Ex-Player Watch Player watch: Tom Carroll

[beats1]

Exactly not our level but more than suited to Swansea and I think he will do well there. Two other ex spurs that were deemed not good enough for us are doing very "at their level" with Bournemouth. It's good to see our so called rejects making very able premier league players.

Its not the fact he is more suited to swansea, I think there is a case our academy players are more suited to a 433 and its clear a lot of them struggle in a 4231 due to their size and build(if we are being brutality honest) rather than allowing them to be in a system that allows them to use their intelligence

 

[tiger666]

He would struggle at any prem club never mind us. I cant think of too many centre midfields worse than him

*chuckle*

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

He plays like a postman

 

[southlondonyiddo]

There is a reason why Tottenham are challenging at the very top of the league and all the Spurs players we have got rid of are fighting relegation or are mid table like we were year after year.....

 

[yido_number1]

Its not the fact he is more suited to swansea, I think there is a case our academy players are more suited to a 433 and its clear a lot of them struggle in a 4231 due to their size and build(if we are being brutality honest) rather than allowing them to be in a system that allows them to use their intelligence

Let's be fair I liked Carroll and Mason but neither of them were going to displace Wanyama or Dembele. Winks looks the more complete player and has the best chance of a CM making it with us since I can remember. How good a player are you if you can only play in one formation?

Poch talks all the time about the need to have players that can play in different systems and in different positions.

Any way nice to see all these Spurs boys doing ok elsewhere and I think Tom has looked really impressive since signing for Swansea I hope he keeps it up.

 

[ostrov]

I am happy for him playing so well for Swansea.

 

[PostmanNat]

He plays like a postman

Leave it out mate..

 

[JimmyG2]

I'd have him back and Siggy and Mason too as squad players.
Right attitude and spirit and ability.
Id have Siggy over Son and / or Sissoko any day
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves
if we think that any of that trio
couldn't make a positive contribution.

 

[DanielCHillier]

I'd have him back and Siggy and Mason too as squad players.
Right attitude and spirit and ability.
Id have Siggy over Son and / or Sissoko any day
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves
if we think that any of that trio
couldn't make a positive contribution.

I agree with Siggurdson over Sissoko, not sure what you mean by "
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves
if we think that any of that trio
couldn't make a positive contribution", given you only named 2 players and Son has already contributed 11 goals and 6 assists this season.

 

[JimmyG2]

I agree with Siggurdson over Sissoko, not sure what you mean by "
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves
if we think that any of that trio
couldn't make a positive contribution", given you only named 2 players and Son has already contributed 11 goals and 6 assists this season.

The thread was about Tom Carroll and I added Mason and Siggy.
1+2 =3.
Siggy would make our first team squad
and the other two, two of our own, would make good squad players.
They would run through a Mexican wall for the club (if one were ever to be built)
Mason certainly has mental strength and Carroll real ability which he is showing.
We are not too good for these players
and if we think we are we are getting ahead of ourselves.
They each have qualities that we could have benefited from
to help us get where we want to be
rather than buying a series of stop gaps (for around 50 million)
none of whom are immediate first team players
and possibly never will be.
(Sissoko, N'jie, N'Koudou, Janssen.
Wanyama has settled in nicely but his weaknesses were on show at Liverpool.
Son has done well generally and I like his spirit
but is very hit and miss and his weaknesses were visible too.
The grass is not always greener overseas and elsewhere.

 

[Shadydan]

The thread was about Tom Carroll and I added Mason and Siggy.
1+2 =3.
Siggy would make our first team squad
and the other two, two of our own, would make good squad players.
They would run through a Mexican wall for the club (if one were ever to be built)
Mason certainly has mental strength and Carroll real ability which he is showing.
We are not too good for these players
and if we think we are we are getting ahead of ourselves.
They each have qualities that we could have benefited from
to help us get where we want to be
rather than buying a series of stop gaps (for around 50 million)
none of whom are immediate first team players
and possibly never will be.
(Sissoko, N'jie, N'Koudou, Janssen.
Wanyama has settled in nicely but his weaknesses were on show at Liverpool.
Son has done well generally and I like his spirit
but is very hit and miss and his weaknesses were visible too.
The grass is not always greener overseas and elsewhere.

Pure revisionism, you forgotten all the times that these players weren't up to standard for us? They were moved on for a reason because they are not good enough.

 

[Lemon]

I agree with Siggurdson over Sissoko, not sure what you mean by "
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves
if we think that any of that trio
couldn't make a positive contribution", given you only named 2 players and Son has already contributed 11 goals and 6 assists this season.

