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THFCSPURS19

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#41
A game of two halves

Owen Hargreaves sounds like the cliché vomiting love child of Alan Shearer and the Queen of Duisburg, so I was quite surprised that he failed to spot the most obvious one of the night.

I actually thought the team selection was pretty logical and a good balance of the right players were rested and the right choices made to replace them.

And we came out of the traps all bright eyed and bushy tailed, aided and readily abetted by a Fiorentina side who were tactically woeful for the first 45 minutes. Unfortunately the second string understudies are even more wasteful than the fist teamers and failed abysmally to capitalise on Fiorentina's benevolent mood. They also don't work anywhere near as hard or as coherently without the ball as the first teamers they replaced had done recently and as a result the game become very open and we were lucky that more punishment wasn't dished out in the end.

This was the problem, not that they got organised or we ran out of ideas, but we didn't do to them what we'd done to Arsenal or LIverpool. We didn't throttle them. Soldado, Townsend, Chadli and Paulinho just don't press and harass like their first team counter parts and as a result tempo faded and our play became predictable, they came at us, fuck it up on our 25 yard line, we go at them, fuck it up on their 25 yard line. And so the second half petered out.

Townsend had yet another one of those eye catching games where he wheels out his full repertoire of step overs, flicks and jinks, sees plenty of ball, gets himself into numerous great positions and delivers almost nothing of tangible quality. If this boy could get his fucking head up and just deliver something with even 50% of the situations he has the chance to, he'd be a really useful player. I'm sure there'll be plenty bedazzled by his jinky flickery into giving him a MOTM. He's now played 73 times for us, 183 in his career. Surely it's time he delivered something of discernible quality. I could forgive him more if he worked off the ball to win it back but he's averse to defensive work and tackling. Enough with the smoke and mirrors now, needs to pull a fucking rabbit out of the hat more often.

For the record, Eriksen was even more disappointing on the night, wasting various situations with limp attempts at incisiveness and carelessly giving the ball away a few times.

Vertonghen was the stand out player, fucking loved his little stud roll in amongst 3 players. Atoubaesque. Bentaleb was damn good for most of it. Everyone else had a bright first 20 minutes but got steadily more insipid in ever decreasing circles.

I don't think the subs were as bad as some made out, but none had the required effect and I don't think going 442/4411 with Kane deeper is a great idea. Lamela was piss poor, but he was only on for 17 minutes

Individuality:

Lloris - OK

Arbi (the anti Ibra) - I think he had a pretty decent game but how many times does he get laid a ball that he could cross first time but because he doesn't trust his technique he stops and rolls it then the moment is lost and he ends up dripping it back inside. The one time he hit a first time cross it nearly got us a goal.

Dawsonazio - Somewhere between OK and iffy.

Vertonghen - Classy.

Davies - Has his moments, but they are few and far between, the rest of the time he's pretty meh.

Mehlinho - Started ok, the mehometer was off the scale by the time he came off

Bentaleb - Very good for the most part. Liked that he bollocked Walker for not crossing the ball.

Townsend - I dig that he tries so hard to get on the ball and do his thang, but has a player's tomfoolery ever promised so much and delivered so little of actual...you know….stuff.

Chadli - mainly meh with patches of OK.

Soldado - Like others, started bright like a fucking samelar hound, finished dim like unsamelar hound.
You forgot Eriksen.
 

camaj

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#42
I don't see how so many people have voted for Townsend for MOTM compared to Soldado. Soldado scored one and almost scored another and set up another great chance or two yet Townsend who didn't create anything is currently leading him by 11 votes. I'd understand if Townsend was whipping some crosses in that Soldado was wasting but I think the phrase "flatters to deceive" is appropriate here. Townsend is fast and can beat players which makes it even more frustrating when the best we get from it is a corner
 

Qualsonic

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#43
I only caught the last 5 or 6 minutes, the only thing I picked up was the crowd groaning whenever lamela miscontrolled or gave a loose ball.
 
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#44
Townsend - MoM
Walker - excellent
Paulinho/davies/verts - very good (verts has got his 'cool' back...so nice to see)
Everyone else - great job.
Bobby - :love:...always.

We should have been 3/4 -0 up in the first half, didn't expect that starting 11 but poch revved them up and they went...just should have had more goals.

Poch will work on us being more clinical.

Great game to watch; we have our spurs back (and then some).

