Ratings V Fulham

[Chris12]

Thought Lloris was very good..
Walker, Chiriches were also good along with Sandro
Lamela started growing in the game and thought Lennon did well on the right hand side
Holtby was looking for stuff when came on even though a lot not come off

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

10s all round. It's a celebration.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

MOM- Bus-Conductor for his judgment on Dawson and Neil Ashton for deleting his anti-AVB article at full time

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I would just like to post these ratings from the Daily Mail
Tottenham: Lloris 7; Walker 6, Dawson 6, Chiriches 6, Vertonghen 6; Capoue 6 (Holtby 46mins 6), Sandro 6 (Chadli 69'); Lamela 6 (Townsend 78'), Paulinho 7, Lennon 6; Defoe 7

Seriously WTF
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-strikes-Chiriches-Holtby.html#ixzz2mYCMied8
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[CowInAComa]

Walker is on fire. Great player.

Lloris must get it though.

 

[L-man]

I would just like to post these ratings from the Daily Mail
Tottenham: Lloris 7; Walker 6, Dawson 6, Chiriches 6, Vertonghen 6; Capoue 6 (Holtby 46mins 6), Sandro 6 (Chadli 69'); Lamela 6 (Townsend 78'), Paulinho 7, Lennon 6; Defoe 7

Seriously WTF
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-strikes-Chiriches-Holtby.html#ixzz2mYCMied8
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Obviously the reporter didn't see the game.

"Give 6s all round, heard Lloris made a good save - 7. Defoe is the greatest finisher England have ever produced, lets big him up a little bit - 7. Need to chuck in another 7 somewhere as Spurs won, eeny meeny miny mo, Paulinho 7."

 

[gp13tot]

Lloris 9

Walker 9
Dawson 4
Vlad 7
Verts 5

Sandro 6
Paulinho 6.5
Capoue 4
Lamela 6
Lennon 7

Defoe 6

Holtby 7
Chadli 2
Townsend 5

 

[Chris12]

AVB on Holtby "He loves Tottenham, loves to be here and I think that shows every time he steps onto the pitch."

 

[SpursSince1980]

Lloris - 8 (MOM)

Walker - 7
Dawson - 6
Chriches - 7
Verts - 5

Lennon - 6
Capoe - 6
Sandro - 6
Pauly - 5
Lamela - 6

Defoe - 5

Holtby - 7
Town - 6
Chadli - 5

Let's face it.... we weren't very good tonight. Twin Beast Mode is cool and all, but should be reserved for those tricky away games against the other 'contenders'.

Pauly looked utterly exhausted. Not sure what AVB is seeing. Clearly not the same as the rest of us. I would like to see him try Holtby CM. Think it might be a good fit.

I feel some are being a bit harsh on Daws. Yes, he made a couple of strange mistakes. But he also defended well at times too.

 

[jonnyp]

Lloris 9.5
Walker 7
Dawson 5
Chiriches 7
Vertonghen 6
Sandro 6.5
Capoue 6
Paulinho 5.5
Lennon 6.5
Lamela 5
Defoe 4

Subs
Holtby 6
Chadli 5
Townsend 5.5

 

[spursandbarca]

Lloris 9- 3 unreal saves
Walker 8- Got forward. Solid..
Dawson 5- At Fault for goal, almost gifted them another when ran into Lloris.
Chiriches 8- Great finish. Solid defensively
Vertonghen 6- Glad when hes back in middle with Vlad.
Lennon 7- Better. Helps Walker on that side.
Paulinho 5- missed a sitter and Lennon had a tap in if he squared to him
Capoue 5- Not match fit and off the pace
Sandro 7- Beast.
Lamela 7- Better. drifted 2nd half. Needs a regular run of games
Defoe 6- worked hard. One decent chance in 1st half, missed a sitter in 2nd.


Holtby 7- Changed things. well taken goal
Townsend 7- Did well helped counter when Fulham were chasing game.
Chadli 4- anonymous

 

[ultimateloner]

I dont think we were good at all.

