playes ratings thread ( vs Hapoel Tel-Aviv )

[nicdic]

Ramos has had 2 weeks in the job, things aren't going to be very different yet, it's going to take time chaps.

 

[nicdic]

True enough, but a little show of effort and interest wudnt have gone a miss, half decent opposition we`d have struggled. Maybe due to the fact they were utter shit accounted for the way we played?

I think over the years our players find it increasingly hard to put the effort in against smaller opposition, they just do enough, some say lazy, some say professional.

I say lazy.

 

[tartanspur100]

Robbo - 6 - Solid enough, but a dodgy pass to Stalteri and was nearly caught out with a cross-cum-shot.

Stalteri - 6 - Generally ok, but obviously a wee bit short of match sharpness.

Chimbo - 6 - The odd slack pass.

Dawson - 6 - Still not himself.

Lee - 6 - Did well enough, but still frustrates when has to check onto right foot in decent positions.

Steed - 8 - best player on the park first half, subbed shortly into the second. Possibly taken off with Sunday in mind, cause he was doing nothing wrong.

Jenas - 6 - Invisible for much of the game.

Zokora - 6 - played some pretty pictures in midfield but with no real effect.

Lennon - 6 - never really got into the game.

Keane - 7 - Clever play and good finish for his goal.

Berba - 6 - good finish but too often on the periphery of the game.

Subs

Bent, Defoe, Boateng - none of the three made any real impact

 

[Stoof]

F**k me, reading this has made me want to end it all.

It's a cup game, the only thing that matters is the result.

We scored two and kept a clean sheet, there's no extra prizes for scoring ten whilst knackering yourself out, this isn't some computer game.

This is professional football and we got the job done.

Thank. You.

Jesus Christ - I think people are expect Sevilla wing play and midfield sturdyness, after what is essentially 10 days in management.

We kept a clean sheet, didn't defend as badly as some would make out and did really play some nice give 'n' gos. We got a bit 'Arsenal last year' about our lack of final ball and finishing, but Bent was unlucky that his scuffed shot hit the post, otherwise it would have capped off a workmanlike performance.

You can only beat what's in front of you, and we did. And they put every single man behind the ball when their fella was sent off. I dare say if they had kept 11, we would have scored more.

Keane - 8 of his last starts = 8 goals. That's class. Pure unadulterated class.

Chimbonda eventually woke up to prove a solid partner for Dawson, who looks better shirking the responsibility to someone older and more experienced.

Stalteri eased back into the game like it was his 15th of the season - Lee looked a little shakey, but he's still the only defender who will clear his lines in time.

Zokora played his position well, he sat and he actually read the game a lot better. Jenas is starting to trust him more, and in the first half, even JJ himself zinged some nice balls through to Lennon - he pretty much disappeared after about 40 minutes, though.

Lennon was zippy - but his back-to-goalness is annoying me. He needs to be receiving the ball in front of him in space so he can run on to it. He's useless at receiving it when he's not facing the goal, he just won't turn and take on the man. His crossing needs work but an improvement, and he was making some good runs first half.

Malbranque has been our most consistently successful player of the season (more consistent than my beloved Keano in terms of performances across the board), and anyone that dares counter otherwise is a poofaced gaybear. Two quality crosses, both with the left foot - we really have untapped creativity in Malbranque, and I can't help feel he'd benefit from playing in the middle, despite what others say.

Berbatov isn't a happy chappy - the media have got to him, which is a cardinal sin for him to let happen. At times he looked interested, and made a good couple of runs, but he was moaning and groaning and arm waving at just about everyone. Good header, he just needs to get out of the rut, and score a belter. He did last year against Wigan, let's hope he does again this year come Sunday.

The subs - ShiftAndShoot didn't have much of a touch, Bent should have scored and KPB looked fresh - but none could affect a game already killed by the tenmenification.

