Poker

[Bromavinci]

I joined up to pokerstars.com and won my first sit and go table - looked at the double or nothing tables but got done on the river for the 2 i played..but looks easy money alright. Looks like you have to play ridiculously tight though. One guy beat someone all in early then sat out until i went out..dont know if he came back...

 

[Rackybear]

Thought id bump this as im REALLY into poker atm. Have been playing online everyday for a while now. Dont know if thats a good thing..

Any on SC be interested in setting up like a 10 man tourny on a site, real money?

 

[Goldman]

You know im in Racky! NLHE i guess would be what most people would play? Although HA (half NLHE half PLO) is brilliant, or just PLO..


Racky what sites you play on? You gonna play in any WCOOP events? Or any of the mini FTOPs coming up? Guess it depends on where you play, so it might be a no to both of those

I had a real sick tourney the other day, $150+13 buy in, 550 ish players, i came 14th for just under 900 dollars. But 1st prize was $20k, sigh... If i won that i could finally afford to move out lol. But had a standard cooler, blah blah blah boring bad beat story.

 

[Rackybear]

You know im in Racky! NLHE i guess would be what most people would play? Although HA (half NLHE half PLO) is brilliant, or just PLO..


Racky what sites you play on? You gonna play in any WCOOP events? Or any of the mini FTOPs coming up? Guess it depends on where you play, so it might be a no to both of those

I had a real sick tourney the other day, $150+13 buy in, 550 ish players, i came 14th for just under 900 dollars. But 1st prize was $20k, sigh... If i won that i could finally afford to move out lol. But had a standard cooler, blah blah blah boring bad beat story.

I play on skybet, but its soooo blatently fixed I think im going to stop playing on their. I mean, like 6 times (no exaggeration) ive had pocket Kings, and been raised pre-flop ridicoulos amounts, and I always sit their and think "this is so bate, he has pocket A's..but I cant not go all in or call him"..so I call just to put myself out of own misery and see what the other player has..lo and behold he has pocket aces and I get knocked out. 6 TIMES!!

Their are other ridicoulos hands as well, like constantly losing when I have Ace / King to someones measly Ace / 5 or something.

Its like the hands are set up on purpose to bring about action from the players. Purposely dealt Pocket Kings / Aces / 10's to various players to make them play..its a bit strange really. Rant over anyway.

Nah, goldy, im not planning on playing in any of those events. Im not that serious, although if I ever felt I was that good, then id probably consider it.

Have you read any books on poker that have been helpful for you or made you a better player?

Also, I take it you play reallly tight in these 500 man tournaments, you'd have to I imagine if you intend on getting to the final few tables and in the money. Like, let others get impatient and call each other all in and knock themselves out etc..

Same method for the double your money games, right?

 

[Goldman]

Yea i know it can feel a bit rigged at times online, but i dont really care too much. It seems to be evening out atm for me!

Books, well ive read like 10 or so, mostly game theory, but also advanced mathmatics, and one book about Zen lol (called Zen and the art of Poker). The best books i found to start off with were the Harrington on Hold em 1+2 editions. But alot of theories in those books are a bit dated, but it will for sure give you the foundations needed to be a successful poker player. Its a far more aggressive game these days, the best way to learn is simply to just keep putting in the hours playing.

A useful book to me was by these three online players, about tournament strategy. I dont have the book on me now but i will post the name later. That was useful to find out how three modern day players approach certain situations.

With my tournament strat in big fields, it really depends on the table and how everyone else is playing. If you have a decent starting stack i tend to play very loose early on (low suited connectors etc, plus set mining small pocket pairs), trying to build up a nice stack and put pressure on other players. As the middle stage comes, im more tight and aggressive. In the latter stages is when i become more loose again, picking on the players who just are aiming to min cash. When the bubble is coming up its the best spot to pick on the nits. Then when it comes to the FT, i just play for first, best way to play imo.

But your strat should alter depending on your players at your table, and the stack sizes around you. But patience is the key for sure! You can play a whole hour and fold every hand. Ive done it, it sucks.. But thats why i normally play 2-4 games at a time.

What sort of games do you play at the moment?

 

[haxman]

Racky, they're all the same mate, you'll see bad beats everywhere. I've stopped playing online cause I can't handle the variance, it's not that I think the sites are rigged (there's no value in that for the sites themselves), but I see patterns on each of the sites I've played on. You lodge money in your account, you play well - for a while, your confidence is up, as is your bank balance. Then things turn and you cannot win a single hand, muppets calling with ace-rag against your AK or KK and spiking their 3 outer, and the losing streaks tend to last a lot longer than the winning streaks.

