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Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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I go back quite a way (not as far as the likes of SS57 who witnessed our very first FA Cup win), and I am forming a theory. It goes like this; I remember when, in the early eighties, we were the team that played the best football in the league and Arsenal were a very decent side who never outplayed us but always managed to beat us. We played better football, The ball just always seemed to role their way. Karma eh....

Redknapp got this hugely wrong. He's like a goldfish, he learns a lesson, forgets it, learns it, forgets it.

I've just heard his post match interview and it baffles me even more. He said something like:

"They had the extra body in midfield so they were always going to dominate in there. I nearly changed it at half time but decided to give it a bit longer. I played Rafa on the right and it doesn't really suit him and he doesn't get back so great."

Then why the fuck did you pick this team and play these tactics and then take so long to correct them. And even when he did, Defoe should have come off.

He made one change from Wigan and managed to make every part of the pitch weaker. Defoe tried hard but is so weak and ineffectual - and the next time he's offside I feel it would be kinder to just pull a tent round him and put him (and us) out of our misery - we effectively were one footballer down on Arsenal for the whole match. And this was most evident in midfield where Redknapp's team/tactics effectively made it a 2 v 5 midfield at times, which was exasperated by a poor Modric performance (not helped obviously by the tactics).

What disappoints me most is I think this Arsenal side are the worst for 15 years. We shouldn't have needed fortune to beat them. If we'd have pressed their back four like we did Liverpool's we'd have scared them shitless.

We created some fabulous positions on the break and wasted every single one of them with poor choices or poor delivery. I can't remember a game recently, where we had so many 1v1's and didn't score a single one.

Until Sandro came on we were second best all over the pitch to a very ordinary and make shift looking Arsenal side. Second to every ball, second in work rate and movement, second in moving the ball around.

We humped more long balls than short ones, and were so open at times it was scary. It was really only Parker, Kaboul and King holding us together.

And I lost count of the times players found themselves in possession with no-one giving them an option and having to twist and turn as Arsenal players pack hunted them down and took the ball or forced errors. Really poor.

Then Sandro came on and for the first time in the game we didn't look like a poor team. Leaving Defoe on still left us a footballer light but at least it was now 3 v 5 in midfield instead of 2. Gradually we started stringing more than 2 passes together occasionally and by the time all the subs were made (which still amazingly left Defoe on the pitch) we had actually managed to get a foothold in the game.

I guess it's greedy to want performance and result, but I honestly believe we were capable of it with the team we have against the team they have.

Ratings:

Friedel 7 - OK, if Arsenal could shoot they'd be dangerous.

Walker 7.5 - His most competent performance to date, crowned with a pile driver.

Kaboul 7.5 - Outstanding today bar the moment when VP skanked him.

King 7.5 - As above.

Ekotto 6 - Worked hard and gets flimsy fucking help from Bale but also gave the ball away a lot.

VDV 6.5 - Played out of position against the worst opposition to be played out of position. Showed what he can do when played in the right place when he scored, unfortunately Redknapp's tactics cost us that pleasure more often. Took his goal superbly, but also took a stupid booking.

Modric 5.5 - Very poor. 31 passes is about half his average. But again, this was partly because Redknapp effectively pitted him and Parker against 5 players.

Parker 7.75 - Saw more ball then Modric, worked his little legs off. My MOTM.

Bale 6.5 - Really hard to mark today. Going forward looked good at times and did play a couple of good balls, but also wasted 3/4 great positions and missed completely with a 1v1. Defensively piss poor at times. Lilly livered, half arsed efforts to close down and help Ekotto.

Adebayor 6.5 - Below the par of recent performances I thought. Again, not helped by the tactics, which in turn hampered performances elsewhere, but there were a few times I thought he could have done better. Didn't think his movement was as good today. Even on a bad day manages to set up a goal with a delightful bit of vision.

Defoe 6 - marks for hard work.

Redknapp 3 - see above. if you can't be good, be lucky eh.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Now the BC Defoe vendetta has got so bad, he is not even rating him...;-)

EDIT: OK he has seen it now.

Agree on Redknapp, he got it wrong today, and the thing is he knows the formation we have to take against the strong teams, but he can't bring himself to give up Defoe and 2 up top. It is his weakness.
 

Spurger King

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Jul 22, 2008
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I thought Modric was pretty poor for much of the game.

