and I would suggest that neither Nabil or Harry look like one season wonders.

 

[tiger666]

One little problem mate, there are others out there who will pay their asking price

Who will have to have an offer accepted by the club to even talk to them.

 

[JohannTHFC]

A kid of his age would want to be careful with shit like this. He's developing well at this club and has a lot of support behind him. Shouldn't be trying to bite the hand that feeds him after 1 good season.

 

[Flashspur]

Who will have to have an offer accepted by the club to even talk to them.

Well it does not matter. We had both Modric and Bale on reasonable contract lengths and they left. Same with Berbatov. In this day and age of player power once the player starts agitating for a move its hard to stop the momentum and the longer we fuck around with this deal the more disharmony it creates between club and player. Nine months of negotiating is fucking pathetic. Its amateur hour. It also causes friction at the club because other players get wind of club and player angst and it unsettles everyone. I am not saying we bend over and let him fuck THFC but you have to be realistic! It would take 15-20m to replace him at the moment. That is how we should be pricing him.

 

[tiger666]

Well it does not matter. We had both Modric and Bale on reasonable contract lengths and they left.

Yeah because arguably the biggest club in the world offered us a fee which we accepted. If they came in for Bentaleb with a fee we deemed acceptable, we'd take it whether he had 1 or 3 years left on his contract. You make it sound as though we need to quickly offer him a much better contract or he'll walk out or something.

 

[Flashspur]

A kid of his age would want to be careful with shit like this. He's developing well at this club and has a lot of support behind him. Shouldn't be trying to bite the hand that feeds him after 1 good season.

Well think of it this way. You have a ten to 15 year career ahead of you in terms of optimal earning potential. After that you are fucking nothing unless you had a good financial planner and have saved well and not blown your stash on nightcubs, hangers on, walk on girls and charlie. So he has 10-15 years max as a career. I dont see Nabil as the Alex Ferguson type. So he is just maximising his earning potential while he has some market power. The rest of us dont earn that much over such a short period but then we work a lot longer 40-45 years plus.

Whats wrong with him asking for more. He's a goddamn elite athlete FFS. If he is on 8K thats embarrasing! Why did THFC leave it like this for so fricken long?

 

[Donki]

Well it does not matter. We had both Modric and Bale on reasonable contract lengths and they left. Same with Berbatov. In this day and age of player power once the player starts agitating for a move its hard to stop the momentum and the longer we fuck around with this deal the more disharmony it creates between club and player. Nine months of negotiating is fucking pathetic. Its amateur hour. It also causes friction at the club because other players get wind of club and player angst and it unsettles everyone. I am not saying we bend over and let him fuck THFC but you have to be realistic! It would take 15-20m to replace him at the moment. That is how we should be pricing him.

Whats amateur is Bentaleb getting his agent to talk publicly about the negotiations and then himself happily talking to the press about the negotiations, thats fucking amateur. The club in the past have always rewarded players who perform, Modric, Bale, Hugo, Kane all got good contracts (for our club), so I have no reason to believe the club are fucking about.. Yes I want the contract to get sorted out, yes I believe he is going to be a top talent but this sort of shit royally fucks me off, player power or not. 1 season he has had after in his own words our club taking a chance on him and saving his career.

 

[Donki]

Well think of it this way. You have a ten to 15 year career ahead of you in terms of optimal earning potential. After that you are fucking nothing unless you had a good financial planner and have saved well and not blown your stash on nightcubs, hangers on, walk on girls and charlie. So he has 10-15 years max as a career. I dont see Nabil as the Alex Ferguson type. So he is just maximising his earning potential while he has some market power. The rest of us dont earn that much over such a short period but then we work a lot longer 40-45 years plus.

Whats wrong with him asking for more. He's a goddamn elite athlete FFS. If he is on 8K thats embarrasing! Why did THFC leave it like this for so fricken long?

They havent, as Nabel has said talks started 9 months ago . Nothing is wrong with him asking for more, the club have offered him more, Nabel seems to want even more than the club are offering him. I dont see where this idea that the club you support is trying to short change him, there has never been any suggestion of that in the past.

