Ramos reveals Eto'o interest

[brasil_spur]

so just because they signed post ramos means he shouldn't get credit?

can't we just blame all the bad ones on Jol then in that case?

Bent replaced both defoe & Mido & in my opinion, is a better player than both, and if we had been unfortunate enough to actually have either Keane or Berbatov injured for a good period, I think we'd have seen him get into his groove again. You say Bale is too early to tell as a good signing, but then write Bent off as a bad one?

Seems a little biased to me.

I don't think Ramos should get credit, but i think we cannot give credit either way as it is unclear who did sign them, however it is clear who signed the other players before, if you read anything Jol has said he did not have anything to do with a lot of our signings over the last 2 years.

Bent replaced Mido, not Deofe, and is not worth £7.5m more than Defoe, especially when he will be playing as a 3rd striker, so seems pointless to me to have spent all that money on him.

Bale hasn't been given the chance to play or train all season since he broke his foot. whereas Bent has been given chances throughout the season and has been training every week and has not pushed out either Keane or Berbatov from the starting line-up.

I'm not writing Bent off at all, i actually think Bent is a very good player and a good signing for us, but i question the amount we paid for him, when we already had a capable player in Defoe warming the bench.

I don't think Ramos should get credit, but i think we cannot give credit either way as it is unclear who did sign them, however it is clear who signed the other players before, if you read anything Jol has said he did not have anything to do with a lot of our signings over the last 2 years.

 

[brasil_spur]

& also as has been widely mentioned, it's Levy who does the negotiations, not Comolli, so fees are his department.

But Levy doesn't make up the fees, these are dictated by the player and his club.

If Commolli says "let's sign Earnshaw from WBA" then Levy goes away and finds out that Earnshaw is worth like £100k....however if Commolli says "let's sign Villa" then Levy goes away and finds out that Villa is worth like £25m.

So what happens is that Commolli's recomendation already comes with an approximate fee attached to it.

It's then not Levy who decides the fees, it is the players club, the player and to some extent the market and the competition for else wants to sign him that dictates the fee, or at least the ball park figure of the fee, Levy just haggles on a few percent and payment terms.

 

[Locotoro]

"Having signalled his intent to break into the top four with the high-profile capture of Luka Modric, Juande Ramos has admitted that no less a figure than Gordon Brown is next on his wish-list at Tottenham Hotspur.
Croatia international Modric has agreed to join Spurs for £16.5 million from Dinamo Zagreb in a transfer that is a real statement of intent on the part of the North London club.
When replacing Martin Jol in October, Ramos unveiled his plan to make Spurs a force at the highest level of English football and the Spaniard appears to be planning a summer of upheaval at White Hart Lane as he seeks to achieve his aim.
Doubts still surround the future of Dimitar Berbatov but Ramos has made clear his burning ambition by hinting that Labour party and Spurs supporting superstar Brown is a potential target for the North Londoners.
“You cannot do anything overnight, since it is a project that we undertake for the next five seasons,” said Ramos to Tajikistan daily Reliable Sporting News Daily.
“For great achievements we need big players like Gordon Brown and Modric, just to move.”
Modric has agreed a six-year deal with Spurs and will join his new team-mates after a work permit is awarded.
Ramos has now revealed how the former guitar player Elvis Costello recommended Modric to him after spotting his big potential at a music concert.
“I decided on him after seeing him play just twice,” Ramos added.
“Costello recommended him a year-and-a-half ago, when I still did not know the guy.
“But he was aware of the great ability to find players and Costello convinced me with his conviction that this was a special player"

I could be a journo.



I wish there was a stronger word for bullsh*t

 

[dcm140204]

oh dear god, if we get eto'o!!! He is the most amazing striker. Skill, power, pace, fantastic shot on him, good in the air, the perfect striker.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

There really is a whole load of murky behind-the-scenes stuff going on at the moment at Spurs. These quotes from Ramos below suggest that Juande had identified Modric as a great player a year-and-a-half ago. In other words, before joining Spurs. It's possible to overinterpret these comments, but one clear implication is that Ramos relied on his own scouts at least as much as our scouting system. And once again Ramos is stating that he has personally watched Modric play.

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Ramos has now revealed how the Croatian former Lleida player Elvis Scoria recommended Modric to him after spotting his big potential with Dinamo.
“I decided on him after seeing him play just twice,” Ramos added.
“Scoria recommended him a year-and-a-half ago, when I still did not know the guy.
“But he was aware of the great ability to find players and Scoria convinced me with his conviction that this was a special player.”

To be honest Yanno, Idon't see the issue here. Modric realy started getting noticed around that time mid/late 2006. Yes Ramos would have become aware of him around then but so did most people connected with football on various levels from fans to DOF's. He was just being honest from own perspective. But we ahve seen how we as a club, regardless of who is manager, DOF etc have always been interested in making quality signings - just for the usual reasons unable to pull them off. Van Bommel, Kujt, Torres, Anderson, Nani, etc etc. In this case thanks propbably to all three main protagonists (Levy, Commoli & Ramos) have managed to land a biggy.

 

[Bonjour]

Eto'o eto'o! Comment tu t'appelles? Je m'apelle Samuel!!!

 

[Mattspur]

Ramos sounds very confident! Hmmmmmm.......

 

[yanno]

To be honest Yanno, Idon't see the issue here. Modric realy started getting noticed around that time mid/late 2006. Yes Ramos would have become aware of him around then but so did most people connected with football on various levels from fans to DOF's. He was just being honest from own perspective. But we ahve seen how we as a club, regardless of who is manager, DOF etc have always been interested in making quality signings - just for the usual reasons unable to pull them off. Van Bommel, Kujt, Torres, Anderson, Nani, etc etc. In this case thanks propbably to all three main protagonists (Levy, Commoli & Ramos) have managed to land a biggy.