Didn't realise Son had contributed so much, he's an enigma.

 

[JimmyG2]

Pure revisionism, you forgotten all the times that these players weren't up to standard for us? They were moved on for a reason because they are not good enough.

Not in the Marxist sense I assume.
I certainly have not forgotten anything.
I remember all the times these players came through for us
and were belittled (Tom literally) abused and written off for no good reason at all,
except for our own inflated view of ourselves.
We are not in the market for established superstars
for various economic and ideological reasons.
So we have to squeeze the maximum value from what we have.
It's nonsense to say that 'Little Tommy ' has found his level.
He is playing in the same league as us against the same teams
and doing very well.
He's no Wanyama and vice versa
but he has talent that was completely undervalued on here by many

I remember Modric being dubbed too small for the Prem on many Spurs forums.
It's the football stupid.

 

[mattie g]

Pure revisionism, you forgotten all the times that these players weren't up to standard for us? They were moved on for a reason because they are not good enough.

Didn't Mason request to leave to get more playing time, or am I "remembering" incorrectly?

Carrol was willing and fairly well able, but he didn't fit into Poch's plans. No shame and no harm.

Gylfi was in too big a pond when he was with us. If he were to come back (and I'm not suggesting he should or will), then I think he'd be more successful having had a couple more seasons as the big fish in the small pond of Swansea.

 

[Shadydan]

Not in the Marxist sense I assume.
I certainly have not forgotten anything.
I remember all the times these players came through for us
and were belittled (Tom literally) abused and written off for no good reason at all,
except for our own inflated view of ourselves.
We are not in the market for established superstars
for various economic and ideological reasons.
So we have to squeeze the maximum value from what we have.
It's nonsense to say that 'Little Tommy ' has found his level.
He is playing in the same league as us against the same teams
and doing very well.
He's no Wanyama and vice versa
but he has talent that was completely undervalued on here by many

I remember Modric being dubbed too small for the Prem on many Spurs forums.
It's the football stupid.

I also remember all the times thinking that they're not good enough. Carroll and Mason wouldn't get into our midfield now regardless and we have Winks who is better than both of them. I don't see the point of keeping two players on the books and paying them a wage who will eventually end up playing around 10 to 30% of matches in the season just because they embody the spirit of Spurs and for sentimental reasons, that's exactly the kind of thinking that held us back throughout the years.

Carroll is playing well but he's in a team where he plays consistently, he wouldn't be afforded that luxury at a team who is challenging for the title/top 4, same with Mason, Modric and Carroll are 2 entirely different players.

 

[Shadydan]

Didn't Mason request to leave to get more playing time, or am I "remembering" incorrectly?

Carrol was willing and fairly well able, but he didn't fit into Poch's plans. No shame and no harm.

Gylfi was in too big a pond when he was with us. If he were to come back (and I'm not suggesting he should or will), then I think he'd be more successful having had a couple more seasons as the big fish in the small pond of Swansea.

If we really wanted to keep him we would have, Son was moaning about game time and we kept him for example.

 

[JimmyG2]

It wasn't sentiment that held us back
but trying to cut corners by frequently changing managers
and buying players that were destined to move on while we stood still.
Embodying the spirit of Spurs sounds like a positive to me.
Good job we stuck by Harry Kane and he by us
during the lean multi-loan years.
Rose was another severely under-valued asset
that is now the best left back in the country.
Ditto Kyle Walker, but on the right.
Anyway thanks.

 

[Shadydan]

It wasn't sentiment that held us back
but trying to cut corners by frequently changing managers
and buying players that were destined to move on while we stood still.
Embodying the spirit of Spurs sounds like a positive to me.
Good job we stuck by Harry Kane and he by us
during the lean multi-loan years.
Rose was another severely under-valued asset
that is now the best left back in the country.
Ditto Kyle Walker, but on the right.
Anyway thanks.

Kane and Rose are two players who would get into virtually every team in the country...Mason and Carroll ended up at two teams who are flirting with relegation.

Thinks that's all that need to be said about that.

 

[panoma]

Sigh

Carroll's at best avarage. Would add nothing to our current team. For the record the same is true for Mason. There is a reason only Hull and Swansea came in for them.

Top blokes I'm sure, but not good enough for a club with our aspirations.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Carroll is doing really well for Swansea. He was never as good as Winks but a tidy player none the less and has help transform Swansea.