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TH1239

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Now that the window is closed, and there has been record breaking spending around the Premiership, I'm curious how people feel about the business done by the top clubs. Who has strengthened significantly and who didn't do enough to maintain a title or top four challenge? Here are my personal thoughts:

Manchester United: 10/10 rating. I think all four of their signings were top class. Ibra brings a winner's mentality they've sorely lacked, and Pogba is a such a talent that once he gets accustomed to the league, I think he'll shine in their midfield. Bailly might end up being the best signing of them all, as he is improved tremendously since the beginning of last season at Villareal. Mkhitarayan also is going to be a top signing once he settles. All in all, they are co-favorites to win the title in my opinion.

Manchester City: 9/10 rating. Nolito is going to be the best signing for value in Europe. They singed some serious attacking talent in the form of Sane and Gabriel Jesus, but also mixed in a proven winner in Claudio Bravo. The key for them, though, is Gundogan. If he's fit soon, and stays fit, they are the title favorites in my opinion.

Tottenham: 8/10 rating. I actually would've given us a 6/10 before the signing of Sissoko. I think he's going to massively prove a number of folks wrong here. He's versatile, but I think he'll play mostly on the right of the AM3. The Wanyama signing was also phenomenal value for the money spent. While I think we will regret missing out on Batshuayi, Janssen fulfills a need and there were a dearth of strikers out there. Nkoudou is the one signing I think will likely struggle given the physicality of the Prem. Would've preferred we went for Boufal. Nevertheless, the Sissoko signing is the story of this window for us, and I think Poch will be proven prescient in his desire to grab Sissoko at great cost.

Leicester: 8/10 rating. They held on to Vardy and Mahrez, and tied up others to long term deals. Kante left, which hurts, but they replaced him well with Mendy. They made a big splash buying Slimani today, and Musa might be the fastest player in the Prem. I think they're going to stubbornly hang around the top 6-8 this season.

Chelsea: 8/10 rating. They did very well with their first two purchases in Batshuayi and Kante. Had they been able to get their top CB choice in Koulibaly, they'd really be right there with the Manchester clubs. They also couldn't secure James Rodriguez, so they don't have the top class #10 to match their other attacking talent. The Luiz fee was absurd, but by all accounts Alonso has improved a lot at Fiorentina in the last few years and is versatile enough to allow Conte to play 3-5-2.

Arsenal: 7/10 rating. Xhaka and Mustafi are both good players and will help them. However, they made a MASSIVE mistake not going all out for Lacazette. He genuinely could've won them the league with their set-up and the form he's been on. Perez had a good season last year in a poor Deportivo side, but moving from a Coruna to London and settling into life in the Prem is going to be very tough for him.

Liverpool: 6.5/10 rating. Mane was a great signing for Klopp. Wijnaldum was also a decent signing. However, they seemingly did little to improve their squad beyond that, which doesn't make sense, as they had huge hole at left back. Liverpool also recouped a lot of money in transfer fees, but didn't reinvest more than that into their squad.

Southampton: 6.5/10 rating: Boufal was a total coup for them. However, they sold their three best players. They also were the form team of 2016, as they took home more points than anyone bar Leicester and January, I believe. Their manager did well at Nice last season, but I don't think he has the personnel to play his diamond system at Southampton.

Everton: 6/10: They were very ambitious, but nothing came off for them. They apparently tried hard for Witsel, Perez, and Brahimi, but got turned down by either the player or the club. Despite their new ownership, they spent next to nothing net. Koeman is a fantastic manager, but he's going to require some spending to implement his philosophy. They did do really well with the Gueye signing. Conversely, the Bolasie signing was awful. They also don't have any real cover for Lukaku. They'll be improved from last season, but missed a chance to really build a top 4 contending squad.
 
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Shanks

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To be honest, City, United and Chelsea have all really strengthened.. to the point that I cannot see a top 3 without any of them.

Time will tell if we've strengthened - in terms of improving the first team, but I cannot see us battling the likes of those 3 at the moment, 4th spot between Arsenal, Liverpool and ourselves.

My early suspicions are that Batshuyi (sp) could be the signing of the season.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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A quick caveat, this is all based on hypotheticals - the true judgement comes at the end of the season...

City, Chelsea and UTD strengthened to such a degree in regards playing staff as well as their management/coaching teams that I believe they have surpassed where we are - I cannot see us finishing above them, which will be deemed as either realistic or grossly pessimistic depending on your outlook.

We probably have ended up strengthening our squad, but given our position last year and the CL, I don't believe we did quite enough and didnt take the opportunity to strengthen our first 11 - I could possibly be wrong as I am currently of the view that Sissoko is particularly underwhelming and hope to be proved wrong.

