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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

CoopsieDeadpool

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I don't think it should be up to Mourinho to coach a premier league standard midfielder how to show for the ball. It is a fairly basic requirement.


Do you not think he'd be on the bench, alongside Dele, Alderweireld, & Co if he wasn't doing precisely what his manager is telling him to do?

Surely you've seen enough now to come to the conclusion that you either do what Mourinho wants, or you're exiled to Mordor for the rest of eternity.

It's not about showing for the ball, it's about being a back line of 8 & then get the ball up to Kane and Son, in hope they'll do something.

The only players that can be fairly judged in our managers system, are the defensive ones. And even that's not really fair, as they're constantly put under far too much pressure, for far too long.

Get that negative, life sapping **** out of our club, replace him with someone who wants to do crazy shit like actually attempt to play some football, and then start to judge our players.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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midfield has been a shambles since Dembele left. I think there is a place for Ndombele but we arent getting the best out of him yet. He's got loads of skill but seems to go missing when we need him the most. Id like to see him take more control and responsibility when things arent going well.



Again. Unless they're called Kane, Son, Hojbjerg or Lloris, our players are scared to take responsibility, and it's bloody understandable. One mistake and they're done for.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I think we arent utilising him properly and he doesnt have the players in front of him to allow him to utilise his skill set.
Your post reminds me of the 'poor Bobby' days. Looking for reasons why your fave player isnt delivering and blaming others in the team.

He has 2 of the best forward players in Europe "in front of him".
 

JCRD

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Your post reminds me of the 'poor Bobby' days. Looking for reasons why your fave player isnt delivering and blaming others in the team.

He has 2 of the best forward players in Europe "in front of him".


I worded it totally wrong - obviously he does have the players - by players i meant we lack the movement and the impetus for him to play forwards. I do think that he tends to play better when GLC isnt on but maybe thats just how ive seen it and could be wrong.

ps my fave player isnt him - my fave player is erm dont really have one in this team. Definitely Dembele though :)
 

southlondonyiddo

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Again. Unless they're called Kane, Son, Hojbjerg or Lloris, our players are scared to take responsibility, and it's bloody understandable. One mistake and they're done for.

They must be using a rota system to make a mistake. Keeps the squad fresh to keep rotating the playing squad around each game

Seriously though, if they are scared to take responsibility that might well be a poor reflection of themselves rather than the manager
 

fortworthspur

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They must be using a rota system to make a mistake. Keeps the squad fresh to keep rotating the playing squad around each game

Seriously though, if they are scared to take responsibility that might well be a poor reflection of themselves rather than the manager
Im not so sure. Dele has a flick go astray and Mourinho blames him for the goal conceded at the post game presser - unfairly. That's some ridiculous shit he throws when he's upset with a player.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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They must be using a rota system to make a mistake. Keeps the squad fresh to keep rotating the playing squad around each game

Seriously though, if they are scared to take responsibility that might well be a poor reflection of themselves rather than the manager


Yeah, what @fortworthspur said really mate. Examples of mistakes and sudden disappearances have been spoken of at length already, so I'll not go into the detail (you'll remember). But Tanganga & Rodon are/ have been the obvious ones. Put in good performances in early outings, made an error & then cast aside for a couple of months.

There's been much head scratching on here about players just disappearing off the radar.
 
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Goobers

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I understand what you are saying, but that doesn't make him effective. He could become more effective for us, but he's never going to be one of the continent's best players. There isn't another team out there with a player like Ndombs, and I don't see another team wanting one, either. He's another of our idiosyncratic purchases that we'll have to live with for ages, because no one would want him for the price we paid.

Don't disagree with anything you say
 

EQP

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Amazed that nobody has commented on his performance tonight.

Absolutely awful in my opinion

He's being tasked with the role of creative hub in a team that lacks any semblance of cohesion or structure. And yet today, he had an assist and come close to scoring a couple times. Imagine what a better manager and system could do for him.
 

dagraham

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Whilst I don’t doubt that a more progressive manager would get more out of him, he still needs to do more.

There have been games where some are raving about his performance, but in reality that’s often only consisted of a few “highlight reels” glimpses throughout a game.

I still want him on the pitch as much as possible because we know he has the ability, but he needs to stamp his authority on games and like a lot of our issues I don’t think it’s only about the manager.
 

wrd

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Yeah was poor tonight, I've defended him a lot and the caveat for all players is the context of the situation we're in but this was a stand out poor performances in a sea of poor performances from our players as of late. As others have said in other threads for players, we have to hope it's down to the tactics for a lot of our supposedly good players looking so poor.
 

razzmaster

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Ndombele was poor tonight, but players are allowed to have off days. He should have played in a 343, alongside PEH, with a front 3 of Bale, Kane and Son. If he is then playing badly then hook him for Lo Celso
 

TheTanguy

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Tactics didn't help, but that was certainly not good enough. In fact it was very poor and sloppy apart from 1 or 2 good moments.
 

JCRD

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Ndombele is a skillful player but skill doesn't equate to being an effective player.

I don't think the tactics are bringing the best out of him but I also think he needs to buck his ideas up.

The needs to affect and impact games. Great skill but apply it properly.
 

fortworthspur

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the more I think about it, the more I think he's the single biggest problem in midfield. cant play in 2 man midfield, got a 3 man midfield today, didnt do well. Lamela came in and in 30 minutes went back to pick up the ball more than Tanguy did in an hour.
 

ikky

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Let’s be honest here. He’s been a flop. Yes he’s shown a few flashes of brilliance but no where near enough. This guy is our most expensive signing and he’s had more than long enough to adapt. He’s supposed to be dominating the midfield but he’s far from doing that. If we’re offered 40m plus for him I’d take it and cut our losses.
 
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