Player Watch Player Watch: Pedro Porro

[Yid-ol]

They hadn't even played the semis while we started talking let alone the final

Long term thinking

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Over 200 pages of pure hell

 

[double0]

As another poster calculated, our net spend in the last 4 years is up 10x compared to the prior 4 years.

Can you kindly calculate the competition, top 10 surrounding teams in the league to make a sound comparison.

 

[mil1lion]

If Sporting didn't want to sell (and based on what's going on now it feels like they don't want to) what did they have to gain by agreeing weeks ago? You need two sides to make a deal. If we offered two weeks ago what we're at now, they probably would've asked for more.

Wasn't Paratici known for giving the selling club a deadline though? That's how it should be done. If they ask for too much walk away. We have to negotiate all window though.

 

[Maxtremist]

The point is that arsenal take a risk by spending big money. Now look at them? They've spent big and backed their manager so now it's working out. Utd have started to do the same for Ten Haag and already look far better. No point mentioning City because they're at a different stage to us. They already have a great squad so only need the odd big signing now. They've spent about a billion on their squad though. We're far from them so need to spend more to get to that level and then we can do that. Conte said himself that once we get to that point then we only need 1 or 2 big money signings. We won't even make 1 big money signing now and we still have much to build. Yes we can make great deals too but you have to push the boat out on others. We did it on Romero but how often does it happen? Even then it's a loan to buy. All the top clubs spend big money on important players even when they get great deals as well.

I mean Arsenal's pieces fitting together and working are cheaper buys that have fit.

In the same way Zinchenko and Jesus worked for them we have had Richrlison not hit the ground running and Bissouma be below average for example.

End of the day their transfers have worked and ours haven't and it's not down to the amount we spend, just who we spend it on.

 

[Trotter]

In terms of keeping our heads above water for FFP, people also seem quick to forget that we have a substantial fee left to pay for Kulusevski this summer, just to retain the quality we currently have. Also, quick to forget how much we spent on making Romero permanent last the summer (on top of a record fee for Richarlison).

We have three first team players on loan (Kulusevski, Lenglet & ), plus Moura leaving on a free transfer. That's four signings required (either loan deal made permanent or someone else signed in their place), with only the limited funds we (hopefully) secure from cut price deals for Winks, Lo Celso & Ndombele to offset this. I'd guess that transfer activity will leave us with a deficit of at least £50m. If we sell any current squad players, we need additional signings to replace them, so their transfer fees won't be offsetting the aforementioned signings.

Outstanding cash payments is irrelevant to FFP. That is purely a cash transaction.
FFP takes into account the players purchase price and depreciates it over life of contract.
We have best part of a billion spend available to us for FFP purposes (you can add back youth and infrastructure costs, so the stadium, and Covid allowances) although we certainly don’t have a billion spare for cash purposes.
FFP is just not an issue for us in the slightest, so pointless bringing it up

 

[mil1lion]

I mean Arsenal's pieces fitting together and working are cheaper buys that have fit.

In the same way Zinchenko and Jesus worked for them we have had Richrlison not hit the ground running and Bissouma be below average for example.

End of the day their transfers have worked and ours haven't and it's not down to the amount we spend, just who we spend it on.

I wouldn't say ours haven't worked. They're just squad players who are still better than what we had last season. The difference is they got players they needed for the first team. We still need about 4 for the first team so when we get an opportunity for 1 we should push the boat out. Its not even that expensive and actually similar fee to what Jesus was anyway.

 

[KingNick]

Really? Where have you got this figure from?

c40% income tax (P11d benefit in kind)
c10% employees national insurance.

this applies as the player buys himself out of the contact and the “buying” club then reimburses him.

 

[Dillspur]

Selling club wanted to keep him till after cup final? It's not always as simple as saying I want x player now!

In this case it really is simple. Pay the release clause on January 1 and he's a Spurs player on the 2nd

 

[Yid-ol]

In this case it really is simple. Pay the release clause on January 1 and he's a Spurs player on the 2nd

Not that simple, as been said just once or twice in this thread.

 

[mil1lion]

Lets be honest, neither of us has a clue about all the ins and outs of transfers. There are any number of reasons why this transfer could have dragged on. You're just making lots of assumptions and blaming the club for everything. All you're doing is looking for any reason possible to have a moan.