Done. :up:

Ooh Robbo. Two good saves. One from that attempted cross that was going in and another rushing out of his goal. Apart from that he was throwing the ball more and looking for the fullbacks. Still the odd hoof - but you need that. Still scared at corners, however. :-(

 

[Netty]

We got a result which is the most important thing, kept a clean sheet which was also important. I was very impressed with Malbranque, had a very good game. I'd have liked to have seen the players playing to impress the boss though. Never mind, all in all a successfull night.

 

[Spursking]

I am not happy with the overall performance, but I am happy with the result. The results is the most important when we are in this situation. At times they managed to have some good passing football, but it is still very unconcistent. I liked to see the combination in midfield Zokora - Boateng. I think that is a combination we should try more.

 

[idlepete]

Robbo - 7. Just cos I missed his distribution.

Stalteri - 6. Did ok. Was more of a threat down the right than Lennon.

Chimbonda - 5. Never looked comfortable at CB.

Daws - 5. Stood off Whatsisname Jr far too much.

Lee - 6. Average game.

Lennon - 5. No end product.

Jenas - 5. How in the fuck could he not stamp his authority all over this game?

Zoko - 6. Energetic, no end product.

Steed - 8. Best player on the pitch. Inventive, hardworking, two assists, both with his left foot I think?

Keano - 7. Typical consistent performance.

Berbatov - 6. Was awful to start with, probably only deserving of a 4 or 5 even after scoring (unmarked), but probably the only player who improved as the game went on, even if it wasn't by much.

Bent & Defoe - 5 little impact

KPB - 6. When he came on I was interested to see what sort of player he is. Missed one good opportunity to put Bent through. Flew into a couple of mistimed challenges. Kept the ball quite well though, passing was better than JJ's.

 

[Shanks]

As its been said, the game was about getting 3 points tonight.

Bonus was that we kept a clean sheet and Robbo helped that, which is good for his confidence. Weird but I am starting to feel a little more comfortable with him in the last few games, made some cracking stops, so that above all is a bonus.

I only got to see the last 25 mins though, so can only comment on them.

KPB is a better version of Huddlestone, only glimpses seen, but good vision and control, gonna be a cracker I reckon.

I was impressed with Bent too. Made some great runs into channels and openings, and if we had a more creative midfielder he would have had more chances, little unlucky on his chance, lost balance, scuffed shot and defender got a little flick on it.

I felt if he hadn't stopped to put his hands in his head and followed ball, he may have scored.

Anyone else for Chimb to cover for Ledders until he is back.. might just be a great move from Ramos...

3 points int he bag, clean sheet... what more do you need..

 

[tRiKS]

away from home against such poor opposition isn't easy to remain motivated... if that were at home you'd have 34k cheering you on like Liverpool did against Besiktas in mid week. So although last night wasn't pretty i'm not gonna get too vexed about it.

Positives and negatives:

Negatives:

• passing and movement too slow
• too narrow
• players moaning at each other

Positives:

• Chimbondas improvement in his sense of positional and possesional responsibilty,Robbos better variety of short and long balls
• Berb scoring
• kean scoring
• steed setting up 2

 

[chrissivad]

Robbo - 6.5
Stalteri - 6
Dawson - 5
Chimbonda - 5
Lee - 6
Lennon - 6
Jenas - 5
Zokora -
Malbranque - 7
Berbatov - 6
Keane - 6.5

Defoe - 6
Bent - 6
KPB - 6

I dont see how anyone could give 8's or 9's to anyone. I thought me giving a 7 was pushing it.

Robbo made a good save in the second half though, but we lacked so much movement. Most tood and watched the ball cometo them before doing anything with it.

Poyet said before the game that today was only about the result, and it was.