 

[The Apprentice]

Really pleased with the heart and commitment from the lads. We can criticise all we like about tactics, personnel and AVB (some warranted), but you can't doubt the players effort. It shows character to turn it around like that.

Lloris was exceptional and Walker is finding his form from two years ago. Really chuffed for Holtby, you can tell he loves spurs..

Vlad gets better every game.

Dawson's suicidal pass nearly cost us but he was fine aside from that. Thought Defoe was really poor.

Keep believeing and supporting.

 

[kremlyn]

We went to Fulham and played a few second string players and continued our "experiment" with orthodox wingers. There wasn't much cohesion but there were glimpses again. We controlled possession for the most part and broke them when we had to. I enjoyed it, personally. I still see us as a squad learning the system - for me they did alright. Two things I noticed:

1. Defoe - I totally get it BC. He is worse than awful. It is the abject failure to make any meaningful runs or provide an option of any kind that mark him out as dead meat in January. The only time he seemed to know what to do or where to be was when lennon got to the byline and cut it back. He's seen that move a million times and reacts but was nothing and nowhere at all other times.

2. Vlad - Is the coolest central defender alive. He actually mocks the players he faces with his skill which is surely a forwards mentality? I wish he'd come and celebrated his goal with us when he scored but I suspect he's a little removed as he knows he's going to end up at Real Madrid. Utter class and in total control. Don't understand those who find him risky..

 

[Tit&Ham]

I know it's like swearing in a church, but I think it's time to realize that Verthongen is definitely NOT a left back. And quite frankly, I'm a bit sick of his attitude week after week. Looks like he doesn't care. Tonight I felt he was awful, but I had a lot of negative emotions the first hour

Lloris - 9.5, would have gotten 10 with a clean sheet

Walker - 7, good game, still a bit to go on decision-making and he should cross with purpose rather than just whip it in.
Daws - 5, Simply not good enough. Berba won every header. He is a fantastic guy, but not good enough.
Chiri - 7.5, Great goal, good composure, needs a companion a la Kaboul
Verthongen, 4, atm I'm not sure I want him at CB either

Sandro - 6.5, Did ok, our most consistent midfielder
Capoue - 6, Not a poor display, but good decision by AVB.

Lamela - 7, I was very positively surprised. Created a lot in the first half and did some dirty work as well.
Lennon - 6.5, I'm starting to feel he is important to us. Very solid and has the speed.
Paul - 6, Not as bad as many claims, he came to several really good oppertunities. Isn't that what we have been missing. He'll start slotting them home.

Defoe - 5.5, Thought he was good and lively the first minutes. Then it went all downhill and very poor not to score at 1-1.

Happydays!! Now taake 3 at Sunderland and Loserpool and we're there!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Here's the good news; we're definitely not a one man team. The bad news is none of the players we have now look like ever being one.

My stream was fucking me about for the first 15-20 minutes, so waited to watch FF as well to try and catch whatever I missed from that first 20 minutes.

That was always going to be tougher in reality than on paper, Fulham were bang up for it, have some decent individuals and worked harder than I've seen of them recently (haven't seen loads to be fair) and once Dawson had fucked them up a goal they had something to fight even harder for.

So it is to the credit of the spirit instilled in this group, and it is very much a group, not one or two individuals, that we kept going and dug out a very valuable win.

We can - and will - moan about various facets of AVB's tenure, but one thing his Spurs have rarely lacked is spirit and stamina under him. And under pressure we have generally dug out results.

Speaking of moaning, I think if there is a weakness, and it was something I mentioned when AVB was at Chelsea, it is in his continually odd tactical personnel decisions. I don't think he was ruthless enough at Chelsea at times, to implement his own methodology that is. And there's elements of this here. Dawson is costing us plenty, I highlighted this for the billionth time last game, and sure enough he cost us again tonight. You can forgive mistakes when the player is giving you benefits elsewhere, Dawson is so limited that mistakes put him heavily in debit. I know AVB's hands have been a bit tied by injuries to other CB's and LB's (and now Vertonghen's injured) but he's got to get wise and ruthless and fucking soon where Dawson is concerned. Very much not the future.