Parker was fantastic, but for me King was man of the match. Typically stunning performance.
 

JollyHappy

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Oct 9, 2005
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I'd upgrade Redknapp to a 6 on your scoring scale.

And I think we did win against the Scum or did I miss something?
 

beats1

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Feb 22, 2010
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I think had our passing been better their extra man wouldn't of made a big difference

This was probably the worst passing display i have seen by our first team in ages and fuck me, was ade wearing a crouch costume because the players seemed to hoof the ball when we had it
 

Kalim

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Dec 10, 2006
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I go back quite a way (not as far as the likes of SS57 who witnessed our very first FA Cup win), and I am forming a theory. It goes like this; I remember when, in the early eighties, we were the team that played the best football in the league and Arsenal were a very decent side who never outplayed us but always managed to beat us. We played better football, The ball just always seemed to role their way. Karma eh....

Redknapp got this hugely wrong. He's like a goldfish, he learns a lesson, forgets it, learns it, forgets it.

I've just heard his post match interview and it baffles me even more. He said something like:

"They had the extra body in midfield so they were always going to dominate in there. I nearly changed it at half time but decided to give it a bit longer. I played Rafa on the right and it doesn't really suit him and he doesn't get back so great."

Then why the fuck did you pick this team and play these tactics and then take so long to correct them. And even when he did, Defoe should have come off.

He made one change from Wigan and managed to make every part of the pitch weaker. Defoe tried hard but is so weak and ineffectual - and the next time he's offside I feel it would be kinder to just pull a tent round him and put him (and us) out of our misery - we effectively were one footballer down on Arsenal for the whole match. And this was most evident in midfield where Redknapp's team/tactics effectively made it a 2 v 5 midfield at times, which was exasperated by a poor Modric performance (not helped obviously by the tactics).

What disappoints me most is I think this Arsenal side are the worst for 15 years. We shouldn't have needed fortune to beat them. If we'd have pressed their back four like we did Liverpool's we'd have scared them shitless.

We created some fabulous positions on the break and wasted every single one of them with poor choices or poor delivery. I can't remember a game recently, where we had so many 1v1's and didn't score a single one.

Until Sandro came on we were second best all over the pitch to a very ordinary and make shift looking Arsenal side. Second to every ball, second in work rate and movement, second in moving the ball around.

We humped more long balls than short ones, and were so open at times it was scary. It was really only Parker, Kaboul and King holding us together.

And I lost count of the times players found themselves in possession with no-one giving them an option and having to twist and turn as Arsenal players pack hunted them down and took the ball or forced errors. Really poor.

Then Sandro came on and for the first time in the game we didn't look like a poor team. Leaving Defoe on still left us a footballer light but at least it was now 3 v 5 in midfield instead of 2. Gradually we started stringing more than 2 passes together occasionally and by the time all the subs were made (which still amazingly left Defoe on the pitch) we had actually managed to get a foothold in the game.

I guess it's greedy to want performance and result, but I honestly believe we were capable of it with the team we have against the team they have.

Ratings:

Friedel 7 - OK, if Arsenal could shoot they'd be dangerous.

Walker 7.5 - His most competent performance to date, crowned with a pile driver.

Kaboul 7.5 - Outstanding today bar the moment when VP skanked him.

King 7.5 - As above.

Ekotto 6 - Worked hard and gets flimsy fucking help from Bale but also gave the ball away a lot.

VDV 6.5 - Played out of position against the worst opposition to be played out of position. Showed what he can do when played in the right place when he scored, unfortunately Redknapp's tactics cost us that pleasure more often. Took his goal superbly, but also took a stupid booking.

Modric 5.5 - Very poor. 31 passes is about half his average. But again, this was partly because Redknapp effectively pitted him and Parker against 5 players.

Parker 7.75 - Saw more ball then Modric, worked his little legs off. My MOTM.

Bale 6.5 - Really hard to mark today. Going forward looked good at times and did play a couple of good balls, but also wasted 3/4 great positions and missed completely with a 1v1. Defensively piss poor at times. Lilly livered, half arsed efforts to close down and help Ekotto.

Adebayor 6.5 - Below the par of recent performances I thought. Again, not helped by the tactics, which in turn hampered performances elsewhere, but there were a few times I thought he could have done better. Didn't think his movement was as good today. Even on a bad day manages to set up a goal with a delightful bit of vision.

