Ramos

[Blotto]

Our summer signings, lets face it, were not great. Aside from Bale, who looked great until his injury, we made better signings in the January transfer window. Bent is only now starting to show why we paid the money for him. I think the problem is that there was plenty of money floating around due to the TV deal and the teams around us that we were ahead of last season strengthened more than we did. The positions that we were crying out to be filled (CD, LM, CM) hadn't been and combined with a shocking start to the season always left us struggling. It couldve been worse though, we have Europe for next season, a couple of teams between 5th-8th are going to be disappointed.

True enough, we could have done better in the summer market before this season and the left side of the midfield along with a suitable CM have been needed for some time now. But I am tired of the suggestions that our current roster isn't good enough, according to some we should sell every player except four which I find absolutely ridiculous. Juande will make some moves and I trust they will be good ones--I am a believer. But hysterical calls for bribing Pele out of retirement or the utterly absurd idea that Ronildinho (sp?) will be in a Spurs kit next season and that Robbie Keane, Teems and Steed should be sold are getting a bit stale...I'm just kind of suprised that Juande would want to make drastic changes to a squad that has been performing well over the past couple of seasons.

 

[Michey]

So crap that it only finished 5th the past two seasons :roll:

crap-ish in some departments. We lack a midfield, keeper and a couple of CM's........if we want to achieve something.

Things doesn't get better just because you keep those eyes closed.

 

[guiltyparty]

Fuckin hell :roll:

I'm with Ever

If he had played our 'normal' team, people would have been complaining as to why we weren't using these 'nothing' games to try out new formations and stuff...

I bet half the people in this thread were those calling on Ramos to try out Tarabt (sic), and now he has, he's blamed for not playing our normal team...

Get a fuckin grip people!

:clap:

 

[N10toN17]

That result has nothing to do with the formation or who was on the pitch, if that many players collectively fail to show up you'll get battered at this level and that's what happened, it's unusual to see virtually a whole side play that badly, but never impossible when it comes to us, I've seen it many times before.

 

[senseispab]

Winning football matches is all about the midfield. And unfortunately we've only got one and a half (at a stretch) who are up to the required standard (Potentially Lennon, and on a good day Jenas).

Expect major changed to the midfield in the summer.

 

[yiddotilidie]

Poyet came out and said that they are now looking at some of the players with next season in their minds.

People like Taraabt, who did himself absolutely no favours yesterday.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Jury is still out for me - we had the initial excitement from a new manager (we'll never know if we'd have won them games with Martin in charge or not, so i'll not go back over old ground) and now the team appears to be showing it's complete lack of drive, bar one or two players and i wonder if that's due to some confusion in the dressing room, over formations and positions, etc. and perhaps some are disillusioned by the way things are going for them, personally, under Wendys reign.

Wendy certainly isn't the superman a lot of posters were bigging him up as. He's got a more than capable squad, when uninjured, but appears to not be getting much out of them except in the biggest games.

It also concerns me that there appears to be no news about a goalkeeper coach still, months after our last one left. What's Robbo, Cerny and Alnwick doing outside of fitness training, playing Scrabble or something? :shrug:

 

[justfookinhitit]

Thanks to some of you giving me a good bit of ironic laughter this morning.

If we'd gone out yesterday playing 4-4-2 with Lee at left back, Lennon starting on the right etc etc there'd have been a load of people asking why the fuck didn't Ramos take the chance to experiment in a game that has zero meaning to us. So he asks the team to play 4-3-3, leaves Lee out (probably because he knows he is leaving this summer so why bother playing him if he isn't in next season's plan), and the team prove that we don't have the competence in midfield to play that formation. I'd much rather we have that point proven now rather than next season when the game actually matters.

Get a grip. As I think General Levy said in this thread, this defeat is almost certainly going to prove to be a blessing in disguise.

 

[tippspur59]

Next season ramos will have HIS team, not one he inherited.

 

[nidge]

Next season ramos will have HIS team, not one he inherited.

So what happened to not needing wholesale changes due to a change of manager because we have a Sporting Director?

 

[yanno]

So what happened to not needing wholesale changes due to a change of manager because we have a Sporting Director?

