Racism in management

[Lufti]

He is qualified, he is black and to the best of my knowledge wasn't offered the role. That certainly enough for the accusation to be made and discussed.

Here lies the problem. None of us know if he was or wasn't offered the role. It's very unlikely to be publicised as well, especially while he's still at the club, so I think it's best to put it to bed.

 

[Lilbaz]

If the assumption is there to make, why not make it? There are good grounds for assuming racism is involved.
I think it is probably scary for people to think there could be racism at spurs, as supporters put us on a pedal stool above the likes of Chelsea and west ham. Racism is a very complexed issue and nobody wants to be classed as racist but I've said a number of times someone who is guilty of racism isn't necessary a Nazi.

Sherwoods position at the club was higher than ramsey that is possibly why he was given the role. I believe he didn't even change his contract so didn't recieve a pay rise which i'm guessing saved levy some money.

Levy has appointed 2 black coaches in the last 6 months to the first team. Yes lets assume he's racist.

 

[Mullers]

So we know that he wasn't offered it?

I think that if he had applied then he should have been in the running, however, maybe he enjoys the coaching side of things, or doesn't want to be a manager (not exatly a secure job compared to coaching). Maybe he doesn't want the fame/infamy?

I don't believe he was offered it, had he been offered and turned it down, it would be hard to keep out of the media or have some ITK come out about it. He is assistant coach to Sherwood, so that couldn't be called a secure job either and Ramsey is already in the public eye.

 

[Lufti]

Sherwoods position at the club was higher than ramsey that is possibly why he was given the role. I believe he didn't even change his contract so didn't recieve a pay rise which i'm guessing saved levy some money.

Levy has appointed 2 black coaches in the last 6 months to the first team. Yes lets assume he's racist.

To be fair our purely Aryan starting eleven against Stoke was pretty racist..

 

[Lilbaz]

He is qualified, he is black and to the best of my knowledge wasn't offered the role. That certainly enough for the accusation to be made and discussed.

You don't like levy. Therefore i am assuming you are racist against jews.

 

[talkshowhost86]

But Sherwood has no coaching badges and he's been given a chance at a top premiership club over a guy who has a FA coaching licence, FA coach education diploma and a diploma in treatment of sports injuries. So I mean someone looking can legitimately look at that and think what's the fucking point of doing all those qualifications if someone with no qualifications is going to jump ahead of me in the queue?

I think that's a fair point, but I don't think it's anything to do with racism.

Sherwood got the Technical Director job at Spurs seemingly by just being mates with Levy. I think his reputation in the game as a player was quite strong, and we know he had Levy's ear during the Hoddle years, so that's how he's risen to prominence.

I agree that simply being a good player shouldn't parachute someone to the top of the management game, and I think Fifa should be stronger with regards to requirements for being a manager.

But I think it's more to do with who your friends are within the game than any inherent racism. If it was the latter why would the same not apply to the players?

Hopefully, the fact that there are so many black players in the game now means that we will soon start seeing more black managers (probably quite a few being parachuted in...such as Seedorf at Milan). If it doesn't then yes I think people will need to look at why, but for now I really don't think that there are many (if any) chairmen who are saying, "a black man as manager? Well I never!"

 

[Mullers]

Sherwoods position at the club was higher than ramsey that is possibly why he was given the role. I believe he didn't even change his contract so didn't recieve a pay rise which i'm guessing saved levy some money.

Levy has appointed 2 black coaches in the last 6 months to the first team. Yes lets assume he's racist.

I suggest you read that Ferdinand link I posted.
Again if someone is guilty of subconscious racism it doesn't mean that they are nazi or even a bad person. Ramsey is more qualified than Sherwood is, I've seen people claiming that Sherwoods contract hasn't changed but nobody has ever posted any evidence showing this to be the case.

 

[Mullers]

You don't like levy. Therefore i am assuming you are racist against jews.

You can think that this is about me not liking Levy if you want but it's not.

 

[Mullers]

I think that's a fair point, but I don't think it's anything to do with racism.

Sherwood got the Technical Director job at Spurs seemingly by just being mates with Levy. I think his reputation in the game as a player was quite strong, and we know he had Levy's ear during the Hoddle years, so that's how he's risen to prominence.

I agree that simply being a good player shouldn't parachute someone to the top of the management game, and I think Fifa should be stronger with regards to requirements for being a manager.

But I think it's more to do with who your friends are within the game than any inherent racism. If it was the latter why would the same not apply to the players?

