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Player Watch: Serge Aurier

Shadydan

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The ball move faster than any player. If Aurier went to cover leaving the right attacker free, the ball will be pkated to the free player. If the free attacker went on to score you will blame Aurier for giving him a free run. In football, professional level, you don't just mark the attacker in the centre as an attacker is capable of scoring in all position facing the goal. That is why defence is a team effort and CM need to cover for defender as you cannot allow attackers space to attack the goal.

You're better off marking the threat in a central position than a wide one, you learn that early as it's the very basic principles of football. Serge should have come across earlier, it would have made more sense to allow the wide player to have a free shot as opposed to the striker.
 

Eric_s

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You're better off marking the threat in a central position than a wide one, you learn that early as it's the very basic principles of football. Serge should have come across earlier, it would have made more sense to allow the wide player to have a free shot as opposed to the striker.
When I was coaching children, that was what I told them to do. However, professional level you cannot apply that as the percentile shows no difference in allowing centre, left or right shots. The team needs to ensure such situation does not happen. Aurier was in a lose lose situation as either way, a norwich player will have a great chance to score.
 

Shadydan

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When I was coaching children, that was what I told them to do. However, professional level you cannot apply that as the percentile shows no difference in allowing centre, left or right shots. The team needs to ensure such situation does not happen. Aurier was in a lose lose situation as either way, a norwich player will have a great chance to score.

Utter nonsense, you have a greater chance to score from a central position than a wide one and that is a fact. It's about minimising the chance for the opposition to benefit from and in that situation Norwich's route to goal would have been more difficult from a wider position.
 

Alex4487

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This guy is the pain of my life. Been hopeless for a long time. A few good games doesnt make up for the amount of clusterfuck errors that has cost us goals and points
 

BigVic

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Out of interest who are you guys top 5 right backs in the league?
I'd say: TAA, Walker, Periera. Then after that you could say AWB, I even like the look of someone like Sidibe at Everton or Aarons at Norwich.
 

Havre

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I don't even mind his uselessness defensively compared to how annoying he is going forward. We have almost tailor made a formation to accommodate him and he is still not performing. His crossing is abysmal. Often too close to the goalkeeper because he can't really get passed the defender or as in the last minutes against Norwich drifting out of play on the back post.

Play Foyth as a sitting RB and use Sessegnon as the wing back on the left. Or play Sissoko in the current Aurier-role. Anything to keep him off the team.

And I used to defend Aurier for a long long time. I remember him from France way back and he looked like an absolute force down the right. Alves-light. Where that player went I have no idea.
 

thfcsteff

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Strangely I thought both the Liverpool fullbacks defensively had poor games yesterday. They are both outstanding going forward but good wide players seem able to go past them with ease.

You can get away with it when you have a world class CB and genuine holding midfielders. We will also see, once again, that much of their defending happens high up the pitch!!
 

Eric_s

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Utter nonsense, you have a greater chance to score from a central position than a wide one and that is a fact. It's about minimising the chance for the opposition to benefit from and in that situation Norwich's route to goal would have been more difficult from a wider position.
I don't know what statistic have you analyse before. The ones I worked on showed no significant differences. In some seasons, the right position or left position is slightly higher than the centre ones. Of course its more complex in reality as the circumstances when the shots are taken varies. However what I am saying is not nonsense but facts.
 

muppetman

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I'm not his biggest fan but I think Mourinho (and Poch before him) need to take some of the blame as they must be telling him to get forward and that others will cover for him thus allowing him to jog back? Jose has been pretty vocal in the past about players he considers to be lazy so it seems unlikely he hasn't seen this?


Straws....clutching.....
 

Eric_s

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@shaydydan I think you assume I am talking about the right side at a tight angle. I am referring to the right side of the area near the six yard box, which is where the right attacker will be when not marked.
 

roslau

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LB RB are very crucial positions in modern football nowadays. Aurier is useless on the pitch, he‘s just running like a headless chicken with poor situational awareness. Get rid of him ASAP.
 

Shadydan

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@shaydydan I think you assume I am talking about the right side at a tight angle. I am referring to the right side of the area near the six yard box, which is where the right attacker will be when not marked.

No idea what you're on about tbh, best to leave it.
 

Shadydan

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You watch that and still think its Aurier's fault. Totally ignoring the cm and cb poor positioning. Yeah just leave it I lost interest to discuss any further.

Don't move the goalposts, your initial argument was about Aurier not covering the player who was wide and I said he should have come across, look at the graphic he's the last man ffs lol

You bringing up Sanchez and Ndombele (I think) is a different argument altogether, besides Sanchez didn't cover himself in glory - I already said that but Aurier has to spot the danger quicker and move across.
 

thfcsteff

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You watch that and still think its Aurier's fault. Totally ignoring the cm and cb poor positioning. Yeah just leave it I lost interest to discuss any further.

Looking at that graphic -and moving on from the poor positioning all round- at the moment shown, who is the covering defender in that situation? Now you could argue Aurier has two, but given that this it's a fluid game, who do you think Serge should, err, surge across and cover? He literally hesitated! Thought about it, didn't, then did. If he had when he first saw it unfolding, I don't think a shot even happens.
 
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