Defoe 6 - marks for hard work.

Redknapp 3 - see above. if you can't be good, be lucky eh.

Good post very much agree with nearly all of it. Dont remember us outplaying Arsenal that often in 80's the teams were very evenly matched

Remember getting walloped 5-0 at the lane in 78, when Brady and Rix ripped us apart.

Back to todays game, couldnt have articulated my thoughts on Redknap and his idiotic tactics any better, but who cares we won
 

hughy

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Nov 18, 2007
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Redknapp made 2 very good substitutions. We weren't conceding as soon as Sandro and Jakey came on.
 

haxman

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Jan 14, 2007
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Redknapp made 2 very good substitutions. We weren't conceding as soon as Sandro and Jakey came on.

He did, eventually, but it took him so long to react to what was happening in the game. We could all see that we were being over-ran in midfield and needed to match them in numbers in there. Which is why I agree with what BC said.
 

jonnyp

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Jun 11, 2006
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Friedel - 7 - Didn't have much to do but dealt well with everything else.

Ekotto - 7 - Thought he played well but his passing wasn't very good today
Kaboul - 7 - Should've done better for their goal but otherwise very good display
King - 8 - Calm and assured performance that we come to expect.
Walker - 7.5 - Great goal, but most of the danger to our goal came from his side, obviously not helped by VdV not helping out enough.

Bale - 7 - Should've scored, should've had an assist or two from Ade and Jermain today. Some very good runs that destroyed Jenkinson but iffy tracking back at times.
Modric - 6 - Not at his best today
Parker - 9 - Immense. Was everywhere as usual, ran his socks off. Should've done better with his chance in the first half though.
VdV - 7 - Fantastic goal but can't play right wing against stronger sides, it destroys our balance completely.

Defoe - 7 - Very lively, good hold up play.
Ade - 6 - A little poor today. Don't think he won enough headers or got involved enough. And he should've scored his chance.

Sandro - 7 - Brought balance to our midfield.
Livermore - 6 - Didn't have much time to do much but helped make sure they saw less ball in the middle.
 

Legend10

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Jul 8, 2006
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There's no wat that Adebayor was better or more effective than Defoe today. Adebayor played like he didn't want to upset anybody whereas Defoe's all round performance and teamwork was very good. Adebayor might have clipped the pass for VDV to score but it was Defoe who turned and ran at the defence to put them in trouble in the first place and his run that took Mertesacker away from VDV which was at least as crucial as Adebayor's pass!

If Harry had taken anybody off other than a clearly struggling VDV I would really have thought he was losing the plot.

Kaboul and King had monster performances and ended up giving Friedel quite little to do.

Parker was excellent and Modders has had better days.

Both FB's done well and great for young Kyle to score the winner in his first NLD.

NLD are about winning and that's all that counts, 3 points in the bag with the Arse scalped in the process so onwards and upwards!
 

kcmei

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Friedel - 6 - Nothing to do

Walker - 8 - Worked hard down the flank with vdv not helping much. Scored a nice goal.

Kaboul - 7 - Good aerially generally good apart from being skinned by rvp

King - 8 - Another game, another win

BAE - 7.5 - Had a good game, kept walcott quiet, not that he had to try very hard

VdV - 7.5 - Really cannot run much compared to other players, lucky that he has skillz

Modric - 7 - Got caught on the ball a few times but made some nice chances also. Was hard because was outnumbered in midfield.

Parker - 8 - Was everywhere !! But sometimes dwell on the ball a little bit too long

Bale - 7 - No one can match him for pace on the ball. Missed a sitter.

Defoe - 7.5 - Thought he did quite well and his game is now relying more on strength. Care must be taken to blend it with pace.

Ade - 7.5 - Good game and made the most of what was presented to him except for that 1-on-1. Worked very hard chasing down lost causes
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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You'd think we'd lost.

Jeez.

We won.against arsenal.it can't have been bad.....

No BC is spot on here, make no mistake they dominated us in the first half and if they had more cutting edge they would of won today given our set up. The frustrating thing here is had we set up the way we did against Wigan I doubt we would of conceded and the pattern of the game would of been a lot more comfortable.

