Rate The Ref

[Yid121]

Please rate Mark Clattenburg's refereeing performance against Aston Villa using the poll above.

I am submitting a poll after each of our domestic league/cup matches and keeping track of the results, so we can keep track of referees that ref well for us :wink: / just do a good job.

Results
Andre Marriner - Man City (H) - Av. Rating 6.06 (89 votes cast)
Chris Foy - Stoke (A) - Av. Rating 6.34 (99 votes cast)
Phil Dowd - Wigan (H) - Av. Rating 4.69 (43 votes cast)
Howard Webb - West Brom (A) - Av. Rating 4.16 (62 votes cast)
Mike Jones - Wolves (H) - Av. Rating 5.62 (53 votes cast)
Lee Probert - Arsenal (H) - Av. Rating 2.27 (64 votes cast)
Martin Atkinson - West Ham (A) - Av. Rating 6.47 (30 votes cast)
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[ShelfSide18]

Thought he was generally poor, especially in the first half. He should have booked Friedel for blatant timewasting and missed several obvious fouls. Poor ref, and I'm still bitter about that Mendes goal.

 

[tooey]

rated him a 4....Not because I felt he was leaning his decisions villas way but because he was shite both ways. Vdv should have had a yellow for a blatent dive, should have been a red for the foul on lennon etc etc. Not one of the better refs in the prem imo.

 

[leffe186]

Totally agree on the VDV and Lennon decisions, particularly given that Collins had already made a couple of ropey tackles.

I'm just so frustrated that the kind of cynical, consistent late tackles that we saw in the first half weren't getting properly punished. One early yellow card and that would have been the end of them.

 

[garyhopkins]

Totally agree on the VDV and Lennon decisions, particularly given that Collins had already made a couple of ropey tackles.

I'm just so frustrated that the kind of cynical, consistent late tackles that we saw in the first half weren't getting properly punished. One early yellow card and that would have been the end of them.

I have to agree that so often refs let the opposition get away with cynical fouls on our players. The Collins tackle was why the red card was first brought in for last man challenges. However, now it's got ridiculous with players being sent off for slight touches and dives by the forwards. When a truly deliberate, cynical foul occurs today the ref uses his discretion regarding other players being in line and it's a yellow. It's stupid and annoys me endlessly.

 

[tooey]

I have to agree that so often refs let the opposition get away with cynical fouls on our players. The Collins tackle was why the red card was first brought in for last man challenges. However, now it's got ridiculous with players being sent off for slight touches and dives by the forwards. When a truly deliberate, cynical foul occurs today the ref uses his discretion regarding other players being in line and it's a yellow. It's stupid and annoys me endlessly.

For me there are too many gray areas where referees are given too much discretion. For me it should be simple. When a player is the last man and is stopping a direct goal scoring opportunity then it should be red. Whether it be a shirt pull, trip, slide tackle, over aggressive nudge etc it should be a red. Same goes for yellow card incurred due to time wasting, how often does the ref punish the goalkeeper 6 second rule? The longer the FA give referees the right to use there own discretion when its the last man the longer we will see instances where referrees are called into the fireline because they've made the wrong desision. We need a concrete rule.

 

[alfiespurs]

Clattenburg is pathetic ... he was the blind toss pot that did not give us the goal against MANSCUM ... Mendes from the half way line ...

 

[guate]

He's certainly not one of my favourite refs, in fact he's almost as bad as Howard Webb.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I'm stunned that nobody scored him worse than me. I very, very generously (I tend to be kind to refs in this as it's a tough old job and generally they do better than their reputations suggest) gave him a two.

That guy could have ended players careers out there. His willful, reckless inability to award deserved yellow cards in the first twenty minutes set the scene for utter carnage. When it's raining and there's a slippery surface to encourage sliding challenges and not punish Villa's consistent "going through" the ball every time they tackled was appalling.