Give me a live game anyday, yeah it's a bit slower, but you seem to see less beats due to the lower number of hands you play so it's easier to deal with. I cannot stand muppet play, and would consider myself a decent, tight aggressive player, but unfortunately online poker is full of idiots who see paint and go "great, KQ, or KJ, must call this all in" and usually hit. Ask the majority of people about the odds in poker and they'll look at you as if you had two heads.

 

[Bromavinci]

I havent played for ages - was up 2k on Full Tilt and lost it all in ridiculous beats over 2 weeks, was so pissed off! But must get back on - Im open to sites if any recommendations, have tried most of them by now, but there are more and more each day!

 

[Goldman]

Give me a live game anyday, yeah it's a bit slower, but you seem to see less beats due to the lower number of hands you play so it's easier to deal with. I cannot stand muppet play, and would consider myself a decent, tight aggressive player, but unfortunately online poker is full of idiots who see paint and go "great, KQ, or KJ, must call this all in" and usually hit. Ask the majority of people about the odds in poker and they'll look at you as if you had two heads.

I disagree with this quite abit Haxman.

For one, i enjoy live, but where i play there are as many idiots as online. Which in the long run, is a good thing! (If you are a good player).

My only problem with live poker is that it takes me a while to get there and back, travel expenses + food and drink are high (i play in London). Also you see far less hands than online, and so i find money making online is so much more +EV. Plus you dont get rakeback playing live

Your comment about the odds, is quite strange to me. I find that since the poker boom of 03', the average player is much more advanced. For example the players playing at 50NL are as skilled as the average 200NL player 5-6 years ago. I think it really depends on the limits you play, but for sure there are idiots everywhere. I occasionally play when ive been drinking (i try not to, but sometimes i can help it), so im sure ive left alot of people thinking 'who the hell is this fricken' donk?? Calling a x5 reraise pf with only 36o!'


Besides ive had so many bad beats im practically immune to them. I very rarely go on tilt anymore, as ive seen it all before. Just shrug my shoulders.. think 'standard'.. say 'nh' Durrr style while rolling my eyes, before starting a new game!

 

[Goldman]

I havent played for ages - was up 2k on Full Tilt and lost it all in ridiculous beats over 2 weeks, was so pissed off! But must get back on - Im open to sites if any recommendations, have tried most of them by now, but there are more and more each day!

What limits/buy ins were you playing?

Not that im trying to sound like a dick, but losing 2k in 2 weeks, well just sounds like bad bankroll mangement. Thats what used to be my biggest mistake when i started up, i used to get impatient and wanted to play higher and make as much money as quickly as possible!

As for sites, Tilt and Stars are the best imo, UB and betfair are terribad.

 

[haxman]

I disagree with this quite abit Haxman.

For one, i enjoy live, but where i play there are as many idiots as online. Which in the long run, is a good thing! (If you are a good player).

My only problem with live poker is that it takes me a while to get there and back, travel expenses + food and drink are high (i play in London). Also you see far less hands than online, and so i find money making online is so much more +EV. Plus you dont get rakeback playing live

Your comment about the odds, is quite strange to me. I find that since the poker boom of 03', the average player is much more advanced. For example the players playing at 50NL are as skilled as the average 200NL player 5-6 years ago. I think it really depends on the limits you play, but for sure there are idiots everywhere. I occasionally play when ive been drinking (i try not to, but sometimes i can help it), so im sure ive left alot of people thinking 'who the hell is this fricken' donk?? Calling a x5 reraise pf with only 36o!'


Besides ive had so many bad beats im practically immune to them. I very rarely go on tilt anymore, as ive seen it all before. Just shrug my shoulders.. think 'standard'.. say 'nh' Durrr style while rolling my eyes, before starting a new game!

I agree with you that there are idiots at all levels, but I don't play at the levels that you play at, and it's single table sit and goes mainly that I play, where odds don't seem to matter to people.

I cash more often down the local in our friendly €10 or €20 game with players that know how to play, and know how to fold, instead of the people who chase and chase online.

 

[Goldman]

Thats fair enough, I know what you mean.

But im no big shot My average buy in is something like $15, trying to build back up my roll atm.

