fishhhandaricecake
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He’s absolutely class, won’t get many better RWB’s than this guy.
Did you see our game vs sporting in the CL? The guy is a baller
Player Watch Player Watch: Pedro Porro
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Did you see our game vs sporting in the CL? The guy is a baller
JUSTINSIGNAL
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He is. I don't normally get too excited about any of our signings but the way this guy dominates his flank with athleticism, pace, skill and end product he could really transform our attacking play.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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I've played to a pretty good level at both LB and LWB. There is definitely a difference between playing wingback and fullback, even if you're playing as an attacking fullback in a back 4.
The biggest difference is positioning particularly when you are set behind the ball. You have to be comfortable and able to deal with the spaces between you and your adjacent CB. In a back 3 out of possession you're defending as a unit of 5, which means you have a lot more freedom to get wider to defend. In a back 4 you have to keep that 4 compact so you may have to stay narrow a lot more and then be very sharp at reading the game, knowing when to shuffle and press out wide. It's a lot easier to get caught positionally in a back 4 as a fullback.
A top coach who has a solid possessional structure and ideally a pressing structure can build a shape which allows the FB's to get forward, ie. Poch for example or Klopp with Pool.
From a coaching POV, you do want the players to have some kind of defensive instincts though, even if they're raw. You also want them to have decent core attributes physically like speed and athleticism. In the attributes regard I think both Udogie and Porro would be ok, Spence too. It's the defensive instincts I'm not sure about and they will definitely make a few mistakes along the way as you coach them. It's also very important you give them a solid base to work from, ie. a solid keeper, strong CBs and a well balanced and mobile midfield.
Trippier was terrible defensively in a back 4 for us and regularly got rinsed and even he has improved having played for Atletico and gained experience. And that's with him lacking physical attributes so it can be done. You'll also notice his defensive weaknesses were mitigated when we had Wanyama and Dembele in midfield, Toby next to him etc. When our team got weaker (Sissoko and Winks CM, Toby decling a bit etc), he became far more exposed and thus his weaknesses were magnified.
So Porro could work in a back 4 (as could Udogie and Spence) but it's vital we provide a very solid base and structure for him. It will be very hard to know for sure if he will succeed in a back 4 until we see it for an extended period (and he is coached in it for 6 months plus).
The biggest difference is positioning particularly when you are set behind the ball. You have to be comfortable and able to deal with the spaces between you and your adjacent CB. In a back 3 out of possession you're defending as a unit of 5, which means you have a lot more freedom to get wider to defend. In a back 4 you have to keep that 4 compact so you may have to stay narrow a lot more and then be very sharp at reading the game, knowing when to shuffle and press out wide. It's a lot easier to get caught positionally in a back 4 as a fullback.
A top coach who has a solid possessional structure and ideally a pressing structure can build a shape which allows the FB's to get forward, ie. Poch for example or Klopp with Pool.
From a coaching POV, you do want the players to have some kind of defensive instincts though, even if they're raw. You also want them to have decent core attributes physically like speed and athleticism. In the attributes regard I think both Udogie and Porro would be ok, Spence too. It's the defensive instincts I'm not sure about and they will definitely make a few mistakes along the way as you coach them. It's also very important you give them a solid base to work from, ie. a solid keeper, strong CBs and a well balanced and mobile midfield.
Trippier was terrible defensively in a back 4 for us and regularly got rinsed and even he has improved having played for Atletico and gained experience. And that's with him lacking physical attributes so it can be done. You'll also notice his defensive weaknesses were mitigated when we had Wanyama and Dembele in midfield, Toby next to him etc. When our team got weaker (Sissoko and Winks CM, Toby decling a bit etc), he became far more exposed and thus his weaknesses were magnified.
So Porro could work in a back 4 (as could Udogie and Spence) but it's vital we provide a very solid base and structure for him. It will be very hard to know for sure if he will succeed in a back 4 until we see it for an extended period (and he is coached in it for 6 months plus).
