Pochettino Press Conferences

[Led's Zeppelin]

I actually don't think he meant "No" to the question "has there been a recent change then?". (Of course everyone here has watched the clip and we all interpret his response slightly differently, hence the differing opinions on what he meant when he said what he said.)

But my interpretation was he firstly said "sorry?" then said "no no - that's not a question for me", which I took to mean "you have to ask my boss, Daniel Levy".

He also says "maybe the club needs to change my job description now, because my job now is to coach the team".

Interestingly - when his job title changed in 2016, he did admit that in truth his role wouldn't change, but he made it clear he felt more like a manager than a Head Coach anyway as he had responsibilities beyond coaching that he shared with Daniel Levy, but that Levy always had the final say:

Cartilage Free Captain article (2016)


And yet now, he quite clearly appears to say this is not the case. He claims to have no idea (or say) on who is leaving, who is staying and what is happening with player contracts. Whether this is true or not, it seems to be how he feels and he's making no bones about making this public.

Finally, whether he meant this as a completely neutral comment on how things are done, or with some aspirations of what he wanted, he allegedly made the comments that Guardiola and Klopp enjoy "complete control" over their clubs, unlike Spurs, Chelsea or Arsenal (here).

So, I don't think he is simply frustrated, I think he's actually coming across as quite pissed off, in my opinion.

I see it differently.

I am certain that he still discusses these things with Levy.

Of all his faults, Levy has never pretended to know about football at the playing level. That's why he's employed directors of football in the past. That's why he set up that transfer "panel" with Pochettino.

But I'm also sure that once Pochettino has talked to Levy about which players he wants to keep and which he doesn't mind losing, and all the permutations, he then leaves it up to Levy to do the negotiations, which to my personal knowledge can be very protracted.

At this stage it is no doubt true that Pochettino doesn't know every detail about where things stand on negotiations. It's not his job to do so, and never has been. But that doesn't mean he has no say in these matters. Of course he does.

The same with transfers; I very much doubt that Levy would buy a player without Pochettino having given him the nod. Levy is not reckless with money, that's for sure, so why wouldn't he consult the one expert who's no only close to hand and has no conflict of interest, but who he's already paying?

So there's a very clear division of responsibility, but it's simplistic in the extreme (in my view) to believe this means that Pochettino has no say in these matters. Of course he does, as he always has, and there's no reason to suppose that this has changed.

I read the comment about changing his job title as a jibe at the press for consistently misunderstanding his job.

And I can see no evidence that he's pissed off with the club.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Where the fudge is the Poch thread?

Anyhoo:

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Where the fudge is the Poch thread?

Anyhoo:

Lucky he isn't a manager ...

 

[TURKISH69]

Well that told me eh?

I'll try one more time to see if it sinks in.

In the early 90's we were bankrupt, on the verge of ceasing to exist as a club. Alan Sugar then stepped in and halted the hemorrhaging, but did nothing to advance the club. We remained in limbo with virtually zero funds, no coherent strategy for our future, a dwindling fanbase and on the verge of ending up like Burnley with a glorious distant past with a bleak future as a team making up the numbers. We were a laughing stock to every team in the league with the likes of Ferguson coming out with that famous quote "lads, it's Tottenham."
Then ENIC took over, with Levy taking the reins. Over that time he's employed a policy of regular player trading where we consistently upgraded our playing staff. We took a number of hits on managers, but the whole time he was looking to set in place a system whereby we'd identify good prospects, get them in cheap, develop them and get us competing at consistently higher levels. The first fruits of this success were when we then qualified for Europe under Jol.

All the time this was going on, ENIC were quietly buying up parcels of land for the training complex and the stadium, the plan being to get our foundations right so that we could consistently compete at the highest level.

We now see this vision coming to fruition as we are now competing at that highest level with regular title challenges, cup finals and, something I only ever dreamed of, challenging for the biggest honour in club Football, the CL title. The only thing missing to date has been the cherry on top of a title or trophy.

Now we had a league cup win under Ramos, so you actually believe that was glory? I can barely remember that, what I do remember was the following season where we were getting reamed until Harry took over.