Lennon continues to basically produce the square root of knish. Lots of flitting aroundness, very little actual foot on the ball, head out of arse, take care to find someone in position to scoredness. And we already have Walker for this. We really need a player who can use his brain too as an attacker. Those that say he helps his full back are exaggerating his help. He runs toward the opponent or along with an opponent, but never meaningfully enough and never with real intent of causing them actual interference. Lamela is clearly taking time to acclimatise, settle in and look his confident best (whatever that is) but AVB needs to decide who is the future and here's clue, it's not fucking Lennon. And AVb needs to man the fuck up and decide that if he's going to lose his job it might as well be doing it his way than some compromise to appease dressing room and fans etc.

An example of Lennon's stupidity is in the second half ball is cleared high from our box, and instead of controlling it while he had the time and space he decides that it's a good idea for a 4ft player to let it bounce and compete in the air with a 6ft cb. Defoe's as bad. His movement is atrocious. At one point Vertonghen had the ball attacking and Defoe just stood behind a player looking at him. Why not fucking move so he can pass to you, you stupid fuckwit ?

Last year we had fucking Dempsey playing, this season we are getting Paulinho in the hole, Dawson digging us into holes and Lennon and Defoe (and Townsend) with holes where there brains should be.

It's good to rotate sometimes but AVB is making too many changes too often and it is really hard to see the logic in some of them. We need a modicum more stability personnel wise and AVB needs to decide what he wants, how he wants us to play and be a bit more certain and show faith in that certainty. We need a little more continuity I think.

I appreciate that we have virtually replaced a whole team in just over a year, and many are acclimatising and and at a delicate stage in their development, AVB is having to cope with this while getting results. But some of his selections have been counter intuitive, at least to me anyway.

Coaching wise we need to get back to pressing better again. Hard to tell on the telly, but are we playing a smidgen deeper or is that just the way the games have panned out ? Is that tactical or accidental ? Or my imagination ?


Individual stuff:

Lloris - Outstanding.

Walker - His set pieces are generally woeful, but his performance was solid tonight. Still the bias tilts more toward enthusiasm and energy than composure and actual creative product, which must surely be part of his remit, but no clusterfucks is progress.

Dawson - It's getting embarrassing.

Chiriches - Great goal, decent enough game.

Vertonghen - Ok.

Sandro - OK

Capoue - OK

Lennon - Lennon

Paulinho - Worked hard but must do better with great chances.

Lamela - Got more involved as the game went on. Personally would have left him on.

Defoe - wasted his best chance. Was mostly Defoe otherwise.

Holtby - Worked hard when he came on, scored a great goal. Whacks the ball too hard when he passes it to people sometimes.

 

[Cravenspurs]

Lamela looked bright and honestly thought his best runs came from the left. When we get width we create so much more.

Paul has looked nothing like the Lampard he was mentioned to be like. I would drop him and play a more creative type with our forward.

Sandro is a first team player no matter what. He is just a brilliant player.

 

[Vulcan10]

Here's the good news; we're definitely not a one man team. The bad news is none of the players we have now look like ever being one.

My stream was fucking me about for the first 15-20 minutes, so waited to watch FF as well to try and catch whatever I missed from that first 20 minutes.

That was always going to be tougher in reality than on paper, Fulham were bang up for it, have some decent individuals and worked harder than I've seen of them recently (haven't seen loads to be fair) and once Dawson had fucked them up a goal they had something to fight even harder for.

So it is to the credit of the spirit instilled in this group, and it is very much a group, not one or two individuals, that we kept going and dug out a very valuable win.

We can - and will - moan about various facets of AVB's tenure, but one thing his Spurs have rarely lacked is spirit and stamina under him. And under pressure we have generally dug out results.

