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robotsonic

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To give Fabio some credit, he knows how to spot a player.
Chuck Amrabat on the pile also, who had a great world cup and will get a decent onward move this summer after being laughed out of the SC forums for being a low-rent option.
 

cliff jones

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Maybe. Personally I think we’ll be fine with Richy as a striker in Ange’s system - he’s definitely not a winger in an Ange team and it will be odd to then block his path with a £100m signing.

I would rather we spent the money on a right winger who is flexible enough to play striker when required as back up to Richy.
Kyogo isn’t exactly a target man so when Richarlison is injured (inevitable) we might play a more fluid front three. Do you have anyone in mind for the dual role?

Edit- meant to say Chiesa for me
 
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PhezTHFC

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No chance we're getting him. Too expensive, too high profile. PSG bound eventually surely?
Frankfurt or tottenham, as much as we have failed at times we are a lot more of attraction than Frankfurt. Yeah they won the europa league recently. But i would say if there a re allegiances we are by far the bigger attraction
 

mil1lion

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It's a bit of a Catch 22 with Rich.

In order to get the best out of him he needs consistent starts and the confidence of the manager, but if we bring in a big money striker like Muani that's never going to happen.

Personally I'm torn on him as, while he's capable of brilliance and runs all day, he's always been an erratic finisher and whenever we played Everton he could be relied on to miss a bunch of chances, even if he managed to get on the scoresheet. If he can play like he does for Brazil it would work, but they dominate 90% of teams they play.
We need to stop worrying about blocking a player though. If they're good enough then they'll earn their place. Richarlison has to compete like everyone else.
 

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To anyone posting graphs comparing the players, could you please try using Vlahovic's last season at Fiorentina instead?

I have honestly never seen a team setup as so simultaneously negative and ineffective as Allegri's Juve last season. You 100% cannot judge Vlahovic based off that system.


It's a shame that Paratici is supposedly semi-blacklisted by the Serie A as I think there's huge talent in that Juve team that are being massively undervalued due to how they're playing under Allegri. Talks that Locatelli could be available for 25m, who would be an outstanding signing also.
Took the time to do this myself. This is Vlahovic's last Juve season compared against his last Fiorentina season. The difference is night and day.

 

felmani26

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Maybe. Personally I think we’ll be fine with Richy as a striker in Ange’s system - he’s definitely not a winger in an Ange team and it will be odd to then block his path with a £100m signing.

I would rather we spent the money on a right winger who is flexible enough to play striker when required as back up to Richy.
Bryan Mbuemo would be an interesting shout here as I too feel we need some added flexibility out on the right flank to alternate with Kulusevski and also able to deputise up top more than adequately.
 

THOWIG

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Frankfurt picked this lad up on a free transfer.

We really need to improve our approach to the market. We need to have eyes on these players before the likes of Frankfurt pick them up.
But looking at the reaction at the time it would have slammed by our fan base.
 

felmani26

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Took the time to do this myself. This is Vlahovic's last Juve season compared against his last Fiorentina season. The difference is night and day.

He's clearly a talent who's had a below par season in a pragmatic team.

I wonder what the thoughts are of Juve fans on him whether his performances are indicative of a malaise in the team under Allegri or that he simply hasn't delivered from high expectations post Fiorentina?
 

Timberwolf

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We need to stop worrying about blocking a player though. If they're good enough then they'll earn their place. Richarlison has to compete like everyone else.
Sure but it does mean we've effectively spent ~150m on one position in the team if we spend big on Muani, which isn't exactly a smart use of resources.
 

mil1lion

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Sure but it does mean we've effectively spent ~150m on one position in the team if we spend big on Muani, which isn't exactly a smart use of resources.
It's a lot of money and we should only spend if we're sure he's worth it. Forwards are generally expensive though and end of the day Richarlison was covered in last years window already. We need to keep signing the best we can possibly get in each position that needs to be filled. If Muani is our top choice then go for it. At least he covers right forward as well or can play in a front 2.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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It's a huge risk to rely on Richarlison. I think he could do well but thats far from a guarantee. To go into the season with a player who scored 1 goal replacing one who scored 30 is a massive gamble. We need 2 top forwards because its also about the long term and we should be back in europe soon enough. Besides another injury for Richarlison and we look light again. Its the same for the centre backs, we should get 2 quality ones rather than 1 and a lesser backup. Let them compete and when the schedule picks up rotate. Also it doesnt inpact so much when someone gets injured.