Come off it, it's the fact this happens so often with us. I don't need to look for a reason

 

[rawhide]

I mean Arsenal's pieces fitting together and working are cheaper buys that have fit.

In the same way Zinchenko and Jesus worked for them we have had Richrlison not hit the ground running and Bissouma be below average for example.

End of the day their transfers have worked and ours haven't and it's not down to the amount we spend, just who we spend it on.

But it’s not just who we spend it on - it’s how they are integrated into the team. For example, Jesus started immediately. Zinchenko started once he recovered from injury. That helps bed them in more quickly. Richarlison and Bissouma have barely started, and substitute appearances are generally confined to the last 15 minutes or so.

Yeah, yeah. I know Conte has a system and players have to get used to it, but if they aren’t playing competitively in that system, they aren’t going to get used to it quickly.

TL: DR - Conte doesn’t really use players outside his favoured ones unless he really REALLY has to. This is hindering integration and effectiveness of fringe players/non-starters.

 

[Freddie]

c40% income tax (P11d benefit in kind)
c10% employees national insurance.

this applies as the player buys himself out of the contact and the “buying” club then reimburses him.

I'm a big fan of his (even suggested here that we should have got him instead of Royal at the time) but I'm not convinced he's worth that much.

 

[WiganSpur]

As another poster calculated, our net spend in the last 4 years is up 10x compared to the prior 4 years.

It might well be up a lot, as expected, but an average net spend of £95m per season is only good enough to tread water at best in the Premier League - assuming an average level of recruitment success on a scale where Brighton is top and Everton is bottom. We need to be regularly pumping in £150m plus sales to start making any progress - unless we pay attention to and invest heavily into recruitment processes and the academy. Unfortunately Levy has failed on both those accounts through a lack of a cohesive plan on the pitch.

You either have to do one, the other or both. DL has done neither because he's impatient and loves to meddle, and what we've seen is no cohesive plan whatsoever and a little bit of a lurch towards more investment which is very much half-hearted.

Whichever way you cut it - Daniel Levy is responsible as the head of the organisation.

 

[pal90]

c40% income tax (P11d benefit in kind)
c10% employees national insurance.

this applies as the player buys himself out of the contact and the “buying” club then reimburses him.

That would apply if he was a UK resident. He's not until he actually signs for a UK club so Portugese law applies to those payments. No, I don't know what has to be paid over there, if they're similar to Spain then probably not very much.

 

[Trotter]

c40% income tax (P11d benefit in kind)
c10% employees national insurance.

this applies as the player buys himself out of the contact and the “buying” club then reimburses him.

Tax on buy out clauses in Spain/Portugal have been exempt since 2016.

 

[Archibald-CPH]

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This makes me nerveus

 

[Snarfalicious]

Ornstein’s a bittttt of a cringy dipshit, but he’s been right on the money a lot in recent windows. Him outright saying it’s “off” is concerning to me, and the potential impact on Conte if it’s true we miss out on a huge need because of £2.6m in admin fees.

 

[double0]

Not that simple, as been said just once or twice in this thread.

Yes it was as simple as that.

The only stumbling block was/is Man City having first refusal. *note if mistaken Tottenham had meetings with City before proceeding with Sporting.

 

[theicemanspursscotty]

Outstanding cash payments is irrelevant to FFP. That is purely a cash transaction.
FFP takes into account the players purchase price and depreciates it over life of contract.
We have best part of a billion spend available to us for FFP purposes (you can add back youth and infrastructure costs, so the stadium, and Covid allowances) although we certainly don’t have a billion spare for cash purposes.
FFP is just not an issue for us in the slightest, so pointless bringing it up

Whilst I really don't want to have to link to the Daily Mail website, Kieran Maguire (respected sports finance expert) did a study in November 2021 which looked at how much clubs can spend whilst remaining within FFP - we can spend up to £400m. Ok - we've since spent money on Bentancur, Romero, Richarlison, Udogie, Spence, Bissouma, that still leaves us with £250m (+whatever record profits ENIC have made in the last financial year). So FFP is completely irrelevant to our situation - we could spend a lot of money in a short space if time - but we're not run like that. Personally, I wouldn't want us to spend like Chelsea have this window, I think it's grotesque, vile and will further destroy football even further, pushing clubs to outlay insane sums on players again, but I wouldn't mind us just pushing the boat out a bit more and getting this kind of deal done straight away.