Hopefully, the fact that there are so many black players in the game now means that we will soon start seeing more black managers (probably quite a few being parachuted in...such as Seedorf at Milan). If it doesn't then yes I think people will need to look at why, but for now I really don't think that there are many (if any) chairmen who are saying, "a black man as manager? Well I never!"

I think this is in part what Ferdinand said in the link I posted but the implication was subtle racism.
Here is the link again.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12384/7170036/jobs-for-the-boys

Looking at bigger picture for a sec, human beings tend to form relationships with people who they find are similar to themselves. In England the overwhelming majority are white, the chairmen are white and usually over 50 perhaps don't mix with ethnic minorities too much (which in itself isn't necessarily racist) so gravitate naturally to other white people because they identify more with them then they do black folk.

 

[chrissivad]

lots of assumptions going on, so i think calling people at our club racist should now stop.

 

[Mullers]

lots of assumptions going on, so i think calling people at our club racist should now stop.

But nobody has done that.

 

[Mullers]

To be fair our purely Aryan starting eleven against Stoke was pretty racist..

I think you're entirely missing the point if you that just because there are black players there is no racism when it comes to them going into management.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think this is in part what Ferdinand said in the link I posted but the implication was subtle racism.
Here is the link again.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12384/7170036/jobs-for-the-boys

Looking at bigger picture for a sec, human beings tend to form relationships with people who they find are similar to themselves. In England the overwhelming majority are white, the chairmen are white and usually over 50 perhaps don't mix with ethnic minorities too much (which in itself isn't necessarily racist) so gravitate naturally to other white people because they identify more with them then they do black folk.

I think the point about the chairmen may be valid, as the 50+ generation still come from an age where racism was a lot more common and acceptable.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that football board rooms are no more racist than any other board rooms in the country, and are subject to the same slow filtering through of a change of approach with regard to race relations generally.

It doesn't help when spiteful people like Campbell stick their oar in, and I hope that there is an increase in black managers soon to prove the idiot wrong.

 

[Lufti]

I think you're entirely missing the point if you that just because there are black players there is no racism when it comes to them going into management.

There is no racism regarding players going into management. It's in your head. Even the link of Ferdinand you posted describes the struggles of players going into management regardless of race.

 

[Real_madyidd]

You can think that this is about me not liking Levy if you want but it's not.

Maybe YOU are sunconsciously racist towards Jews?

 

[Lilbaz]

Black players need to get their badges. Then they need to get a management job most probably at a smaller club. Then they need to win games. If they keep winning they will get a top job.
Chairmen look at managers who they think will win games, there maybe certain managers that they have good relationships with who they trust. But at the end of the day it's all about winning. The most racist chairman in the country wouldn't bat an eyelid at bringing in a black manager if he thought he could win the league.

 

[Mullers]

There is no racism regarding players going into management. It's in your head. Even the link of Ferdinand you posted describes the struggles of players going into management regardless of race.

All in my head...

"I know there's a number of black players that have got all the badges you need and are not working in football any more.

"I know black players that have come out of football and won't take the badges because they say 'I'm not going to spend four or five years getting the badges because there's not going to be an opportunity at the end of it' and they go onto other things.

"That's why you're not getting any black players doing these badges because they don't believe there's an opportunity at the end of it."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12384/7170036/jobs-for-the-boys
and Ferdiand's head and these guy's heads as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3479751.stm

 

[Mullers]

I think the point about the chairmen may be valid, as the 50+ generation still come from an age where racism was a lot more common and acceptable.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that football board rooms are no more racist than any other board rooms in the country, and are subject to the same slow filtering through of a change of approach with regard to race relations generally.

It doesn't help when spiteful people like Campbell stick their oar in, and I hope that there is an increase in black managers soon to prove the idiot wrong.

This wasn't actually the topic I wanted to bump had I seen that this was about Campbell comments I wouldn't have bumped it as I think he distracts people from the issue at hand.

 

[Mullers]

Black players need to get their badges. Then they need to get a management job most probably at a smaller club. Then they need to win games. If they keep winning they will get a top job.
Chairmen look at managers who they think will win games, there maybe certain managers that they have good relationships with who they trust. But at the end of the day it's all about winning. The most racist chairman in the country wouldn't bat an eyelid at bringing in a black manager if he thought he could win the league.

I mean that's fine as long as it applies to white players as well.

 

[Lilbaz]

I mean that's fine as long as it applies to white players as well.

The thing is there are a lot of white players that already go for their badges.