But you just have to try and work out what type of players your playing against. Online databases such as sharkscope etc, help out to identify what type of player your playing against. And can help you out to make the right move. Like when to jam it up, or when to value bet to hell. If you play decent enough, it should even up!

 

[Rackybear]

www.pokerstrategy.com

It teaches you a poker strat that has proven to work providing you can stick to the rules and fold when you should etc..

It tells you what cards to play, when to play them, and how to act depending on your seat position at the table / whether people raised before you, when to call and when to go all in etc..

The whole incentive of learning it is they ask you a quiz after, if you get the 20 questions right...they give you a free $50 into your account to play on the site of your choice (partypoker, full tilt, poker stars..whatever you want) - NO DEPOSIT REQUIRED.

Give it a go guys :up:

 

[spurslenny]

anyone signed up to play in the Talksport Pokerstars tourney??

it's free to enter.

i came 50th out of about 500 last night.

Citruskid87 got another bad internet beat. Shock!!!

 

[Legend10]

UsernameGames PlayedAv. ProfitAv. StakeAv. ROITotal ProfitFormAbility /100NetworkFilterN7TEEN 1,822$1 $13 7%$1,481 -70Betfairx

I'm just about a winning poker player, this is my sharkscope for Betfair and I have similar sort of success at Full Tilt.

These numbers are only for SNG's but it's a hell of a slog to make money. I've also won and final tabled in some reasonable internet tournaments showing a profit. My alround game is pretty decent.

However I've come to the conclusion that its way too difficult to make enough money playing SNG's and tournaments, so I've set myself a challenge.

The challenge is via cash only to turn £50 into £10,000.

I'm doing this on Betfair and have been going for 3 days.

What I obviously can't do is go bust so I've started right at the bottom limits with only half a buy in. I'm playing 2c 4c with a $2 sit down, a full buy in woulbe $4.

So far I've turned £50 into £71.09, I know it sound like nothing but its about 9 full buy in's and nearly 18 half buy ins. when (and if) I get to £240 I will revert to the full $4 buy in as this will give me 100 buy in's as my bank roll. if i start to lose and drop back to £120 I will revert back to a $2 buy in as this will still give me 100 buy ins.

When I get to £600 I will move upto 5c 10c with 100 buy ins, if my bank roll drops to £240 I will revert back to 2c 4c. However looking on the positive side I hope and think it will climb and when I get to £1200 I will move up stakes to 10c 20c and when I get to £5000 I will move upto 25c 50c. Any significant falls along the way will see me revert to the lower buy ins when i hit 100 buy ins.

I think I've always been a winning cash player but have never kept records so this time I will and I'm really looking forward to the challenge I've set myself. For the record so far I've found the paly at 2c 4c wich I've never played before really difficult as everybody calls pre flop and big hands get busted all the time but I'm working it out as I go.

For the record I play 4 tables at a time.

Sat £104.44
Stood £125.53
Net £21.09
Roi 20.19%

I tied to include my graph on here as well but for some reason I can't paste it in.

Anybody else set themselves challenges?

Oh and by the way I play on Betfair as 'N7TEEN'

 

[Rackybear]

Legend, you have good bankroll management :up:

Seems like you know what to do to ensure you dont go bust quickly or play outside your means.

 

[Goldman]

Basically, ive had good bankroll managment for quite a while, but now i think i might be sick of grinding.

Im currently playing $5/10 cash game, with about 1.3k in front of me, which is about half of my current roll on full tilt, obv terribad bankroll managment, but there is a fish at my table so i dont care. Double or quits is how i see it. If im not playing poker for a few months i might actually do well in my 3rd year of uni!!!

 

[Goldman]

I lost 1k on a bad bluff, but now im back up to 1.8k.. haha crazy night, wish i never sat down in the first place... Although rake back and ftps are looking tasty.

 

[Goldman]

I have to post this hand before i go to bed! Jesus its nearly 6am!

Anyways, i was pretty determined to get to the 2k mark before i went to bed, and i made it. This guy just sat down, from south Korea, i have no history with him.

Ive changed my name and my opponents name in an attempt to hide my terrible stats lol...Im hero, hes villian.