For the Lennon decision, Collins should have gone for i) being the last man, ii) a deliberate trip, iii) having his foot at least a foot and a half off the ground, and iv) going in studs first. So just the four serious offences.

If he wasn't going to give the VDV penalty he should have booked him, too. But it was the Villa tackling that really offended. I had my heart in my mouth the whole game at the prospect of our players having their season ended. Bale went down, Pav went down, Luka, Crouch, if these guys had been caught even fractionally later then they would be out for a long, long time.

I give it a maximum of a month before either a Villa player or Mark Clattenburg's dangerously bad refereeing sees a player suffer a serious, career-threatening injury.

 

[fortworthspur]

two of their players got free kicks to the head of Gomes - Warnocks was particularly egregious. I thought he sucked today.

 

[3Dnata]

He didn't have much to do but still made a right pigs ear of it.
Obvious sending off for Collins and unless there was a rule change and there is an amnesty for fouls on Modric there should have been Villa yellows in the firsy half.

 

[Paxtonite]

This thread is pointless. Most of the drivel posted is from the view of THFC blue and white specs and most posters don't appreciate the laws of the game anyway. Perhaps there were one or two decisions that went away from the ref? He probably made less mistakes than most of the players on the pitch.

He doesn't have the monitors, analysis, replays, pundits and second chances (and most of all bias) that everybody else gets to view an incident and then debate the point afterwards.

Confession - i am a ref too. And until you have done the course, refereed games and understood exactly what is involved in controlling a match, managing the game and enforcing the laws then you will never quite "get it".

Beggars belief how some people cite too much "discretion" and others cry out for "common sense"!!!! Then you get the one's that cry out for consistency when the only thing you can be consistent about is the viewpoint of the incident that you get.

Clattenburg is a solid ref. I am not a Webb fan (as a spurs supporter) but as a referee i can say that he usually has a good game and he had an excellent CL and World Cup final.

Referee's make some excellent decisions. They will make some mistakes but then so do players and managers. It can happen. More often than not though they are spot on. The world of hindsight is an easy place to live in guys.

 

[littlemandefoe]

I think Clattenburg is in the top 3 best refs in the Prem. I think he is an excellent ref and when I see him refereeing our matches, I feel happy and assured about it!

Funny how there our different opinions on the forum!

 

[nightgoat]

He doesn't have the monitors, analysis, replays, pundits and second chances (and most of all bias) that everybody else gets to view an incident and then debate the point afterwards.

Neither do the crowd in the stands, but then we all saw that Collins should have been sent off and that Friedel should have been told more than once, and then eventually punished for all his time wasting...

 

[Yorkshireyiddo]

The guy is a joker enough said.

 

[Raxscallion]

He was utter shit.

 

[StartingPrice]

Thought he was generally poor, especially in the first half. He should have booked Friedel for blatant timewasting and missed several obvious fouls. Poor ref, and I'm still bitter about that Mendes goal.

I agree with the assessment, but I quite literally put 'Mendes-Gate' out of my head and still thought he was poor.
I tried to allow for the fact that it was slippery out there, but even so would have expected a booking long before one happened.

And don't even get me started on that foul on Lennon...:roll:

 

[Michey]

Pathetic to see how he let Villa throw themselves at Gomes and even kicking in the head without pulling out even a yellow.


Collins should obviously have been given a straight red for his tackle on Lennon.

 

[edson]

One thing he did right that i would like to see more of is Blanking the players when they were diving and trying to win free kicks, and signalling play on when they were rolling around on the ground, that made the players get up a bit Sharpe when they realised that they was not getting what they wanted.

 

[markiespurs]

I'm never happy when i see Clattenburg as our ref, the bloke is piss poor on a good day.

How he only gave Collins a yellow for that cynical challange on Lennon is beyond me, I really hate cynisism in football and feel that the problems getting worse and needs tougher action by refs. He also generally let the Villa players kick lumps out of some of our players yesterday.