I think we have left our CM without a 'passer', there is no incisive or expansive passing ranges in there and therefore I feel it is all a bit one dimensional if it needs changing up and there is a lack of creativity in the middle of the side. While I also think we needed one special CAM to compete and really drive us forward...

I am excited to see the option that Nkoudou will give us as he settles and hopefully can add something to our style of play.

Wanyama is solid, but he is rotation for Dier - long term I do not see that as a partnership.

Janssen is a great rotation option and clearly buys in to what Poch demands- I like him. And we clearly needed an alternative to Kane to allow him a rest and a break from pressure from time to time.

Arsenal have certainly improved their squad, as have Liverpool who also seem to be playing more to Klopps philosophy...

That Top 4 battle is going to be very difficult...very difficult indeed...
 
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Supersi32

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A quick caveat, this is all based on hypotheticals - the true judgement comes at the end of the season...

City, Chelsea and UTD strengthened to such a degree in regards playing staff as well as their management/coaching teams that I believe they have surpassed where we are - I cannot see us finishing above them, which will be deemed as either realistic or grossly pessimistic depending on your outlook.

We probably have ended up strengthening our squad, but given our position last year and the CL, I don't believe we did quite enough and didnt take the opportunity to strengthen our first 11 - I could possibly be wrong as I am currently of the view that Sissoko is particularly underwhelming and hope to be proved wrong.

I think we have left our CM without a 'passer', there is no incisive or expansive passing ranges in there and therefore I feel it is all a bit one dimensional if it needs changing up and there is a lakk of creativity in the middle of the side. While I also think we needed one special CAM to compete and really drive us forward...

I am excited to see the option that Nkoudou will give us as he settles and hopefully can add something to our style of play.

Wanyama is solid, but he is rotation for Dier - long term I do not see that as a partnership.

Janssen is a great rotation option and clearly buys in to what Poch demands- I like him. And we clearly needed an alternative to Kane top allow him a rest and a break from pressure from time to time.

Arsenal have certainly improved their squad, as have Liverpool who also seem to be playing more to Klopps philosophy...

That Top 4 battle is going to be very difficult...very difficult indeed...

Agree with the part in bold, I think a first team ready CM play-maker would have been fantastic, however, I know Winks probably isn't first team ready yet but I think Poch sees this role for him, he is a very astute passer of the ball, gets it forward quickly and delivers clever passes.
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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Now that the window is closed, and there has been record breaking spending around the Premiership, I'm curious how people feel about the business done by the top clubs. Who has strengthened significantly and who didn't do enough to maintain a title or top four challenge? Here are my personal thoughts:

Manchester United: 10/10 rating. I think all four of their signings were top class. Ibra brings a winner's mentality they've sorely lacked, and Pogba is a such a talent that once he gets accustomed to the league, I think he'll shine in their midfield. Bailly might end up being the best signing of them all, as he is improved tremendously since the beginning of last season at Villareal. Mkhitarayan also is going to be a top signing once he settles. All in all, they are co-favorites to win the title in my opinion.

Manchester City: 9/10 rating. Nolito is going to be the best signing for value in Europe. They singed some serious attacking talent in the form of Sane and Gabriel Jesus, but also mixed in a proven winner in Claudio Bravo. The key for them, though, is Gundogan. If he's fit soon, and stays fit, they are the title favorites in my opinion.

Tottenham: 8/10 rating. I actually would've given us a 6/10 before the signing of Sissoko. I think he's going to massively prove a number of folks wrong here. He's versatile, but I think he'll play mostly on the right of the AM3. The Wanyama signing was also phenomenal value for the money spent. While I think we will regret missing out on Batshuayi, Janssen fulfills a need and there were a dearth of strikers out there. Nkoudou is the one signing I think will likely struggle given the physicality of the Prem. Would've preferred we went for Boufal. Nevertheless, the Sissoko signing is the story of this window for us, and I think Poch will be proven prescient in his desire to grab Sissoko at great cost.

Leicester: 8/10 rating. They held on to Vardy and Mahrez, and tied up others to long term deals. Kante left, which hurts, but they replaced him well with Mendy. They made a big splash buying Slimani today, and Musa might be the fastest player in the Prem. I think they're going to stubbornly hang around the top 6-8 this season.

Chelsea: 8/10 rating. They did very well with their first two purchases in Batshuayi and Kante. Had they been able to get their top CB choice in Koulibaly, they'd really be right there with the Manchester clubs. They also couldn't secure James Rodriguez, so they don't have the top class #10 to match their other attacking talent. The Luiz fee was absurd, but by all accounts Alonso has improved a lot at Fiorentina in the last few years and is versatile enough to allow Conte to play 3-5-2.