Glory my arse. We were still inconsistent, weren't close to challenging the Sky 4 and were still seen as a laughing stock "cup team" by everyone else. Aspirations above our station with the odd 2 Bob cup win to crow about.

That may satisfy you, evidently it does from your tirade, but it doesn't me. I want ys back where we were in the 60's, one of the most feared teams in Europe, only I want more. I want us to exceed what we achieved and I want us to do it for longer. I want the kind of success Utd had under Ferguson. The thing is, Ferguson achieved what he did because the clubs foundations were solid already, and even then he needed a fair bit of fortune, something we haven't had with the emergence of Chelsea and then City.

Even so, we've consistently gotten bigger, closer to the glory and it hasn't been inconsistent, it's been sustained. That is all down to Levy.

It's a tired and.lazy insult to use the "Levy lovers" fallback line, that's the routine of the wilfully ignorant when there is overwhelming evidence to prove you wrong, much of which I've already posted. It would be nice to think you'd stop and ruminate over that, but I won't hold my breath.

Some people are prepared to revise their opinion when facts are put before them, others CHOOSE to ignore those facts because they don't fit their narrative. I'm going to bet now that you won't refute one single thing I've said, won't offer any kind of counter argument to demonstrate that I'm wrong because...

The best you'll offer is a disagree, the worst being another Levy lover rant, the middle ground being another inarticulate rant about "glory."

Prove.me wrong.

Fair play you must Mr Levy but don’t insult me as you don’t know me, I’ve been a fan no doubt as long as you? I’ve remember the mediocrity of mid table trying to win to stay up. I remember the good times in the early 80s with Ossie and Villa, Parksey in 84 to take us to European glory beating forest then Leicester and finally beating Chelsea in 2008. But one thing you seem to forget them dates will be etched in our history. Not finishing in the top four every year and getting to the odd final. So please before you attempt to mock me I don’t want be known as the nearly boys being mocked as the same old spurs comments they all used to call us. I want history it’s been 11 yrs then another 5 then another 5 as fans we can see all the profits being made, sponsorship deals , NFL etc. We are now a billionaire club with bottom wage structure . That needs to change for us to progress but under Levy and Lewis who I thank for all the off field infrastructure, I don’t care about that I care about the history the glory which I’m afraid will not happen under Levy and Lewis’s tenure. If does I will hold my hands up, so please don’t insult me because of my opinion as I respect yours. But it will not happen under Levy

 

[soup]

A lot of these replies are tantamount to a mother thinking of a million reasons why little Tommy isn't really being a bad boy.

Levy made it very clear that the infrastructure needed to be in place to grow as a club and they (MP and DL), as a team were firmly putting the club in place for the future. Levy made it happen and now here we are.

Poch seemed very happy last season, but it seemed the better we did, the grumpier he became.

His suggestion that he'd walk away if we won the CL a couple of weeks before the CL final was unwarranted and set a bad feeling about the place.

He banned players from talking about their futures/transfers etc., but then told us all he might leave.

His sulking all summer and then telling everyone about how unhappy he was is fairly obvious and not needed, we get the disappointment, we don't need it rammed down our throats. He is there is gee-up the players, not sulk. A lot of the players have been in the media talking of coming back stronger. Poch is still sulking.

We've made a club record signing, just beaten Juventus and Madrid, are moving into our new stadium after a CL final and on our way to becoming one of the elite at last. So, why the fuck is he so moody?

If it were a player making these noises we'd all want him out. The Man U job isn't available, the RM job isn't available, so I'm really trying to fathom why he's seemingly a new person and not the likeable Poch we all know and love.

He is starting to derail all our hard work (well, his hard work) and although I put him on a pedestal, he is not doing himself any favours at the moment. I really feel it's come to a point where if he really isn't that happy here anymore he should just leave and stop putting the cat amongst the pigeons at every opportunity.

Someone coined it on here, can't remember who it was, who said that the club have caught themselves off guard somewhat by being so far ahead of our 5 year plan and vastly overachieving, whether it be down to us or other clubs failing.