In an ideal world we have two top quality players for every position on the pitch. Most teams don’t have that luxury as it’s hard to keep players happy unless you can offer rotation opportunities in top competitions like the champions league.

We have NO matches in Europe this year. Yes it would be good to have two top quality forwards but it’s gonna cause problems once one of them sees extra bench time - as we saw with Richy last year.

Yes Richy only scored 1 league goal last season but he is a proven scorer in the league. Any forward we bring in from a foreign league won’t be proven in the league.

As I said, I see the argument for a good quality flexible forward, but a specialist will be a push seeing we’ve recently spent 60m on a striker who needs chances.
 

mil1lion

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In an ideal world we have two top quality players for every position on the pitch. Most teams don’t have that luxury as it’s hard to keep players happy unless you can offer rotation opportunities in top competitions like the champions league.

We have NO matches in Europe this year. Yes it would be good to have two top quality forwards but it’s gonna cause problems once one of them sees extra bench time - as we saw with Richy last year.

Yes Richy only scored 1 league goal last season but he is a proven scorer in the league. Any forward we bring in from a foreign league won’t be proven in the league.

As I said, I see the argument for a good quality flexible forward, but a specialist will be a push seeing we’ve recently spent 60m on a striker who needs chances.
I think 2 for each positions is unlikely for most teams. What you can do is have multiple quality options who are flexible and then good squad competition in others. This guy doesn't seem like a specialist as it seems he can cover wide attack too. So if you have say 3 quality centre backs in Tapsoba, VdV and Romero but Tapsoba covers right centre back and VdV covers left back you're covered with high quality for a few scenarios. Same for forwards, if you get a top quality forward who can play up top or wide it's better to have say 4 top quality flexible attackers with a couple more for competition than just 3 clear starters and 3 squad fillers. That will get us a long way to being a top side.

I think its very much in our capability to have a team of around 15/16 high calibre players who are equally capable of being a starter. No more best 11. Have a couple of experienced pros who will come in and do a job when called on and some young prospects who are raw but have potential to become top quality. Those making up the squad depth.
 

samsonlevi

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And then this is Fiorentina Vlahovic compared with Randal Kolo-Muani, which paints a much more accurate and balanced picture. Especially considering that Vlahovic would've been two years younger based off these seasons.

To me every bit of data I’ve seen so far suggests that they should be apart of the same front three as eachother. Not saying we will sign both. But that would be ambition and a great way to overcome the challenge of a post Son and Kane spurs team
 

Ron Burgundy

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To me every bit of data I’ve seen so far suggests that they should be apart of the same front three as eachother. Not saying we will sign both. But that would be ambition and a great way to overcome the challenge of a post Son and Kane spurs team
Hmmm. I don't disagree with anything you're saying, at all. And yet...

If we sell Kane, my feeling is we'll spend the money on VDV, Tabsoba and (someone like) Gallagher

...and then keep whatever powder we have left (probably not loads) dry

I'd like to agree with you, but I doubt that's how it'll play out
 

Timberwolf

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I think 2 for each positions is unlikely for most teams. What you can do is have multiple quality options who are flexible and then good squad competition in others. This guy doesn't seem like a specialist as it seems he can cover wide attack too. So if you have say 3 quality centre backs in Tapsoba, VdV and Romero but Tapsoba covers right centre back and VdV covers left back you're covered with high quality for a few scenarios. Same for forwards, if you get a top quality forward who can play up top or wide it's better to have say 4 top quality flexible attackers with a couple more for competition than just 3 clear starters and 3 squad fillers. That will get us a long way to being a top side.

I think its very much in our capability to have a team of around 15/16 high calibre players who are equally capable of being a starter. No more best 11. Have a couple of experienced pros who will come in and do a job when called on and some young prospects who are raw but have potential to become top quality. Those making up the squad depth.
Yeah in an ideal world we could do what Newcastle currently do with Isak where they play him wide left when Wilson is starting.

I guess that was kind of the plan with Rich last season, except we shunted him out on the right where he's much less effective (and playing both him and Son as wide players in the same team doesn't work as they're both so direct and turn the ball over way too much).
 
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