Full Tilt Poker Game #14813049901: Table Sunking (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:55:07 ET - 2009/09/20
Seat 1: Leatherass9 ($1,000)
Seat 2: perillo6746 ($200)
Seat 3: Nevrborn ($1,850)
Seat 4: Hero ($1,556.35)
Seat 5: Bunkbeds ($3,679.50)
Seat 6: Villian ($1,000)
Nevrborn posts the small blind of $5
Hero posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kc 3c]
Bunkbeds folds
Villian raises to $30
Leatherass9 folds
Nevrborn has 15 seconds left to act
Nevrborn calls $25
Hero calls $20
*** FLOP *** [6s 9c 2c]
Nevrborn has 15 seconds left to act
Nevrborn checks
Hero checks
Villian bets $60
Nevrborn folds
Hero calls $60
*** TURN *** [6s 9c 2c] [Kd]
Hero checks
Villian bets $150
Hero calls $150
*** RIVER *** [6s 9c 2c Kd] [2s]
Hero checks
Villian has 15 seconds left to act
Villian bets $260
Hero calls $260
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villian shows [Qh 9h] two pair, Nines and Twos
Hero shows [Kc 3c] two pair, Kings and Twos
Hero wins the pot ($1,027) with two pair, Kings and Twos
Villian adds $500
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,030 | Rake $3
Board: [6s 9c 2c Kd 2s]
Seat 1: Leatherass9 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: perillo6746 is sitting out
Seat 3: Nevrborn (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Hero (big blind) showed [Kc 3c] and won ($1,027) with two pair, Kings and Twos
Seat 5: Bunkbeds didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Villian showed [Qh 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Twos

Basically i had been pretty quiet for a few rotations so i felt like i was gonna try and steal a pot. I just recentely folded JJ in a huge pot. Some guy bet $35 pre, i called, the flop came 10d,8d,3c, and i checked raised, then he re raised me, and i folded. Maybe bad, but the thing that was strange to me was his raise preflop, the first time i noticed it was this size.. so i thought id let it ago.

Anyway back to the hand.. i was sure i was gonna play the hand before any action. When the villian bet, and then there was a flat call i was happy as it gave me pretty decent odds to flop a monster and potentially stack one of these guys. The flop was pretty decent. The texture didnt really fit the intital raisers range, perhaps an over pair, but the likelyhood was small. So i decided to flat call, and take a cheepish turn card. The turn was one of those cards that could make me rich or broke. I felt it could hit his range, but im not really folding ever in this spot, with a flush draw, and 2 pair outs aswell.

When the river comes a 2nd deuce, im pretty sure i have the best hand, a deuce was definately not in his preflop raising range. (Except for deuces, but thats very unlikely). However his bet size screamed value bet, it was a great size. Im not really sure i can raise as im beat by a lot of Kx combos, so a call seems fine to me, and my instincts were right this time.


Im sure there are a few of you feeling sick by my play! But it is 6max, and i dont mind floating a flop here and there. 1k pot, pretty tasty

 

[Rackybear]

WP goldy :clap:

I dunno how you can play with that kind of money..its a lot.

 

[Legend10]

Goldy nice pick up, some points of interest for me.

You say the following:

Basically i had been pretty quiet for a few rotations so i felt like i was gonna try and steal a pot.

Anyway back to the hand.. i was sure i was gonna play the hand before any action

Can I just ask you why you would make the decision to a play a hand pretty much regardless or try to steal pot from out of position? I personally find position so important because without it you have no pot size control. That is shown here when you make a 1/2 pot size call with a flush draw and maybe the overpair with the king although as you say yourself that is questionable. Anyway that is a maximum of 12 outs if you believe a king would be good which with the kings gives you a 50-50 pot but your position still gives you a problem. Personally what I would have done on the flop with the texture of that board and a pot size bet by Villain would have been 1 of 2 things. I would possibly have folded depending on how I felt about him, however with that texture he's unlikely to have hit unless he's playing a mid pair and hit a set (unlikely) and even if he has I still have 9 outs but if he hasn't hit a set can he call any re-raise? So what I would have done on that board against a pre flop raiser out of position is check raised him!

If he had hit a set then I don't think he would have raised pot size, he would have put in a slightly lower bet to induce the call although the 2 clubs may scare him. Anyway the chances are that he won't call a check raise and has just thrown out a continuation bet, if he does call you still have nearly a 40% chance of hitting your flush!

When you play out of position the only real form of aggression you can show is the check raise and I think this hand is perfect for it. However you would have won nowhere near as much money so in summary well played and your instincts that your king was good was spot on!

Good luck on the tables fella!