Many happy days await us.
 

sparx100

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#45
Bentaleb was my motm closely followed by Vertonghen.
Paulinho does not work in a midfield 2.
Townsend and walker had lots of space but created the square root of fuck all.
Should have buried them, now we have a tricky selection before the cup final.........


Paulinho should not play again.
 

fortworthspur

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#46
I know when I come here after anything other than a win and Paulinho will be "dreadful" and Bentalab/Mason will be "commanding" and "beastly".

Very Good - Townshend (1st half) and Verts
Good - Paulinho, Lloris, Walker, Fazio, Soldado
Meh - Bentalab, Davies, Ericksen
Poor- Chadli
 

Strikeb4ck

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Bentaleb, Davies and Verts good.

Soldado, Walker, Hugo decentish.

Eriksen, Chadli, Townsend. Zero end product.

Paulinho and Fazio. Very poor.

Kane was alright. Mason net. Lamela bloody awful.
What on Earth? How was Fazio poor? Didn't give Gomez a sniff all night but for one wild swing over the crossbar on his weak foot.
 

Strikeb4ck

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I know when I come here after anything other than a draw and Paulinho will be "dreadful" and Bentalab/Mason will be "commanding" and "beastly".

Very Good - Townshend (1st half) and Verts
Good - Paulinho, Lloris, Walker, Fazio, Soldado
Meh - Bentalab, Davies, Ericksen
Poor- Chadli
You mean to tell me you watched that match with functioning human eyes and post that not only was Bentaleb "meh" but Paulinho was better than him?
 

fortworthspur

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#50
keep in mind they had different responsibilities. Pauli largely fulfilled his, as did Bents for that matter, but Bents wasted a lot of passes. And go back and tell me WTF he was doing when Salah had a glorious chance to win it late.
 

mano-obe

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#51
I am going to disagree with a few with Eriksen. Second half I agree he was poor but so was a lot of the team. First half he set one up for Chadli and Soldado who miscontrols it, he was actually spraying the ball around pretty well, especially the inviting balls for Andros to run onto rather than a sideways pass, there was a few stray passes but other players not being on the same wavelength either.

Bentaleb was excellent and for me MOTM. I thought Andros played really well too, the only downside is that if he could assist or score he would be an absolute gem, he needs to work on that more as he has so much ability.
 

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#52
A lot of overreaction in here. We played well, should have sewn up the game before they equalised and still had the majority of chances even after we dipped.

Lloris was unlucky on the goal.

Walker skinned their left back constantjy, played a few good crosses and wasn't troubled defensively.

Fazio was okay but his mere presence invited teams onto us in a way that doesn't happen with pacier Dier playing.

Vertonghen made some great tackles and blocks and played some lovely passes.

Davies was very good and of the fringe players did the most to put himself in contention for Sunday.

Paulinho was beyond dreadful. Cowardly performance lacking in any drive or responsibility, slowing us down constantly.

Bentaleb was okay, he started quite well but deteriorated towards the end.

Townsend was threatening and played a fair few good balls, linked well with Walker and tormented thejr defence. Might have earnt a start on Sunday in light of how poor Lamela looked.

Eriksen was terrible, he's been off the boil for a couple of games in fact and today nothing went for him.

Chadli had a couple of nice moments but I'd really have expected to put away his golden chance after Soldado's header was saved.

Soldado scored a superb goal, played some amazing through balls and controlled the ball very well, working hard too. Deserved another goal at least from one of his other great attempts (flick header/ bycicle kick).

Mason and Kane both tried to drag us forward but the malaise was overwhelming by then.

Lamela was horrendous, truly horrendous.
understood overall but bentaleb just ok?
 

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#53
I thought that Townshend (especially 1st half) and Verts were good (both 7.5). Benteleb was the most active but had a fair few moments of ball watching (7). I didnt think that Paulinho, Lloris, Walker, Fazio, Soldado were that bad (6.5). They just didnt have the consistency and drive to put Fiorentina to the sword. Chadli had some bright moments and should have got on the scoresheet (6).I though Davies was mostly meh (5).

Eriksen was 93 minutes of dross. What's happened to the lad (2)?
 

pablo73

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#58
Townsend - MoM
Walker - excellent
Paulinho/davies/verts - very good (verts has got his 'cool' back...so nice to see)
Everyone else - great job.
Bobby - :love:...always.