It was always rubbish. :wink:

 

[fortworthspur]

for the first 10 games, Jol got 0.7 PPG, for the last 21 Ramos has gotten 1.52 PPG. I didnt count the Blackburn loss for either.

 

[SpurSince57]

What indeed?

This squad was, we were led to understand in August, fit and ready to challenge the Cartel, and Ramos was brought in to succeed where Jol failed. Three months in and we spent £23m on effectively a brand-new defence (and might easily have spent another £10m on top of that). We have another big-spending summer to look forward to—not another two or three players coming in, but another half-a-dozen.

So, basically, the whole raison d'etre for the Sporting Director/DoF system is a nonsense.

 

[guiltyparty]

What indeed?

This squad was, we were led to understand in August, fit and ready to challenge the Cartel, and Ramos was brought in to succeed where Jol failed. Three months in and we spent £23m on effectively a brand-new defence (and might easily have spent another £10m on top of that). We have another big-spending summer to look forward to—not another two or three players coming in, but another half-a-dozen.

So, basically, the whole raison d'etre for the Sporting Director/DoF system is a nonsense.

Bravo that man

 

[yanno]

So, basically, the whole raison d'etre for the Sporting Director/DoF system is a nonsense.

I'd much rather have a Chief Scout and let the coach have final say on all first team transfers.

Meanwhile, it should be noted that everyone's favourite DoF, Sevilla's Monchi, has bought some real turkeys recently in amongst a couple of gems.

Arouna Kone at £9 million (Sevilla's record transfer) has been very ineffective (albeit behind Fabiano & Kanoute);

Kerzhakov went to Sevilla for big money and has now gone back to Russia;

Ramos wanted Jarque for Sevilla in the summer, Monchi signed the cheaper Mosquera instead, and Ramos was apparently unimpressed in training and hardly picked him;

Keita was a great, cheap, signing, but it sounds like Monchi only went after Keita once he'd lost Kevin-Prince Boateng to us;

Boularhouz from Chelski on loan has looked as out of his depth in La Liga as he was in the EPL.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

And the whole myth of Ramos being able to turn goat-piss into gasoline is apparently a little overblown too :shrug:

I hope it's just down to motivation or something that can be sorted with a few words in the right peoples shell-likes, but so far we've gone from a team that promised lots, without spending barely a penny in the last window, to a team that appears to be full of lemons, if you pay any stock to the Chelspurs wankers who think that the only way forward is to spend, spend, spend on plasters, instead of wondering why the bleeding continues.

 

[yanno]

And the whole myth of Ramos being able to turn goat-piss into gasoline is apparently a little overblown too :shrug:

I suspect it's more complicated than that. Around the time of the CC Final, a lot of players seemed to really trust Ramos and were adapting their games to his demands. Ramos' tactical changes in that match were fundamental, and the team responded and won the match.

Since then, despite winning in PSV, a lot of players have gone off the boil and have quite possibly been unsettled by all the talk of new players coming in to replace them in the summer. The likes of Robbo, Chimbo, Dawson, JJ, Lennon, Kaboul, even Steed, all know they may be sold in the summer, and that has almost certainly led to a drop in their confidence.

The big problem on Sunday was not Ramos' tactics - it was the lack of passion, commitment and belief shown by the players in the second half.

 

[idlepete]

I never believed that continuity crap anyway.

The benefit of having a DoF and first team coach is that you can have a pair of specialists. Coaching players and spotting/buying players are two different skills. Some managers are only good at one of them. Splitting the job up gives you potentially more options and can make it easier to find the winning managerial formula rather than having to find the next Arsene Wenger. The downside is that your two guys have to be able to work together without clawing each others' eyes out.

 

[nidge]

Well it just looks like all the work and effort that was put in by Levy, Jol and even Comolli to achieve 2 5th placed finishes has been thrown out the window and we are possible going to see another rebuilding period. :shrug:

 

[yanno]

I never believed that continuity crap anyway.

The benefit of having a DoF and first team coach is that you can have a pair of specialists. Coaching players and spotting/buying players are two different skills.

Yup. So why not have a Chief Scout, who both coordinates the search for the best young players and seeks out potential first team players according to a list of "needs" and "attributes" given to him by the coach?

The official Spurs structure that has Ramos (the coach) reporting to Commoli (the DoF) is a fiction. And a rubbish one at that.