I just wish he'd tow the party line a bit more and not tell the footballing world that we should be seen as such an inspiration to 'all other clubs' one week and then start this shit again the next week.

Love you Poch, but this is starting to get a bit tiresome.

 

[TURKISH69]

Levy doesn't want us to be leicester. He wants us to be the next man utd. Challenging year in year out.

Please do me a favour

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

That's why he's employed directors of football in the past.

This - might be the biggest issue we have right now, in the club hierarchy. Whatever you think of Baldini - he was able to sell players on.

We need a DOF, not necessarily to identify players to buy, or even negotiate sales/contracts, but as someone who has the contacts and trust to be able to sell the deadwood at reasonable prices.

 

[Khilari]

I see it differently.

I am certain that he still discusses these things with Levy.

Of all his faults, Levy has never pretended to know about football at the playing level. That's why he's employed directors of football in the past. That's why he set up that transfer "panel" with Pochettino.

But I'm also sure that once Pochettino has talked to Levy about which players he wants to keep and which he doesn't mind losing, and all the permutations, he then leaves it up to Levy to do the negotiations, which to my personal knowledge can be very protracted.

At this stage it is no doubt true that Pochettino doesn't know every detail about where things stand on negotiations. It's not his job to do so, and never has been. But that doesn't mean he has no say in these matters. Of course he does.

The same with transfers; I very much doubt that Levy would buy a player without Pochettino having given him the nod. Levy is not reckless with money, that's for sure, so why wouldn't he consult the one expert who's no only close to hand and has no conflict of interest, but who he's already paying?

So there's a very clear division of responsibility, but it's simplistic in the extreme (in my view) to believe this means that Pochettino has no say in these matters. Of course he does, as he always has, and there's no reason to suppose that this has changed.

I read the comment about changing his job title as a jibe at the press for consistently misunderstanding his job.

And I can see no evidence that he's pissed off with the club.

Yes, I very much doubt Levy's buying/selling players without Pochettino's knowledge or indeed agreement.

But he quite clearly says in press conference that he has no knowledge of who is staying, coming or going and that he is simply working with the tools (players) he has and is given by the club. He's not saying "I'm not in charge", he's literally saying he doesn't know anything and nothing is in his hands.

Assuming the first statement is true (that he does of course have a say and input into the club's transfers), then to me the second statement means he's annoyed and being made to feel like simply like a coach, rather than his title, manager.

Again - I guess it's all down to individual interpretation but the majority of news outlets have reported this in a negative light (their job to garner more reads/clicks/hits you could argue) but the only ones to take this as "not a big deal" are a proportion of Spurs fans on here.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

We beat Real Madrid in a pre-season friendly. Pochettino himself says it's about building up fitness, playing our philosophy and tactics and that the result isn't necessarily important.

And when asked about the performance of one of our players during the game, he gets pissed off and appears to misunderstand the question.

What exactly does he think he will be asked about in a preseason presser with a week to go before the transfer window shuts? Sure, he has made it clear he doesn't "know" anything about contracts or transfers, but unless he lives on another planet, he ought to know that almost every football related sports story published at the moment is to do with transfer speculation. Instead of saying that he doesn't want to discuss transfers, he goes on a rant about his role at the club, which as we can see has led to a number of media headlines.

If someone constantly asked me about something and I constantly told them I will not discuss transfers and contracts then I would get the hump too.

He's also known not to single people out for praise re: Lamela.

 

[ronspurs]

just to put this in perspective.

to me it looks like the manager is getting upset as we haven't decided to break the bank to sign a sub attacking midfielder and a youth project "letf sided player" (who didn't set the prem on fire last year). btw both of whom would not be able to play at the start of the season anyway due to match fitness / injuries / Copa America.

All seems very silly and unnecessary.

If we were talking about 2 first XI players and we risked missing out to a rival it would be a different story

 

[TaoistMonkey]

chortle

 

[SteveH]

Sadly Pochettino is coming over as a bit of a wimp unable to cope with the press.
Bless!

 

[Metalhead]

Yes, I very much doubt Levy's buying/selling players without Pochettino's knowledge or indeed agreement.

