Poch needs to take a long hard look at himself.

[dannythomas]

If we dont beat Chelsea and Swansea, he needs to go. He has 2 more games for me. He needs to win and have us playing good football. Otherwise, he can fuck off out of here.

I'm not sure he's the one who should fuck off out of here.....

 

[Shadydan]

Another thread that will get bumped out of hilarity when all is rosy it seems.

 

[FreddieYid]

My god, there are some short sighted morons with short memories on here

 

[Hercules]

My god, there are some short sighted morons with short memories on here

Why are they 'short sighted morons'? Because they are not licking arse and rightfully so constructively criticising the shambles before our 'eyes'. Short sighted who?

 

[dontcallme]

My god, there are some short sighted morons with short memories on here

Not sure that's really fair.

There's lots of good critiques in this thread with lots of very valid opinions. Its been a good read for the most part.

Yankspurs should always be ignored but him and a couple of others aside this has been a good thread.

 

[Metalhead]

Why are they 'short sighted morons'? Because they are not licking arse and rightfully so constructively criticising the shambles before our 'eyes'. Short sighted who?

Morons is harsh but if you contrast some of the hardcore criticism now with the gushing praise towards Poch when we were doing well, he may perhaps be hitting on the extremes that we tend to get on here.

 

[RicOfPeace]

No player or manager is above criticism and Poch has done well for us but he has huge flaws imo tactically he hasn't been great & if as said he was the one who wanted Sissoko & Janssen then maybe he shouldn't be trusted with money too.
Substitutions are 90% of the time negative or too late in a game to matter & every real big game we have massively underachieved.
Every chance we had of going top last season we flopped massively.
Carling Cup final against Chelsea we was poor and in every European game be it Europa or champions league against a half decent side we haven't been good enough or have chose a weakened side stupidly.
We basically for the last few years have given up on most cup competitions including the league cup this season to qualify for the champions league only to embarrass ourselves.
Chelsea on Saturday is a must win imo after the ridiculously bad performance and team we put out against Monaco.
It's a sad state of affairs when I look at our side and think yeah we can be hard to beat but man are we boring to watch.
What this side needs is some actual flair or width we can have 70% possession in most games but actually create fuck all and it's so atrocious to sit through.
We used to be entertaining to watch and at least the players tried even tho they probably were shit but against Monaco etc we have been hopeless and unattractive to watch & the players didn't look like they cared.

 

[yankspurs]

Not sure that's really fair.

There's lots of good critiques in this thread with lots of very valid opinions. Its been a good read for the most part.

Yankspurs should always be ignored but him and a couple of others aside this has been a good thread.

So its not a valid criticism if its coming from me? Just because you disagree with me does not mean its invalid. High time for a bunch of you pompous clowns on this board to come to that realization.

 

[dontcallme]

So its not a valid criticism if its coming from me? Just because you disagree with me does not mean its invalid. High time for a bunch of you pompous clowns on this board to come to that realization.

Maybe you could consider the way you word things.

You hyperbole and go too far with every opinion which makes you come across as a complete ass.

 

[mrbrightside73]

I dont think Pochettinos bothered about Europe.I think he wants a League title, and he'll focus more on Europe down the line.He's made too many changes in too many big European games to convince me its a priority

 

[Hercules]

Morons is harsh but if you contrast some of the hardcore criticism now with the gushing praise towards Poch when we were doing well, he may perhaps be hitting on the extremes that we tend to get on here.

I don't know about that. Many in here were champing we only needed Janssen, and back up full backs were good, and youngsters were 'best since Fergie's 'Class of 92'. Tongue in cheek of course. I said in the summer we were short and questioned some of our signings. Poch has seriously hit it very wrong. The buck stops with him. Injuries etc will always happen. Players like Eriksen and Lamela have not hit the heights, and personally we should take the best offers on them ASAP. The place has become too comfortable, and now we will find out what the manager is made of.

 

[mpickard2087]

So its not a valid criticism if its coming from me?.

Rated Winner just for this bit.

 

[yankspurs]

I don't know about that. Many in here were champing we only needed Janssen, and back up full backs were good, and youngsters were 'best since Fergie's 'Class of 92'. Tongue in cheek of course. I said in the summer we were short and questioned some of our signings. Poch has seriously hit it very wrong. The buck stops with him. Injuries etc will always happen. Players like Eriksen and Lamela have not hit the heights, and personally we should take the best offers on them ASAP. The place has become too comfortable, and now we will find out what the manager is made of.

Lamela can stay. He actually tries to make things happen. Eriksen can fuck right off to Italy or something. Someone of Eriksen's potential should be playing for the big clubs, but Eriksen does not have the mental ability to be anywhere near that level. If we are able to get in a good replacement in January, I'd sell him without hesitation if the offer was good.

 

[Metalhead]

I don't know about that. Many in here were champing we only needed Janssen, and back up full backs were good, and youngsters were 'best since Fergie's 'Class of 92'. Tongue in cheek of course. I said in the summer we were short and questioned some of our signings. Poch has seriously hit it very wrong. The buck stops with him. Injuries etc will always happen. Players like Eriksen and Lamela have not hit the heights, and personally we should take the best offers on them ASAP. The place has become too comfortable, and now we will find out what the manager is made of.