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Here we go..................................................soon
Tui, if this summer is anything to go by
crazyguitarman
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Thanks for the insight! You mention as a wingback that it's easier to defend as a unit of 5 out of possession, but aren't you also more likely to be caught out of position when in transition, relative to the fullback in a back four? But overall, you'd say the fullback is caught out more frequently?
jurgen11
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Pay up motherfuckers...this fella is the way forward
RobjDerby
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When you look at this transfer (Club willing to sell, set price and Player wants to come), and how simple it should be for everyone.
And you then see HOW hard we've made this, how long we've dithered and acted like amateurs, you see why clubs dont want to deal with us, why we are so often left at Happy Shopper and not Waitrose.
Its just negligence and incompetence, with a culture set from the top.
Lessons are NOT learned, leaving your No1 target to the final week leaves you distracted from opportunities NOW.
Countless players missed, using the same BS Tactics.
And you then see HOW hard we've made this, how long we've dithered and acted like amateurs, you see why clubs dont want to deal with us, why we are so often left at Happy Shopper and not Waitrose.
Its just negligence and incompetence, with a culture set from the top.
Lessons are NOT learned, leaving your No1 target to the final week leaves you distracted from opportunities NOW.
Countless players missed, using the same BS Tactics.
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Since the window opened we have played 5 games in league and won 2 lost 3. Each point in premier League is worth approx £1m to a club so we have lost c. £9m in potential cash during the month. That's disregarding the potential Impact on CL qualification.
Having Porro would have helped during this period, not saying we would have beaten villa, city and arsenal but maybe might have got an extra few points.
Hope the haggling has been worth it and not another case of penny-wise pound foolish
Having Porro would have helped during this period, not saying we would have beaten villa, city and arsenal but maybe might have got an extra few points.
Hope the haggling has been worth it and not another case of penny-wise pound foolish
JUSTINSIGNAL
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What clubs don't want to deal with us? lol
Tractorspur
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We will meet the release clause now we are on page 100
jurgen11
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Clubs dont give a shit , show us the money
THFCSPURS19
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Decisive meeting by Pedro Porro is about to take place in a moment. Tottenham is "represented" by intermediaries and agents of the player himself - no one from the English club is in Lisbon. Sporting warned yesterday that it still wants the 45 M € . Seeing the result of today's conversation...
https://twitter.com/brunoandrd/status/1618207087657635843
GMI
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Don't know why but my brain read that as 'Members of Spurs Community have just arrived at the Sporting Stadium for the decisive meeting'.
If that were true who would we send?
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Jeremy Paxton
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Keep your phone on loud and nearby on deadline day then. Daniel may get to you.
H-SF
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I understand the sentiment but we still have to negotiate transfers. We can't just operate like Chelsea and Utd and overpay vastly for literally every deal. I don't think paying the RC would be an issue in this case but you still have to show restraint in the window. Arsenal have done so in the cases of Mudryk, Pedro Neto and Lisandro Martinez in the last 12 months and they aren't exactly struggling on the pitch.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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Yes as a wingback the hardest part is getting caught in transitions (and having the stamina and speed to play 2 positions in 1) but generally the team should have a defensive block of 5 which is covering you (3 CBs and 2 DMs in a 3-4-3). You can also get caught in transitions in an attacking back 4 but definitely more regularly in a back 3 system I'd say purely because in the back 3 you're essentially a winger going forward. In an attacking back 4 system, whilst you may get forward loads you're still a fullback, not a winger. Think of Rose and Walker under Poch. They would attack loads in the 4-2-3-1 but even more so when we went 3-4-3.
It's when the opposition have the ball and you're defending as a unit with your back 4 that you'd notice the biggest difference defensively between the systems, as instead of defending 5-4-1 off the ball you're defending 4-5-1, so there's potentially more gaps between the defensive unit laterally.
In either system it's important that the fullbacks/wingbacks have good recovery pace and desire to get back imo, especially in a league like the PL. This is why Rose and Walker excelled, they were superb at recovery runs and quickly getting back in to shape, particularly Walker as he was insanely quick and fit.
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