But he quite clearly says in press conference that he has no knowledge of who is staying, coming or going and that he is simply working with the tools (players) he has and is given by the club. He's not saying "I'm not in charge", he's literally saying he doesn't know anything and nothing is in his hands.

Assuming the first statement is true (that he does of course have a say and input into the club's transfers), then to me the second statement means he's annoyed and being made to feel like simply like a coach, rather than his title, manager.

Again - I guess it's all down to individual interpretation but the majority of news outlets have reported this in a negative light (their job to garner more reads/clicks/hits you could argue) but the only ones to take this as "not a big deal" are a proportion of Spurs fans on here.

It it wasn't for the fact that he said something along the lines of 'maybe I should just be a coach', considering all the fanfare when he got his job title change to manager was, just in my opinion, telling.

 

[Lilbaz]

Fair play you must Mr Levy but don’t insult me as you don’t know me, I’ve been a fan no doubt as long as you? I’ve remember the mediocrity of mid table trying to win to stay up. I remember the good times in the early 80s with Ossie and Villa, Parksey in 84 to take us to European glory beating forest then Leicester and finally beating Chelsea in 2008. But one thing you seem to forget them dates will be etched in our history. Not finishing in the top four every year and getting to the odd final. So please before you attempt to mock me I don’t want be known as the nearly boys being mocked as the same old spurs comments they all used to call us. I want history it’s been 11 yrs then another 5 then another 5 as fans we can see all the profits being made, sponsorship deals , NFL etc. We are now a billionaire club with bottom wage structure . That needs to change for us to progress but under Levy and Lewis who I thank for all the off field infrastructure, I don’t care about that I care about the history the glory which I’m afraid will not happen under Levy and Lewis’s tenure. If does I will hold my hands up, so please don’t insult me because of my opinion as I respect yours. But it will not happen under Levy

You know what is etched in my memory? Gazzas free kick against arsenal.
Bales hattrick against inter.
Being in the san siro when crouch scored the winner.
Crouch's winner v man city to get cl.
Danny rose goal against arsenal.
Llorente getting us through to the cl semi final.

If you can only remember trophies, you have missed out on a lot and tbh i think it's a bit sad.

 

[Ionman34]

Fair play you must Mr Levy but don’t insult me as you don’t know me, I’ve been a fan no doubt as long as you? I’ve remember the mediocrity of mid table trying to win to stay up. I remember the good times in the early 80s with Ossie and Villa, Parksey in 84 to take us to European glory beating forest then Leicester and finally beating Chelsea in 2008. But one thing you seem to forget them dates will be etched in our history. Not finishing in the top four every year and getting to the odd final. So please before you attempt to mock me I don’t want be known as the nearly boys being mocked as the same old spurs comments they all used to call us. I want history it’s been 11 yrs then another 5 then another 5 as fans we can see all the profits being made, sponsorship deals , NFL etc. We are now a billionaire club with bottom wage structure . That needs to change for us to progress but under Levy and Lewis who I thank for all the off field infrastructure, I don’t care about that I care about the history the glory which I’m afraid will not happen under Levy and Lewis’s tenure. If does I will hold my hands up, so please don’t insult me because of my opinion as I respect yours. But it will not happen under Levy

Insult you?
Here we go. No counter argument so make it personal.

The point I'm making obviously hasn't sunk in, surprise surprise.

You don't care about the infrastructure, only the glory...

One more time and I'll say it really loud this time...

THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SUCCESS ARE INTRINSICALLY LINKED. WITHOUT THE FORMER YOU CANT HAVE A SUSTAINED LATTER.

Utd have proven this, Liverpool have proven this, Barcelona have proven this, Bayern have proven this, and guess what, WE PROVED THIS WHEN WE WERE THE RICHEST CLUB IN THE COUNTRY IN THE 60's.

Irving Scholar chased the glory in the 80's and nearly killed the club I love because he didn't have the foundations to sustain it. Ken Bates did that with Chelsea who got bailed out by Abramovich at the 11th hour. Peter Ridsdale did it with Leeds and where are they?

You seeing the pattern yet?