Speaking of moaning, I think if there is a weakness, and it was something I mentioned when AVB was at Chelsea, it is in his continually odd tactical personnel decisions. I don't think he was ruthless enough at Chelsea at times, to implement his own methodology that is. And there's elements of this here. Dawson is costing us plenty, I highlighted this for the billionth time last game, and sure enough he cost us again tonight. You can forgive mistakes when the player is giving you benefits elsewhere, Dawson is so limited that mistakes put him heavily in debit. I know AVB's hands have been a bit tied by injuries to other CB's and LB's (and now Vertonghen's injured) but he's got to get wise and ruthless and fucking soon where Dawson is concerned. Very much not the future.

Lennon continues to basically produce the square root of knish. Lots of flitting aroundness, very little actual foot on the ball, head out of arse, take care to find someone in position to scoredness. And we already have Walker for this. We really need a player who can use his brain too as an attacker. Those that say he helps his full back are exaggerating his help. He runs toward the opponent or along with an opponent, but never meaningfully enough and never with real intent of causing them actual interference. Lamela is clearly taking time to acclimatise, settle in and look his confident best (whatever that is) but AVB needs to decide who is the future and here's clue, it's not fucking Lennon. And AVb needs to man the fuck up and decide that if he's going to lose his job it might as well be doing it his way than some compromise to appease dressing room and fans etc.

An example of Lennon's stupidity is in the second half ball is cleared high from our box, and instead of controlling it while he had the time and space he decides that it's a good idea for a 4ft player to let it bounce and compete in the air with a 6ft cb. Defoe's as bad. His movement is atrocious. At one point Vertonghen had the ball attacking and Defoe just stood behind a player looking at him. Why not fucking move so he can pass to you, you stupid fuckwit ?

Last year we had fucking Dempsey playing, this season we are getting Paulinho in the hole, Dawson digging us into holes and Lennon and Defoe (and Townsend) with holes where there brains should be.

It's good to rotate sometimes but AVB is making too many changes too often and it is really hard to see the logic in some of them. We need a modicum more stability personnel wise and AVB needs to decide what he wants, how he wants us to play and be a bit more certain and show faith in that certainty. We need a little more continuity I think.

I appreciate that we have virtually replaced a whole team in just over a year, and many are acclimatising and and at a delicate stage in their development, AVB is having to cope with this while getting results. But some of his selections have been counter intuitive, at least to me anyway.

Coaching wise we need to get back to pressing better again. Hard to tell on the telly, but are we playing a smidgen deeper or is that just the way the games have panned out ? Is that tactical or accidental ? Or my imagination ?


Individual stuff:

Lloris - Outstanding.

Walker - His set pieces are generally woeful, but his performance was solid tonight. Still the bias tilts more toward enthusiasm and energy than composure and actual creative product, which must surely be part of his remit, but no clusterfucks is progress.

Dawson - It's getting embarrassing.

Chiriches - Great goal, decent enough game.

Vertonghen - Ok.

Sandro - OK

Capoue - OK

Lennon - Lennon

Paulinho - Worked hard but must do better with great chances.

Lamela - Got more involved as the game went on. Personally would have left him on.

Defoe - wasted his best chance. Was mostly Defoe otherwise.

Holtby - Worked hard when he came on, scored a great goal. Whacks the ball too hard when he passes it to people sometimes.

I can't say I agree with all of your points but you did make me chuckle a few times so good post my friend. Surely there has to be some humour amongst all the worry or what is the point. Especially when we win.

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

Lloris - 8

Walker - 8
Dawson - 4
Chiriches - 8
Vertonghen - 5

Sandro - 6
Capoue - 6

Lennon - 7
Paulinho - 5
Lamela - 7

Defoe - 5

Holtby - 7
Townsend - 5
Chadli - 5

 

[markieboy]

Here's the good news; we're definitely not a one man team. The bad news is none of the players we have now look like ever being one.

My stream was fucking me about for the first 15-20 minutes, so waited to watch FF as well to try and catch whatever I missed from that first 20 minutes.

That was always going to be tougher in reality than on paper, Fulham were bang up for it, have some decent individuals and worked harder than I've seen of them recently (haven't seen loads to be fair) and once Dawson had fucked them up a goal they had something to fight even harder for.