I said in the build up to this game, with the 'team style' for Arsenal thread, that 4-4-2 was fine against Pool, we were matching them up but not against Arsenal as they would out number us in there and that is exactly what happened, hardly rocket science but nevertheless.

I was screaming for Harry to change it and bring on Sandro. I was actually stunned that he didn't make the change at half time, really astonished.

We got a bit lucky and yes we were the better team when Sandro come on and should of gone on to win comfortably but the first 60 mins tell a totally different story.

I know we won, and we should enjoy it, but I just want Harry to use the tools at his disposal in the best possible way. In short our set up today nearly cost us the game and I have a feeling Harry intends to go 4-4-2 at home and 4-2-3-1 away, he has to be more cute than that IMO and consider who the opposition are. 4-4-2 wasn't the way to go against Arsenal and I hope he realises that.
 

haxman

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would have should have could have

Bad grammar gets on my tits.
 

kernowspur

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Nov 1, 2004
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BC is right about Harry, he got the team selection wrong as he has done before against Arsenal. His post-game comments almost admit it, it is as if he underestimates opponents and thinks as long as we attack we shall win. He was agood 10-15 minutes late in bringing on Sandro. Parker was totally spent when substituted as he had to do so much covering because of the team Harry put out.
Today we made hard work of beating a poor Arsenal team.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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I thought Modric was pretty poor for much of the game.

Parker was fantastic, but for me King was man of the match. Typically stunning performance.

Aside from the Citeh debacle, that was possibly the least affective I have seen Modric in years.

Redknapp should have started with Sadnro/parker in the middle, and definitely should have made this change during the break, but can't help but feel the criticism of Redknapp by OP (yeah, that's you, BC) is a bit over the top.

Otherwise I would largely agree with BC's ratings and assessment - though we did start off harry and pressing the ball, and the Goons were massively uncomfortable and looked close to imploding; and I would give BAE at least a 7, possibly 7.5 (BC, notoriously harsh in judging players he already has a disliking too).
 

EJWTartanSpur

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I agree with the essence of the original point, if not at all feeling the need to worry about it all right now.

In my mind, before the game, 4-2-3-1 was the way to go. With Sandro/Parker/Modric we would've been able to dominate their central midfield trio and get Modric on the ball far more often. Furthermore, this would also have meant that Bale VDV and Ade would've been able to choose where they went, and what spaces they wanted to occupy, instead of having that dictated to them, by being forced into tracking players.

The first half went exactly as I feared, basically, on those terms.

Do I give a jot right now or am I bothered by Harry ? No. I fully expect us to start using the 4-2-3-1 on a far more regular basis, Sandro in for JD, I just think Harry fancied playing with 2 upfront today because he sensed Arsenal were weak at the back, even if he somehow didn't foresee that they would control the middle area, and render having the extra striker as pointless.

The 4-2-3-1 might not have as many 'strikers', but I reckon our pressure would've been more constant, with the extra possession, and it would've caved them in.

Despite me thinking that JD shouldn't have started, I thought he worked his arse off today and put in a very lively shift with some decent runs with the ball too boot.

Over the moon today !!
 

beats1

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No BC is spot on here, make no mistake they dominated us in the first half and if they had more cutting edge they would of won today given our set up. The frustrating thing here is had we set up the way we did against Wigan I doubt we would of conceded and the pattern of the game would of been a lot more comfortable.

I said in the build up to this game, with the 'team style' for Arsenal thread, that 4-4-2 was fine against Pool, we were matching them up but not against Arsenal as they would out number us in there and that is exactly what happened, hardly rocket science but nevertheless.

I was screaming for Harry to change it and bring on Sandro. I was actually stunned that he didn't make the change at half time, really astonished.

We got a bit lucky and yes we were the better team when Sandro come on and should of gone on to win comfortably but the first 60 mins tell a totally different story.

I know we won, and we should enjoy it, but I just want Harry to use the tools at his disposal in the best possible way. In short our set up today nearly cost us the game and I have a feeling Harry intends to go 4-4-2 at home and 4-2-3-1 away, he has to be more cute than that IMO and consider who the opposition are. 4-4-2 wasn't the way to go against Arsenal and I hope he realises that.

I disagree I think the problem wasn't the formation but more so the lack of passing, i mean the passing in the first half was shocking, defoe was playing deep so it was like a 4-2-3-1, the passing from VDV and modric was the worst i have seen by them
 
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