Our infrastructure has only just been delivered, it's not even up to full steam yet,, but when it does get there I truly believe we'll see the glory and all made possible by Levy. That's not being a Levy lover, it's just a simple stating of facts.

I can remember people ranting for his head for over a decade now. A few years ago we had the thread here stating that Levy had taken us as far as he could when we struggled to break top 4. How'd that statement work out?

Every season we get the same, yet for every step backwards we've had to take we've taken 2 strides forward. This isn't fanciful thinking, the facts are there for anyone and everyone to check.

We are on the cusp of being a European powerhouse and you want to gooner off the bloke who made that all.possible?

Fuck me drunk but Rodney Marsh was right about some of our fanbase.

 

[BPR_U16]

And whilst Poch moans, Betis and Fulham will believe they have the upper hand in the transfer sagas and that we will cave in to the price wanted to keep him and fans happy.

 

[TURKISH69]

You know what is etched in my memory? Gazzas free kick against arsenal.
Bales hattrick against inter.
Being in the san siro when crouch scored the winner.
Crouch's winner v man city to get cl.
Danny rose goal against arsenal.
Llorente getting us through to the cl final.

If you can only remember trophies, you have missed out on a lot and tbh i think it's a bit sad.

Fair play pal my daughters middle name is Rose if your going down that road, so if you haven’t got anything constructive to add join the gooners forum. 50 yrs they won’t remember them so please!!!

 

[Lilbaz]

Fair play pal my daughters middle name is Rose if your going down that road, so if you haven’t got anything constructive to add join the gooners forum. 50 yrs they won’t remember them so please!!!

Constructive? Lol

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Haha, I love it when the BSoDL get motivated and mobilised.

It’s like Jim White on the marching powder only currently they have a point

I’m not Levy’s biggest fan but fuck me, at least wait until the window closes and we know where we are before sticking the boot into shortshanks because right at this moment it could all end very well and you’ll all be polishing his head with your ballbags

 

[TURKISH69]

Insult you?
Here we go. No counter argument so make it personal.

The point I'm making obviously hasn't sunk in, surprise surprise.

You don't care about the infrastructure, only the glory...

One more time and I'll say it really loud this time...

THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SUCCESS ARE INTRINSICALLY LINKED. WITHOUT THE FORMER YOU CANT HAVE A SUSTAINED LATTER.

Utd have proven this, Liverpool have proven this, Barcelona have proven this, Bayern have proven this, and guess what, WE PROVED THIS WHEN WE WERE THE RICHEST CLUB IN THE COUNTRY IN THE 60's.

Irving Scholar chased the glory in the 80's and nearly killed the club I love because he didn't have the foundations to sustain it. Ken Bates did that with Chelsea who got bailed out by Abramovich at the 11th hour. Peter Ridsdale did it with Leeds and where are they?

You seeing the pattern yet?

Our infrastructure has only just been delivered, it's not even up to full steam yet,, but when it does get there I truly believe we'll see the glory and all made possible by Levy. That's not being a Levy lover, it's just a simple stating of facts.

I can remember people ranting for his head for over a decade now. A few years ago we had the thread here stating that Levy had taken us as far as he could when we struggled to break top 4. How'd that statement work out?

Every season we get the same, yet for every step backwards we've had to take we've taken 2 strides forward. This isn't fanciful thinking, the facts are there for anyone and everyone to check.

We are on the cusp of being a European powerhouse and you want to gooner off the bloke who made that all.possible?

Fuck me drunk but Rodney Marsh was right about some of our fanbase.

If you didn’t read what I said the infrastructure is now complete and I thank them for that no excuses now so we will see what Levy and Lewis are made of. I will reserve my judgement,so your obviously not getting what I’m saying we pay bottom half wages for a billionaire club in my opinion yes my opinion that will not change hope I’m wrong but will not, so we will not go to the next level as players will get more money at other clubs, as all Levy and Lewis care about is money they are an investment company. And going back to Liverpool , Utd, Madrid , Barca you haven’t got a case there they have been winning trophies for 60 to 70 yrs if not more our last era was really 60/61 nearly 60 yrs ago so your talking rubbish there we miles behind.