Proud of Tottenham Hotspur.

[hybridsoldier]

I definitely have not been influenced by the final scoreline. I thought we played a clever game and held our own, but once again we were out own undoing with some terrible defending. We came across Aguero on "one of those days" where he scored two insanely good finishes.

We are lacking in 2 really vital areas - goalscorer and centre back. Soldado's link up play was perfectly fine and some of his passing was very intelligent and complemented some good midfield runs. His confidence is so low though, I think even though he played well that penalty miss will crush him.

Away from home we are playing a clever game and doing well, but at home we can't get it right. And that is the issue right now.

I like Poch and think he has done well given the players at his disposal. The problem I have is he won't get the financial support to move this team into a competitor with the top 4. In addition to that, the players the club are buying I am not sure how much they fit into Poch's mentality and style of play. Once AGAIN we seem to have a disconnect between the coach and the people buying the players.

Another clear issue is the frail defence. At the moment Kaboul may be the captain but he is not playing well and in the big games he just falls to pieces. Vertonghen is a good defender but I argue that the high line really catches him out. Rose is improving slowly but positioning is suspect, Walker also has a positioning issue.

So in summary we have an issue at Striker, Full Backs and Centre Back. What makes this tough is the disconnect between the coach and those buying the players. To compound this it is so difficult in the modern game to find quality at those positions. How many good reliable full backs are there? That are also quick and provide attacking support? Where do you find quick and strong centre backs who can concentrate for 90 mins AND are decent on the ball? And where the hell do you find strikers like Sergio Aguero?!?!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

. At the moment Kaboul may be the captain but he is not playing well and in the big games he just falls to pieces. .

Erm...have you already forgot the NLD...?

 

[spud]

Another thing, I guarantee you there are those who complained when we sat back vs Arsenal and are complaining because we lost today even though we had a real go for the first 70-80 minutes.

I'm not. I thought the Arsenal performance was abject surrender. Against Citeh we went there to win, not to sneak in, steal a point and sneak out again. I liked a lot of what I saw yesterday, and we'll win a lot of games this season if we continue to play like that.

 

[lenny7]

I think we must have done something right, Chris Waddle was remarkably upbeat about our performance which, win, lose or draw, barely ever happens.

 

[Shea]

I think we must have done something right, Chris Waddle was remarkably upbeat about our performance which, win, lose or draw, barely ever happens.

We did a lot right - we played pretty well and created a lot of chances which had those that were presented at key times gone in the game could have finished very differently

I don't think anyone is arguing that there are a lot of positives to take from the game and that it showed both progress and potential in terms of our managerial implementation of a new system and tactics and the group of players we have at the club in as far as them being capable of competing with the big boys

That said making a statement of pride due to the game is wrong - but it's pure symantics

It just should have been worded better and everyone would likely have been in argeement. That game is nothing to be proud of because we were still soundly beaten and we're too big a club to take pride from a courageous hammering we're we put up a good fight but came up short

We still have a lot of work to do for sure - but we all knew this wouldn't be a quick fix

Proud of Tottenham because of that performance - no
Encoruaged by the improvements in our attacking play and see greater evidence of us starting to grow as an attacking unit making progression - for sure

Change the thread from one expressing immence pride at the 4-1 loss because we accounted ourselves well and put up a decent fight whilst being put to the sword by the champions to one that makes us sound less like a small time league one team happy for the day out against the big boys in the Cup and instead focuses on the project and encouraging signs for the future and I doubt there would be any disagreement amoungst our fans

We were all no doubt encouraged by what we saw in our attacking play against Man City compared to what we've seen in attack in the last couple of seasons - but proud of the boys because of Saturday's game? that's misplaced in my eyes

Proud to be a Spurs fan of course - I always am it's part of who I am and part of my family heritiage but getting thumped 4-1 against Man City is not a source of pride because we showed some improvement (we're bigger than to have that mentality)

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Was really impressed with the game. We didn't fold and everyone played well. Some of Soldado's passes were incredible and exactly the type of ball that should be putting through to him.