Arsenal: 7/10 rating. Xhaka and Mustafi are both good players and will help them. However, they made a MASSIVE mistake not going all out for Lacazette. He genuinely could've won them the league with their set-up and the form he's been on. Perez had a good season last year in a poor Deportivo side, but moving from a Coruna to London and settling into life in the Prem is going to be very tough for him.

Liverpool: 6.5/10 rating. Mane was a great signing for Klopp. Wijnaldum was also a decent signing. However, they seemingly did little to improve their squad beyond that, which doesn't make sense, as they had huge hole at left back. Liverpool also recouped a lot of money in transfer fees, but didn't reinvest more than that into their squad.

Southampton: 6.5/10 rating: Boufal was a total coup for them. However, they sold their three best players. They also were the form team of 2016, as they took home more points than anyone bar Leicester and January, I believe. Their manager did well at Nice last season, but I don't think he has the personnel to play his diamond system at Southampton.

Everton: 6/10: They were very ambitious, but nothing came off for them. They apparently tried hard for Witsel, Perez, and Brahimi, but got turned down by either the player or the club. Despite their new ownership, they spent next to nothing net. Koeman is a fantastic manager, but he's going to require some spending to implement his philosophy. They did do really well with the Gueye signing. Conversely, the Bolasie signing was awful. They also don't have any real cover for Lukaku. They'll be improved from last season, but missed a chance to really build a top 4 contending squad.

Agree with most of that. I do think Matip looked good last week so that is a good piece of business for Pool
 

Cravenspurs

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A quick caveat, this is all based on hypotheticals - the true judgement comes at the end of the season...

City, Chelsea and UTD strengthened to such a degree in regards playing staff as well as their management/coaching teams that I believe they have surpassed where we are - I cannot see us finishing above them, which will be deemed as either realistic or grossly pessimistic depending on your outlook.

We probably have ended up strengthening our squad, but given our position last year and the CL, I don't believe we did quite enough and didnt take the opportunity to strengthen our first 11 - I could possibly be wrong as I am currently of the view that Sissoko is particularly underwhelming and hope to be proved wrong.

I think we have left our CM without a 'passer', there is no incisive or expansive passing ranges in there and therefore I feel it is all a bit one dimensional if it needs changing up and there is a lakk of creativity in the middle of the side. While I also think we needed one special CAM to compete and really drive us forward...

I am excited to see the option that Nkoudou will give us as he settles and hopefully can add something to our style of play.

Wanyama is solid, but he is rotation for Dier - long term I do not see that as a partnership.

Janssen is a great rotation option and clearly buys in to what Poch demands- I like him. And we clearly needed an alternative to Kane top allow him a rest and a break from pressure from time to time.

Arsenal have certainly improved their squad, as have Liverpool who also seem to be playing more to Klopps philosophy...

That Top 4 battle is going to be very difficult...very difficult indeed...

The bolded bit.

We needed two people to strengthen our side IMHO. Something different than Dembele. More of a passer like Xavi or Pirlo and someone up top that can create like Silva or iniesta. Are those unobtainable? Maybe, but Isco would have checked a box or two. Due to the fact we dropped that ball, I just don't see us hitting on all cylinders. The team could surprise me, but I still think we are too one dimensional (e.g. Slow methodical build up which stalls at the edge of the box)

And as for our signings you are spot on. Vic shouldn't be in the starting 11 for any top 6 side. He is a beast yes, but he is very very big liability when paired with another DM. And for me Dier is a more complete package at the DM role.

I do think Poch might be using his youth more than we think as Harrison offers a different look up top or out wide and I do think Winks has that dimension in him to take over for a tired Dembele.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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The bolded bit.

We needed two people to strengthen our side IMHO. Something different than Dembele. More of a passer like Xavi or Pirlo and someone up top that can create like Silva or iniesta. Are those unobtainable? Maybe, but Isco would have checked a box or two. Due to the fact we dropped that ball, I just don't see us hitting on all cylinders. The team could surprise me, but I still think we are too one dimensional (e.g. Slow methodical build up which stalls at the edge of the box)

And as for our signings you are spot on. Vic shouldn't be in the starting 11 for any top 6 side. He is a beast yes, but he is very very big liability when paired with another DM. And for me Dier is a more complete package at the DM role.

I do think Poch might be using his youth more than we think as Harrison offers a different look up top or out wide and I do think Winks has that dimension in him to take over for a tired Dembele.

I agree that Winks is a viable option and can offer us something different, I rate him highly. But i'm just not sure how much of an important role he will be given within the first team squad...
 

