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kr1978

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That for me is spot on and is something that will take time unfortunately (and possibly a bit of trial and error)
 

only1waddle

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That for me is spot on and is something that will take time unfortunately (and possibly a bit of trial and error)


Yeah i agree, i was fairly disappointed we didn't start Holtby, nothing IMO was addressed from the Swansea game, surely questions would have been asked as to why soldado wasn't being supplied with any crosses, through balls it doesn't take a genius to work out a lack of creative talent in the 3, but supply from the wing was the main bug bear.
We hardly even tried to mix the play up, i know that AVB likes automation training, robotic drills and situation training until it becomes natural, for me it was just too much football by numbers at times, if the middle 3 are beastie then our 2 wide forwards should be given licence to switch... i have typed this about 100 times tonight and it is still pissing me off we haven't tried it..
 

dontcallme

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Only three games in and lots of new players so no real worries yet.

But watching our first few games.

1. Soldado doesn't look like a lone striker - he's quite small and doesn't involve himself enough in our link play.

2. Paulinho and Dembele - which one of these two is supposed to be supporting Soldado? They don't seem to know their roles yet. One of the two has to take the lead as our attacking CM.

3. Danny Rose has poor positional sense - he's still learning the game but we haven't spent £100M+ to watch him develop. A replacement is needed at LB.

4. We're probably not going to play well for about 10 games. Just like under Ramos, a team overhaul takes time to bed in. Defensive responsibilities can be learned quickly but patterns of play that create goals have to be learned through trial and error.

5. AVB needs to get 4-3-3 working - he's now got the players he wanted so he has to get the formation to deliver.

My main concern is Soldado as I think we'll definitely get a LB. He looks a great player but Drogba he ain't. Hopefully when Dembele or Paulinho take responsibility he'll get better service and prove himself.

1) I see your concern but not all lone strikers have to be like Drogba. Owen played as lone striker a lot for Liverpool and was very successful. If we played through balls to Soldado rather than to his head I think he´ll be a success.

2) I don´t know much about Paulinho but read lots of comparisons to Lampard so hoping he´ll be more advanced. I think the wingers are meant to be the real support for Soldado and they need to play narrower at times.

3) Completely disagree. Despite Chelsea and City´s billions Utd are still the most successful club. They have won it 5 times in the last 8 seasons. They constantly develop players that others say aren´t ´top four material.´ We can´t achieve everything through spending. Developing players is still vital to our success.

4) Going to take time. We look good defensively and this is the safest way to points.

In Holtby, Eriksen and Lamela we have players who can unlock defences. I hope we don´t go with too defensive a midfield. Teams re going to park the bus against us. We are going to need to play the players who can pass and move to create chances.
 

SydneySpur

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Lack of creativity that's all. Once the team gels and we integrate the new guys (Lamela and Eriksen + Holtby) and they work up a understanding with Soldado we will be fine. No need for alarm.

The Capoue injury wasn't good though, I thought he started brightly in the 2nd half and was coming into the game nicely.
 

SydneySpur

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We gonna get goals form midfield eventually. I am happy with all our signings but you cant expect them to all be on the same page just yet.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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Time is going to help a lot. We went into the Arsenal game having just signed our main creative players (Lemela and Eriksen) just before the Arsenal game so there was no way they could be ready. Holtby is still coming back from injury and most of our other players are still getting to grips with the new team with Rose, Townsend, Paulinho, Capoue, Chadli, Soldado all being new to the first XI. That is a lot of change, new combinations etc.

Now we will have 2 weeks until our next game against Norwich and some time to work on understanding between players, getting the ball moving quicker and supplying Soldado with plenty of amunition. I really think there will be a vast amount of improvement over the next few weeks and the balance of our side will look far better.
 

dpsi

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Only three games in and lots of new players so no real worries yet.

But watching our first few games.

1. Soldado doesn't look like a lone striker - he's quite small and doesn't involve himself enough in our link play.

Agree - we should either buy players to fit 433, or play 442 - 4411 IMO

2. Paulinho and Dembele - which one of these two is supposed to be supporting Soldado? They don't seem to know their roles yet. One of the two has to take the lead as our attacking CM.

Neither were willing to do box to box. Soldado was isolated on ever counter. This needs to change.

3. Danny Rose has poor positional sense - he's still learning the game but we haven't spent £100M+ to watch him develop. A replacement is needed at LB.

Weak link IMO

4. We're probably not going to play well for about 10 games. Just like under Ramos, a team overhaul takes time to bed in. Defensive responsibilities can be learned quickly but patterns of play that create goals have to be learned through trial and error.

True, but Im more worried about balance. Like the Ramos team, I think we have some good players, but some under par ones who should not be 1st 11

5. AVB needs to get 4-3-3 working - he's now got the players he wanted so he has to get the formation to deliver.

I dont think we have the players to make 433 a success.

My main concern is Soldado as I think we'll definitely get a LB. He looks a great player but Drogba he ain't. Hopefully when Dembele or Paulinho take responsibility he'll get better service and prove himself.

Soldado is a fantastic player, but I dont think lone striker plays on his strengths. He needs another striker behind him IMO. A playmaker forward, like VDV.(y)
 

annekcm

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The main problem with our side under AVB has been the lack of creativity. Partly that stems from having a midfield trio who aren't particularly creative and this can be solved by exchanging one of them for the likes of Eriksen or Holtby. But I think it can still work with a Paulinho, Sandro, Dembele midfield as long as the system/tactics are slightly tweaked. It seems to me that AVB is too nervous about the use of wing backs and the high pressing in case we get run over but both things are something you simply can't just half do because you will then get run over.

The of the important parts of a 4-3-3 is the wing forwards supporting the middle striker(Soldado) and too many times it seems to me that ours are acting like wingers instead, Townsend in particular and Lennon is another who does that same, so Soldado is left isolated. Now maybe this is partly down to the players style(Lennon really is a traditional winger) but it also down to a lack of support from the wing backs.

To me it seems as if our wing backs are being wing backs are too cautious about getting forward. As soon as we have the ball they should be right up there allowing the wide forwards to take more central positions and support Soldado. This has the affect of there being more people to pass to around the box and the opposition has more people to mark. But at the moment we have our 3 forwards taking on the entire opposite practically so its no wonder we aren't creating.

To simply say 'Dembele, Capoue, Paulinho isn't creative enough' is an easy way out. Look at Liverpool, they look dangerous and they've been playing Lucas, Gerrard and Hendersen in there. Is that really much more creative than ours?
 

spurs9

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3. Danny Rose has poor positional sense - he's still learning the game but we haven't spent £100M+ to watch him develop. A replacement is needed at LB.

Danny Rose cost 100M+?? Or did spending 100M have nothing to do with Rose and his position?
 

NEVILLEB

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It's fair to say that the problems noticed after 3 games are the same problems we had until AVB got sacked.

Definitely the right decision!
 

dontcallme

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It's fair to say that the problems noticed after 3 games are the same problems we had until AVB got sacked.

Definitely the right decision!

I don't think the Rose point was correct at all. We've been dying for him to return.

I still believe Soldado will score goals with the right service. That's doesn't have to be with a striking partner.

I think Paulinho and Dembele have been doing well in a deeper role. We've been dominating possession but lacked creativity. The creativity isn't going to come from them.
 
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