 

[biggsyboy]

Malbranques 2 crosses = 2 goals. its all about crosses. when Bale comes back put him on the left and Malbranque on the right and tell Lennon to go practice his crossing

 

[gregga]

robbo - 7
lee - 6
dawson - 6
chimbonda - 6
stalteri - 6
malbranque - 7
jenas - 5
zokora - 6
lennon - 6
keane - 7
berbatov - 6

bent - 5
defoe - 5
boatang - 6

 

[Juande_Ramos]

I think I found fans as demanding as Barcelona's :razz:

Juande has been on the job for 10 days and people are demanding Brazil like perfomances from a team in the bottom three Eek.

Like the Guiness advert: Good things come to those who wait...well, maybe.

I am convinced that Juande is a better manager (results wise) than Jol.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

With King we averaged 1.8pts per game, which over a whole season is 68 pts which is the same as Liverpool and Arsenal. Without King we averaged 1.3 pts per game, which over the season would have been 49 pts and good enough for 12th place. It should also be noted King played in the majority of games against the top 4, so the big difference isn't because he didn't play in tougher games. If you take it a step further and look at the times both are top quality players were on the pitch (ie King and Berbs) we averaged 2pts per game, which was enough for 76pts, which is miles infront of Arsenal and Liverpool.

Do you know the PPG average last season when Gardner played ? I'm just interested, as my perception was that we generally were more frugall defensively when he played despite the general perception that he's a liability.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think I found fans as demanding as Barcelona's :razz:

Juande has been on the job for 10 days and people are demanding Brazil like perfomances from a team in the bottom three Eek.

Like the Guiness advert: Good things come to those who wait...well, maybe.

I am convinced that Juande is a better manager (results wise) than Jol.

Stick around. You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[joey55]

Do you know the PPG average last season when Gardner played ? I'm just interested, as my perception was that we generally were more frugall defensively when he played despite the general perception that he's a liability.

I didn't "know" the PPG for Leds. I worked it out. I'm not doing the same for you for Garnder, do it yourself. Though, I don't think it would be worth doing, as I can't really remember Gardener starting many games. Also with Gardner it would be better to look at how many goals we concede when he plays compared to when he doesn't. PPG is more relevant to Leds, as he is Captain and our best player, so has a far greater influence on the team overall.

 

[gibbs131]

I think an important point is that we were most dangerous down our weakest flank, the Left (when Bale is out)

Malbs deserves a lot of credit but it looks like he has been talked out of his shoot on sight mentality.

 

[Houdini]

I think JR had decided it was a wrap and just wanted to do a bit of experimenting, and also rest Keano and Malbranque, who were by some way our most effective players.

Let's not start questioning JR's decisions like some of us did Jol's. Instead, let's assume that they both have far more idea of what they're about than any of us.

This is how i saw it! JR said he wanted to give everyone a chance, and being 2-0 up was an opportunity to bring on others so he can assess them first hand and not rely on videos of them! Steed was a stand out last night, and JRs decision to sub him was to experiment with others, and nothing more in my opinion.
We will see a few decisions like this in the future, and if we could be a goal or two up, and then bring on the likes Berby, Keane and Steed, then his choice of team and subs selection will be justified, we wait and see..........and hope for the best!

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I think I found fans as demanding as Barcelona's :razz:

Juande has been on the job for 10 days and people are demanding Brazil like perfomances from a team in the bottom three Eek.

Like the Guiness advert: Good things come to those who wait...well, maybe.

I am convinced that Juande is a better manager (results wise) than Jol.

We're way better than Brazil!!! :razz:

Actually right now I couldn't care less how we play, the fact we have kept two clean sheets in the last 3 games is an absolute miracle in my mind. When you are right down at the bottom of the table and on a bad run it is all about results. When the confidence returns (and you can sense it happening already) then we will start to play free flowing football again, we will score 4 goals against a number of teams this season, just as we did last season.

 

[DC_Boy]

When people say had we played like that we'd have lost against etc etc - fair enough we're all entitled to our opinion but for me I'm prepared to give our team the benefit of the doubt and say we are capable of raising our game you know - see Pool away eg - and that was in the 'pre-Ramos' days - and I'm very confident that a Ramos team can raise their game too