B-C: yes, it could be innocent. But one of the first rules of journalism is that information is almost never neutral or objective. And to understand what's really going on, it's often rewarding to look at who is putting a particular gloss on these supposed "facts", and also how so-called "facts" are contextualized, or in modern parlance, spun.

There's a widespread belief that journalists put their own personal spin on "facts". This is occasionally so - there are hacks who dislike Spurs and are unprofessional enough to let it show in their reporting. But it's far more common that the spin, or interpretation, that is being putting on events has been fed to journalists by their source "off the record" or in the manner in which they present information.

So, for instance, we have a DoF who oversees all our scouting. But Ramos makes a point of saying that he knew about Modric before joining Spurs, two-and-a-half years ago, from a scout called Elvis Scoria who is great at finding players.

Maybe it was a throwaway line... Maybe Ramos merely wants to get Scoria on Tottenham's books as a scout.... Maybe the lines of power at WHL are being redrawn.... Who knows?

But when at the same time you see Telegraph articles with headlines praising Levy (not Commoli) for the signing of Modric, and then dragon1 comes out with ITK saying Modric was nothing to do with Commoli, I for one certainly start to wonder quite what is going on.

 

[Kyras]

Eto'o eto'o! Comment tu t'appelles? Je m'apelle Samuel!!!

:grin: love that chant!

 

[Flatters]

Eto'o eto'o! Comment tu t'appelles? Je m'apelle Samuel!!!

:rofl:

I completely forgot about that chant!

We have to sign him just so we can sing that! :-D

 

[Crow]

"Is that you Jaunde you ol' spanioli? Uh huh it's the King. Now go sign that boy Modric. TCB babuh, TCB"

 

[Flatters]

"Is that you Jaunde you ol' spanioli? Uh huh it's the King. Now go sign that boy Modric. TCB babuh, TCB"

Wtf?

 

[gavspur]

Wtf?

Elvis, thats Ramos' man who spotted Modric.. TCB = Taking Care of Business...

Lol, i knew Elvis was alive somewhere, just didn't realise he was a scout in Croatia!!

 

[Locotoro]

"Is that you Jaunde you ol' spanioli? Uh huh it's the King. Now go sign that boy Modric. TCB babuh, TCB"

hahahahhahahahaa :rofl:

Makes me wonder whether he had anything to do with Ledley's injury?

"There's only one King in this town and it aint you boy!"
kneecaps ledders.

"Oooow, Got my mojo working!!"

 

[miles_64]

Eto'o eto'o! Comment tu t'appelles? Je m'apelle Samuel!!!

Check out this BELTER lads:

http://www.archive.org/details/EtooRemix

 

[Mullers]

I'd only want Eto if it was a replacement for Berba. No way would I want him to replace Keane. Bent hasn't had much of a chance because of the partnership of Keane and Berba. I expect him to figure more next season.

 

[Flatters]

I'd only want Eto if it was a replacement for Berba. No way would I want him to replace Keane. Bent hasn't had much of a chance because of the partnership of Keane and Berba. I expect him to figure more next season.

Why on the non virtual grounds of earth would you not?!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

B-C: yes, it could be innocent. But one of the first rules of journalism is that information is almost never neutral or objective. And to understand what's really going on, it's often rewarding to look at who is putting a particular gloss on these supposed "facts", and also how so-called "facts" are contextualized, or in modern parlance, spun.

There's a widespread belief that journalists put their own personal spin on "facts". This is occasionally so - there are hacks who dislike Spurs and are unprofessional enough to let it show in their reporting. But it's far more common that the spin, or interpretation, that is being putting on events has been fed to journalists by their source "off the record" or in the manner in which they present information.

So, for instance, we have a DoF who oversees all our scouting. But Ramos makes a point of saying that he knew about Modric before joining Spurs, two-and-a-half years ago, from a scout called Elvis Scoria who is great at finding players.

Maybe it was a throwaway line... Maybe Ramos merely wants to get Scoria on Tottenham's books as a scout.... Maybe the lines of power at WHL are being redrawn.... Who knows?

But when at the same time you see Telegraph articles with headlines praising Levy (not Commoli) for the signing of Modric, and then dragon1 comes out with ITK saying Modric was nothing to do with Commoli, I for one certainly start to wonder quite what is going on.

To be honest Yanno, I'm pretty sure this was a case of Ramos syaing he knew Modric and wanted him and back slapping levy for completing it. At worst maybe a bit of reputation boosting for Levy after Jolgate and possibly pre Berbatov leaving.

What it also looks like is (and this is very common) Dragon picks up the story and and puts his/her slant on it. "Im told nothing to do with Commoli" yeah because you read it in the fucking telegraph like the rest of us.

Like I said, it is almost impossible to imagine our DOF having no imput in such a huge signing. And the pictures Saturday would sugest otherwise.

 

[yanno]

To be honest Yanno, I'm pretty sure this was a case of Ramos syaing he knew Modric and wanted him and back slapping levy for completing it. At worst maybe a bit of reputation boosting for Levy after Jolgate and possibly pre Berbatov leaving.

What it also looks like is (and this is very common) Dragon picks up the story and and puts his/her slant on it. "Im told nothing to do with Commoli" yeah because you read it in the fucking telegraph like the rest of us.

Like I said, it is almost impossible to imagine our DOF having no imput in such a huge signing. And the pictures Saturday would sugest otherwise.

Yup, that's an entirely plausible interpretation of events. However, at the very least, I think Ramos has made a very public statement that he knew about Modric before he joined Spurs and definitely wanted him in his team.

We shall see precisely what's up over the coming weeks and months.