You can tell when we had to force changes we went a bit out of shape but you can't focus on that.

Hope the lads don't get too disheartened

 

[Kendall]

It's frustrating because this, as expected, goes down as a 'rout' in the media and yet another spanking by a top team, but whilst I think we deserved to lose due to our poor composure in defence, I do think 3-2 would have been a much fairer reflection.

 

[mpickard2087]

We fell into the trap of trying to out-gun them. City are quite an open team and like to counter quickly and don't mind the game being end to end. Against the top teams maybe not quite that open, we are probably the 'biggest' team they would think they can get away with these tactics against... So to be honest its no surprise we had time and space and were able to create some chances, as they were tactically 'pushing it' a bit. At the end of they day though they back their superior quality to see us off in an open game. I don't think we were clever, I think we played right into their hands.

Proud, dunno about that. Brave tactics, quite possibly. Stupid, also quite possibly.

 

[Nebby]

Each to their own, but I honestly find it hard to share the view of the OP. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I feel like we're going backwards.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

, but I feel like we're going backwards.

I can understand why some people would not agree with me regarding being proud. But how on earth can anyone say that we are going backwards based on that performance against City. Are you saying we played better there under AVB last season?

How are we going backwards? Somebody please tell me.

 

[Nebby]

I can understand why some people would not agree with me regarding being proud. But how on earth can anyone say that we are going backwards based on that performance against City. Are you saying we played better there under AVB last season?

How are we going backwards? Somebody please tell me.

Simple really: look at the league table. Back-to-back fourth, then fifth, then sixth. We are in decline.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Simple really: look at the league table. Back-to-back fourth, then fifth, then sixth. We are in decline.

Everyone knows we have been going backwards from the Redknapp era to the end of Sherwood's reign. There's no evidence, however, to already say that under Pochettino we are still going backwards IMO.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

What are the odds that @prawnsandwich is already unhappy with Pochettino?

@SargeantMeatCurtains ?

 

[Nebby]

Everyone knows we have been going backwards from the Redknapp era to the end of Sherwood's reign. There's no evidence, however, to already say that under Pochettino we are still going backwards IMO.

And there's no real evidence to say the decline has been halted, either.

Granted it's hardly Pochettino's fault, but the same frailties remain: none of our forwards will score 20 per season (add all three up and I doubt they'll hit that mark), our defence is overly prone to panic and mistakes, and our midfield lacks strength, pace and creativity.

Sure, we're still better than a lot of teams. But I don't think we are top four material; probably not even top five. And we're definitely not as good as we were under Harry.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

Simple really: look at the league table. Back-to-back fourth, then fifth, then sixth. We are in decline.

We're like 8 games into the season mate.

 

[Nebby]

We're like 8 games into the season mate.

Yeah, I know. I was making a more general point.

 

[SpursManChris]

If you actually look at the match again, defensively weren't that bad. It could've been a lot worse if it wasn't for good defending.

You don't want to defend that? Maybe you've not been on since I offered you the chance the first time.

 

[jezz]

Yeah, I know. I was making a more general point.

General point about what exactly?

 

[Nebby]

General point about what exactly?

That since we got rid of Harry we have been in decline (or a 'negative situation' as AVB would put it), and my fear - looking at the squad today - is that this isn't likely to change anytime soon.

 

[jezz]

That since we got rid of Harry we have been in decline (or a 'negative situation' as AVB would put it), and my fear - looking at the squad today - is that this isn't likely to change anytime soon.

How about giving the manager a chance?
You know Harrys team lost 5 1 to city at the Lane.
The team Harry had should have been challenging for the title not scraping 4 and collapsing in the final third of the season.
So maybe in that respect we have moved backwards.
Bale and Modric weren't world class when they turned up, far from it.
Giving MoPo's side a little patience and we could be rewarded.
Understanding that going to city a getting beat is what happens to most teams.
We were unlucky with the decision s against us.
We played well and I'm happy to see progress.