Neon_Knight_

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I think we have left our CM without a 'passer', there is no incisive or expansive passing ranges in there and therefore I feel it is all a bit one dimensional if it needs changing up and there is a lakk of creativity in the middle of the side. While I also think we needed one special CAM to compete and really drive us forward.

Still waiting on a replacement for Luka ;)
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Right after signing Wanyama and Janssen we were set for a 11/10 window.
Then we dragged on and spent loads of energy on various deals. I see no point in spending that much energy and time on a deal that saw N'Jie and N'Koudou swap places. That was a 3/10 process.
I do like the prospect of a new, young goalie, since we had no goalie worth trusting in that age category. 8/10
Sissoko to me is a classic panic buy, 6/10.
Which leads to a healthy overall 7/10 window.

Edit: I said all spring/summer that we needed more players who could be of starting 11 calibre, and who could easily earn the right to be included in Pochettino's trusted core. I do believe that was achieved.
 
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Bus-Conductor

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A quick caveat, this is all based on hypotheticals - the true judgement comes at the end of the season...

City, Chelsea and UTD strengthened to such a degree in regards playing staff as well as their management/coaching teams that I believe they have surpassed where we are - I cannot see us finishing above them, which will be deemed as either realistic or grossly pessimistic depending on your outlook.

We probably have ended up strengthening our squad, but given our position last year and the CL, I don't believe we did quite enough and didnt take the opportunity to strengthen our first 11 - I could possibly be wrong as I am currently of the view that Sissoko is particularly underwhelming and hope to be proved wrong.

I think we have left our CM without a 'passer', there is no incisive or expansive passing ranges in there and therefore I feel it is all a bit one dimensional if it needs changing up and there is a lakk of creativity in the middle of the side. While I also think we needed one special CAM to compete and really drive us forward...

I am excited to see the option that Nkoudou will give us as he settles and hopefully can add something to our style of play.

Wanyama is solid, but he is rotation for Dier - long term I do not see that as a partnership.

Janssen is a great rotation option and clearly buys in to what Poch demands- I like him. And we clearly needed an alternative to Kane top allow him a rest and a break from pressure from time to time.

Arsenal have certainly improved their squad, as have Liverpool who also seem to be playing more to Klopps philosophy...

That Top 4 battle is going to be very difficult...very difficult indeed...

I don't think it's "expansive" passers or passing we've left ourselves short of, Alderweireld and Dier can both ping a diagonal, it's almost the opposite, we've left ourselves with only Carroll as a quick, short, progressive passer and he's always looked a bit lightweight and fragile in a cm2 and is even worse defensively than Bentaleb or Mason in terms of defensive positional diligence.

Winks and Onomah can do it, but I have very little faith in Pochettino giving them much chance in meaningful games.
 

Misfit

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Seem to have sorted depth. I've given up on trying to evaluate players. I cover myself in as much shit as glory which tends to happen when I try, in my ignorance, to evaluate talent. So, Poch has earned my trust in his judgement. Just feels nice to not go into a season with a glaring weakness or considerable lack of depth.

Let's go hard in the CL again. Show these tippy tappers what's up!
 

Bulletspur

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I agree that Winks is a viable option and can offer us something different, I rate him highly. But i'm just not sure how much of an important role he will be given within the first team squad...
I have never taken you as a negative poster @o-tibsy-o. Sissoko and now Winks? Come on Bro, its not that bad
 

0-Tibsy-0

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I don't think it's "expansive" passers or passing we've left ourselves short of, Alderweireld and Dier can both ping a diagonal, it's almost the opposite, we've left ourselves with only Carroll as a quick, short, progressive passer and he's always looked a bit lightweight and fragile in a cm2 and is even worse defensively than Bentaleb or Mason in terms of defensive positional diligence.

Winks and Onomah can do it, but I have very little faith in Pochettino giving them much chance in meaningful games.

Perhaps expansive was wrong, I was talking about somebody comfortable getting on the ball, receiving it in tight spaces, playing incisive passes through the lines etc and also being creative on the ball - able to mix up the approach and switch play or hit a runner too if needed...I think Winks has the natural ability, it will be interesting to see how he is utilised..
 

0-Tibsy-0

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I have never taken you as a negative poster @o-tibsy-o. Sissoko and now Winks? Come on Bro, its not that bad

What do you mean 'and now Winks'? I didn't think I was being particularly negative overall - just not wonderfully optimistic..lol
 

LexingtonSpurs

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What do you mean 'and now Winks'? I didn't think I was being particularly negative overall - just not wonderfully optimistic..lol
I tend to agree - I don't think Winks is going to have much of a role, this year at least. I think he will be a bench player in Cup games, maybe getting a start or two in early cup matches. He will struggle to make the bench for most/all league and CL matches.
 
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