I think that you have made some decent points. Frustrating when you have players that are talented but inconsistent. Your last sentence is spot on.

 

[dontcallme]

Lamela can stay. He actually tries to make things happen. Eriksen can fuck right off to Italy or something. Someone of Eriksen's potential should be playing for the big clubs, but Eriksen does not have the mental ability to be anywhere near that level. If we are able to get in a good replacement in January, I'd sell him without hesitation if the offer was good.

Probably best if you stop telling our manager and players to fuck off. You're a grown man, use your vocabulary.

 

[Metalhead]

Lamela can stay. He actually tries to make things happen. Eriksen can fuck right off to Italy or something. Someone of Eriksen's potential should be playing for the big clubs, but Eriksen does not have the mental ability to be anywhere near that level. If we are able to get in a good replacement in January, I'd sell him without hesitation if the offer was good.

I agree about Eriksen. He is infuriatingly inconsistent. Talented for sure but never for long periods.

 

[Jcass3]

I dont think Pochettinos bothered about Europe.I think he wants a League title, and he'll focus more on Europe down the line.He's made too many changes in too many big European games to convince me its a priority

Poch made it pretty clear in his interview after the match that his only real priority is to qualify for the champions league on a regular basis. Its hard for us to take but clearly the money is the most important thing to spurs over the next few seasons and the league is our only priority. With a new stadium to build we need to look at the bigger picture and until he has a stronger squad its gonna be 1st team in the league and rotation in everything else. Hopefully it will be worth it in a few seasons time but give Poch a break. He's only doing what his Levy wants and he's the best man for the job. COYS

 

[shelfboy68]

I don't know about that. Many in here were champing we only needed Janssen, and back up full backs were good, and youngsters were 'best since Fergie's 'Class of 92'. Tongue in cheek of course. I said in the summer we were short and questioned some of our signings. Poch has seriously hit it very wrong. The buck stops with him. Injuries etc will always happen. Players like Eriksen and Lamela have not hit the heights, and personally we should take the best offers on them ASAP. The place has become too comfortable, and now we will find out what the manager is made of.

I might be wrong here but didn't we get various ITK stating that Poch felt he did not need a lot and wanting to keep good spirit/morale up etc.
It does appear now once the season has got into full swing that the summer's recruitment and decision making has been a bit botched, plus throw in his black box man who decided to leave it has not been a great effort all round.

 

[fecka]

I think this is an interesting post and I'm not only disappointed about last night but also frustrated and disappointed. We all saw a mile away that when we signed Sissoko it was going to go tits up and I'm baffled that anyone in their right mind would actually bet on him after his last few seasons in Newcastle but here we are and we need to make the best of it. People also forget that Janssen is a young player in only his second season of top flight football, we have a really young squad and we have had a massive injury problem, something we didn't have last year. Poch likes to operate with a young squad and I trust him all the way even though I fully understand the people yearning for more immediate results.

On the other hand, I've read many posts in this thread now about Dier not being played in midfield and sticking with Wanyama for no reason and I can't help but think that people must have short memories. Dier was injured in the beginning of the season and as soon as he was healthy, Toby got injured. Wimmer has regressed immensely and our 4th CB is a very promising but unexperienced Carter-Vickers and thus Dier has been played at CB instead. It's not like Wanyama has been shoe horned into the side out of favouritism, it is because of necessity as Dembele has been injured, suspended and out of form for most parts of the season and Dier playing at CB to cover for Toby. Also, Davies is not as bad as people are putting him out to be and he's definitely not the reason why we have been turgid in attack.

We're having issues right now that we haven't had under Poch or in a few years now as we have been injury plagued in key positions. Kane isn't firing as he was last year because of reasons, mostly because the biggest difference compared to last year is our movement in the front four is not at all what it used to be and while I agree it is Poch's responsibility I'm just not able to put all the blame on him as the players are not running like they used to and they seem to suffer from both a lack of confidence and being mentally exhausted.

The players and the manager are neither machines or without fault but I just can't shake off this feeling that we're going to have a good season and we have to believe in Poch as he has shown us repeatedly that he deserves it. While CL has been a shit show, we are undefeated in the league and within 4 points of the leaders after a very rough patch.

Being stuck in the past complaining about summer transfers, Poch or Eriksen isn't doing anyone good. Supporting, cheering for and believing in our team and manager will however. Constructive criticism where it's due is good but showering shit out of disappointment and anger is just not the same thing.

 

[FreddieYid]

Why are they 'short sighted morons'? Because they are not licking arse and rightfully so constructively criticising the shambles before our 'eyes'. Short sighted who?

Not sure that's really fair.
There's lots of good critiques in this thread with lots of very valid opinions. Its been a good read for the most part.
Yankspurs should always be ignored but him and a couple of others aside this has been a good thread.

I agree it has been a good debate and some good and valid arguments have been put forward. I wasn't aiming the comment towards people with differing opinions, but those who make comments like 'if we don't beat both Chelsea and Swansea he has to be sacked'... they're who the post was aimed at.

Short sighted... Because it's November and as abject and embarrassing as the CL has been, and as much as we haven't clicked into gear at all this season, we're not badly placed in the league. There are a lot of good things happening at our club and to call for the managers head this early is, in my mind short sighted.

And Short Memories... do I really need to explain that comment, a mere 6 months after our best league finish in 27 years.