 

[tiger666]

Why did THFC leave it like this for so fricken long?

?? He's just finished his first full season. If you were in charge we'd be offering players new contracts every year.

 

[Flashspur]

Yeah because arguably the biggest club in the world offered us a fee which we accepted. If they came in for Bentaleb with a fee we deemed acceptable, we'd take it whether he had 1 or 3 years left on his contract. You make it sound as though we need to quickly offer him a much better contract or he'll walk out or something.

Whats to stop him? If you have a disgruntled pissed off employee, do you want him around smelling out the joint? If he starts to agitate there are going to be a lot of takers. The boy has talent, in case you havent noticed. Contracts dont hold water these days. I know, I am a lawyer. If anything they show the good intent of parties but there is a fairness factor as well and the market demand factor is always the equalizer in any employer employee scenario. if you have no market leverage then your negotiating position is fucked. I'd say he has pretty good market leverage at the moment.

 

[Donki]

?? He's just finished his first full season. If you were in charge we'd be offering players new contracts every year.

Exactly, and then the other knock on effect, players like Rose, who had an outstanding season too after being in the first team for 2-3 season, and Dier who had a solid one in his debut all think why did he get such a jump in pay I want my cut. The wage structure at any club must be a nightmare to manage, on a financial level and in terms of player expectations.

 

[tiger666]

Whats to stop him?

His contract? If he gets so pissed off he refuses to attend training/play and starts kicking off then quite frankly he isn't professional enough anyway and he's welcome to wind down his contract and leave imo. He's a good player but he isn't irreplaceable.

 

[Mediocrates]

yeah, that must be it

"... I give everything on the pitch. I’ve been working really hard and it’s normal for me to want to get rewarded. We’ve been negotiating for nearly nine months now, since September, and it’s getting really long and, of course, I’m getting a little bit tired of it. ... But sometimes it is annoying when you don’t feel treated as you should be. This season was a really good season for me and I’ve had some interest from big clubs, from Champions League clubs. I’m really flattered ..."

He's threatening to leave for a CL club if he doesn't get a pay rise.
He's on 20k a week. Mason is on 30k. He was offered double. That's 40k. He doesn't deserve more than that
And even if he thinks he deserves more, he should keep it in-house. No need to air dirty laundry in public

I thought he was on something stupid like 8k given the contract was signed before he broke into the team? He is asking for 40. We are offering 25.

 

[Flashspur]

Whats the knock on effect for someone on 8K wanting parity with other players? The guy is climbing out of the basement from a pay rates perspective. I think his performances for the most part have been outstanding and his potentia is huge. That is what you are making happy and securing with a nice shiny contract - the potential.

 

[cozzo]

He should be on more than Mason that's for sure. He's one of the first names on the team sheet.

 

[Donki]

Whats the knock on effect for someone on 8K wanting parity with other players? The guy is climbing out of the basement from a pay rates perspective. I think his performances for the most part have been outstanding and his potentia is huge. That is what you are making happy and securing with a nice shiny contract - the potential.

Your making it sound liek the club aren't offering him an improved deal, they are. Nabel wants more than the club is offering, How much do you think the club should pay him?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

How do people know how much money he is on and how much he wants (and how much we are offering)?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

does he have the same agent as sterling and Beharino?

I know this was a joke referring to the agents media strategy, but to be serious, the agent of Bentaleb works with unkown players, largely French or French speaking players. Bentaleb is surely the agency's best player, and their only shot at making some money this summer. Hence the slightly desperate activites.

 

[Jamturk]

I trust Levy with contracts, I don't remember many problems since SC.

If there is a problem then I think there are good and valid reasons for it.

Bentaleb going to the media has disappointed me, he is coming across as a money hungry mercenary.

Remember when Dembele made a couple of comments he hardly got near the team again.

Also saying you give 100% every game like its something special is odd.

 

[allatsea]

I thought he was on something stupid like 8k given the contract was signed before he broke into the team? He is asking for 40. We are offering 25.

Are you ITK on these negotiations or just guessing ?