We should have been 3/4 -0 up in the first half, didn't expect that starting 11 but poch revved them up and they went...just should have had more goals.

Poch will work on us being more clinical.

Great game to watch; we have our spurs back (and then some).

Many happy days await us.
I think that is being generous to Paulinho and Townsend to say the least. Paulinho did his usual disappearing act and Townsend looked lively while still creating the square root of fuck all, as always.
 

stemark44

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#59
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A game of two halves

Owen Hargreaves sounds like the cliché vomiting love child of Alan Shearer and the Queen of Duisburg, so I was quite surprised that he failed to spot the most obvious one of the night.

I actually thought the team selection was pretty logical and a good balance of the right players were rested and the right choices made to replace them.

And we came out of the traps all bright eyed and bushy tailed, aided and readily abetted by a Fiorentina side who were tactically woeful for the first 45 minutes. Unfortunately the second string understudies are even more wasteful than the fist teamers and failed abysmally to capitalise on Fiorentina's benevolent mood. They also don't work anywhere near as hard or as coherently without the ball as the first teamers they replaced had done recently and as a result the game become very open and we were lucky that more punishment wasn't dished out in the end.

This was the problem, not that they got organised or we ran out of ideas, but we didn't do to them what we'd done to Arsenal or LIverpool. We didn't throttle them. Soldado, Townsend, Chadli and Paulinho just don't press and harass like their first team counter parts and as a result tempo faded and our play became predictable, they came at us, fuck it up on our 25 yard line, we go at them, fuck it up on their 25 yard line. And so the second half petered out.

Townsend had yet another one of those eye catching games where he wheels out his full repertoire of step overs, flicks and jinks, sees plenty of ball, gets himself into numerous great positions and delivers almost nothing of tangible quality. If this boy could get his fucking head up and just deliver something with even 50% of the situations he has the chance to, he'd be a really useful player. I'm sure there'll be plenty bedazzled by his jinky flickery into giving him a MOTM. He's now played 73 times for us, 183 in his career. Surely it's time he delivered something of discernible quality. I could forgive him more if he worked off the ball to win it back but he's averse to defensive work and tackling. Enough with the smoke and mirrors now, needs to pull a fucking rabbit out of the hat more often.

For the record, Eriksen was even more disappointing on the night, wasting various situations with limp attempts at incisiveness and carelessly giving the ball away a few times.

Vertonghen was the stand out player, fucking loved his little stud roll in amongst 3 players. Atoubaesque. Bentaleb was damn good for most of it. Everyone else had a bright first 20 minutes but got steadily more insipid in ever decreasing circles.

I don't think the subs were as bad as some made out, but none had the required effect and I don't think going 442/4411 with Kane deeper is a great idea. Lamela was piss poor, but he was only on for 17 minutes

Individuality:

Lloris - OK

Arbi (the anti Ibra) - I think he had a pretty decent game but how many times does he get laid a ball that he could cross first time but because he doesn't trust his technique he stops and rolls it then the moment is lost and he ends up dripping it back inside. The one time he hit a first time cross it nearly got us a goal.

Dawsonazio - Somewhere between OK and iffy.

Vertonghen - Classy.

Davies - Has his moments, but they are few and far between, the rest of the time he's pretty meh.

Mehlinho - Started ok, the mehometer was off the scale by the time he came off

Bentaleb - Very good for the most part. Liked that he bollocked Walker for not crossing the ball.

Townsend - I dig that he tries so hard to get on the ball and do his thang, but has a player's tomfoolery ever promised so much and delivered so little of actual...you know….stuff.

Eriksen - Very poor game. Careless with the ball a few times. I'm loving his work rate and ability to whack a ball from the D but for a guy with his ability and brain his inability to create at crucial moments is a little disappointing this season.

Chadli - mainly meh with patches of OK.

Soldado - Like others, started bright like a fucking samelar hound, finished dim like unsamelar hound.
Very difficult for Townsend to deliver very much of note when as you rightly pointed out,the players supporting him were all pretty poor.
We needed Kane playing as our main striker from the start and we might not be sitting in such a precarious position now.
 

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#60
Bentaleb was my motm closely followed by Vertonghen.
Paulinho does not work in a midfield 2.
Townsend and walker had lots of space but created the square root of fuck all.
Should have buried them, now we have a tricky selection before the cup final.........


Paulinho should not play again.
Or Paulinho does not work period.
 
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