So it is to the credit of the spirit instilled in this group, and it is very much a group, not one or two individuals, that we kept going and dug out a very valuable win.

We can - and will - moan about various facets of AVB's tenure, but one thing his Spurs have rarely lacked is spirit and stamina under him. And under pressure we have generally dug out results.

Speaking of moaning, I think if there is a weakness, and it was something I mentioned when AVB was at Chelsea, it is in his continually odd tactical personnel decisions. I don't think he was ruthless enough at Chelsea at times, to implement his own methodology that is. And there's elements of this here. Dawson is costing us plenty, I highlighted this for the billionth time last game, and sure enough he cost us again tonight. You can forgive mistakes when the player is giving you benefits elsewhere, Dawson is so limited that mistakes put him heavily in debit. I know AVB's hands have been a bit tied by injuries to other CB's and LB's (and now Vertonghen's injured) but he's got to get wise and ruthless and fucking soon where Dawson is concerned. Very much not the future.

Lennon continues to basically produce the square root of knish. Lots of flitting aroundness, very little actual foot on the ball, head out of arse, take care to find someone in position to scoredness. And we already have Walker for this. We really need a player who can use his brain too as an attacker. Those that say he helps his full back are exaggerating his help. He runs toward the opponent or along with an opponent, but never meaningfully enough and never with real intent of causing them actual interference. Lamela is clearly taking time to acclimatise, settle in and look his confident best (whatever that is) but AVB needs to decide who is the future and here's clue, it's not fucking Lennon. And AVb needs to man the fuck up and decide that if he's going to lose his job it might as well be doing it his way than some compromise to appease dressing room and fans etc.

An example of Lennon's stupidity is in the second half ball is cleared high from our box, and instead of controlling it while he had the time and space he decides that it's a good idea for a 4ft player to let it bounce and compete in the air with a 6ft cb. Defoe's as bad. His movement is atrocious. At one point Vertonghen had the ball attacking and Defoe just stood behind a player looking at him. Why not fucking move so he can pass to you, you stupid fuckwit ?

Last year we had fucking Dempsey playing, this season we are getting Paulinho in the hole, Dawson digging us into holes and Lennon and Defoe (and Townsend) with holes where there brains should be.

It's good to rotate sometimes but AVB is making too many changes too often and it is really hard to see the logic in some of them. We need a modicum more stability personnel wise and AVB needs to decide what he wants, how he wants us to play and be a bit more certain and show faith in that certainty. We need a little more continuity I think.

I appreciate that we have virtually replaced a whole team in just over a year, and many are acclimatising and and at a delicate stage in their development, AVB is having to cope with this while getting results. But some of his selections have been counter intuitive, at least to me anyway.

Coaching wise we need to get back to pressing better again. Hard to tell on the telly, but are we playing a smidgen deeper or is that just the way the games have panned out ? Is that tactical or accidental ? Or my imagination ?


Individual stuff:

Lloris - Outstanding.

Walker - His set pieces are generally woeful, but his performance was solid tonight. Still the bias tilts more toward enthusiasm and energy than composure and actual creative product, which must surely be part of his remit, but no clusterfucks is progress.

Dawson - It's getting embarrassing.

Chiriches - Great goal, decent enough game.

Vertonghen - Ok.

Sandro - OK

Capoue - OK

Lennon - Lennon

Paulinho - Worked hard but must do better with great chances.

Lamela - Got more involved as the game went on. Personally would have left him on.

Defoe - wasted his best chance. Was mostly Defoe otherwise.

Holtby - Worked hard when he came on, scored a great goal. Whacks the ball too hard when he passes it to people sometimes.

Yeah,it looks like the manager has scrapped the high line,well at least the last 2 games anyway,God only knows what he will do next game.
I thought the 4-4-1-1 was a huge improvement against United and then he changes it again tonight.
Well, he changed it for some parts of the game,then he changed it back and then he changed it back again.
As you pointed out,his substitutions ...................I just can't fathom.
Soldado must be in the doghouse or something.
There is some really weird shit going on at the minute,thank God for 2 wonder strikes tonight.