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Gedson100

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Feb 13, 2012
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They ran around a bit

It's been suggested in the past that rather than a well-oiled machine, behind the scenes at Spurs is more of an amateur hour operation & this week has given plenty of credence to such suggestions.

I maintain Andre walked, because even Levy, despite his faults, is not stupid enough to have created such a shambles of a situation for the club. Mere months ago a shiny training ground, handsome coach and a who's who of who will be great in World Football rolling up at the Lane promised great things.

Sure the cracks were being papered over and the coherence wasn't there; Andre was an island & without him or maybe because of him there is now a void at the club.

A void that Tim Sherwood has manfully thrown himself into.

Today's game is tricky to analyse. To so utterly reject Andre's key tenets of patience, caution and resilience, for all that they were in short supply in recent weeks, was a clear statement. Whether or not this was a product of strategy or daring I can't decide. Make no mistake: this Spurs team wasn't the first team, injuries and suspensions saw fit to stop that, but even so it may well have been a trial; for those players with less than certain futures to state whether or not they merited further consideration or the exit door.

Because we have so little understanding of the nature of who signs our players, and how seriously we took this game, we have no real idea what value was put into it.

Defoe, reported to be sold, starts. Ade; forgiven or shop window? Sigurdsson, shoehorned into central midfield? Eriksen, thought to be a Sherwood signing, rested. Soldado, barely a week on from a hat-trick, rested or dropped. The League Cup with the possibility of facing both Manchester clubs to win the competition? an inconvenience or a treat?

That we then sacrifice our formation and roll up in the classic Harry 4-4-2 is odd. The interim coaches don't use this formation at youth level, why start now?

So to the match:

Initially some things were clear; our pace had doubled, and players were playing with complete freedom. At times it resembled the classic playground-style of football we all grew up with. Why is Danny Rose cutting onto his right foot and shooting? What is Ade doing tackling back in his own half?
In truth, the match was an entertaining spectacle, at least for a non-caring neutral.
So much of what went on there for 75 minutes resembled what the AVB detractors wanted and it nearly paid dividends. For Adebayor to sprint, yes, sprint into the box to finish gleefully, take the plaudits and win the match was poetic justice for the big African, and the headlines were written.

'Job well done. What crisis?'

And then, as used to happen under Redknapp, we ran out of puff. We stopped being fluid, speedy and entertaining and we became abject, desperate and poor. We hadn't scored enough goals in the good bit and we lost. Villas Boas might have taken the game through 120 minutes without goals, but he sure-as-shit wouldn't have lost it in that manner, league result or no league result.

So did we get our Tottenham back?

Well, yeah, in a way. But not the Tottenham that I really want.
It felt like watching an undercoached team of children giving their all but refining nothing in what they did. It looked like stupid football. It looked like we no longer had intelligence in our play, and unless, as I suggested, the match was some kind of elaborate trial for the weekend, it was ultimately not what I ever want to see from Tottenham ever again. They all got tired... it all turned to shit. Nice one Arry.

Paulinho, Lamela, Soldado, Holtby, Sandro were uninvolved tonight and when you consider the first three alone cost about £75m in transfer fees, you expect Dan's man, Tim, to start playing those he can ASAP.
Sunday can't come soon enough and will be a big test, another test being my patience if the concept of 4-4-2 or Defoe are the core we're building around.

Townsend's absence is a shame but it forces the hand and teams involving Lamela and Eriksen are what we dearly need to be seeing, and fast.

I pray for a more organised set up at the weekend with better personnel, after all, if not, Sherwood isn't just wasting his own time, he's wasting all of ours.

Yet despite it all that was unlucky! LO-fucking-L!

Positives?

Sigurdsson in central midfield is well, odd, but the idea that players aren't so rigidly wedded to their positions as Andre had them has mileage. Just don't put Sigurdsson in central midfield.

Ratings:

Lloris 7
Walker 5 At fault
Chiriches 6 At fault
Capoue 5 not a CB
Rose 7 tenacious
Lennon 6 Lack of end product
Townsend 6 Lack of nous
Dembele 6
Sigurdsson 5 New position?
Adebayor 8
Defoe 5

Sherwood: Either he's kidded us all or that really was his best idea.
 
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Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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So hands up who thought the Goal.com Sherwood manifesto was just made up media bullshit ?

Yeah, me too. All we needed was Ekotto starting at left back and we had the full sweep. 442, right and left wingers, defence deeper and a game that after the first 20 minutes disintegrated into ever decreasing circles of wank.

It's early days with this regime, so I'm not pre-judging what will come, I just pray that Goal.com made a lucky guess and circumstances conspired to make it look informed.

Let's start where we did with the last regime; team selections. Ignoring the usual grumbles, Defoe, Lennon etc, the daftest decision was Sigurdsson in a CM2 with Dembele surrounded by a return to the chocolate teapot strategy. The inevitable result was a game that, once Defoe and Lennon had shot their usual 15 minute bolt became more and more of a lottery, with too much pitch and too much space.

Lets not forget this wasn't even West ham's strongest team. And they are a pretty shit team. This time they even played a striker, making one less man in the bus.

The one positive was Adebayor, who was very involved and eventually scored. I hope this wasn't just first start, two fingers to AVB exuberance and we have the real Adebayor back for the season.

I don't even care too much about the formation, especially if Adebayor works like he did tonight, but 442 combined with poor choices of personnel which can look all whizzy when it's tails up but like a bunch papier mache statues when the opposition actually decide to play is a recipe for disaster when not supplemented with a couple of seriously talented individuals to tip the lottery odds.

The subs were as perplexing as some of AVB's, and once Adebayor went off we looked utterly bereft. I just hope Adebayor and Rose were being saved for the weekend.

Early fucking doors and wotnot.

Individual shit:

Lloris - OK

Walker - Seemed to lose his man for the first goal. Apart from that was OK.

Capoue - OK for a makeshift CB.

Chiriches - Got exposed by the aerial balls in the second half. Needs to take care in possession at the back sometimes as well.

Rose - OK

Lennon - Busy forst 20, not much last 70.

Sigurdsson - was OK until the opposition had the ball, then looked like a turtle in windsock.

Dembele - OK

Townsend - I've never seen a player put so much effort into producing so little of actual virtue. Marks for that effort.

Adebayor - Easily our best player.

Defoe - Did well to set up Adebayor but wasted a great chance first half and the rest was just typical Defoe. Was stupidly offside several times and was too easily brushed off the ball a couple of times.
 
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southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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Didn't lack application just quality

Best player on the park should have been Dembele who is head and shoulders above all the rest ability wise

Capoue ain't no central defender and would certainly have never seen anything like west ham!

Rose did ok but once he went off and fryers came on the wheels were starting to come off

Defoe was his usual self and Ade had his moments but let's be honest neither is now good enough if you want to be challenging for the top 4

Sig in a CM two lol. In the right system he could possibly offer you something but he lacks quality at the top level

Let's be honest none of the players we’ve bought have the quality of VDV, Modric or Bale and when they were rested or injured we looked pretty crap without them so should we really be expecting too much more from this squad?

Also without a fit Sandro we’re so lightweight. Only Walker with his pace and power can compete and we miss a Ledley or fit Kaboul so much.

Overpowered and out jumped all night. Nice of Big Sam to not go for it until the last 20mins. Could have been a real car crash!

Even more worrying is with a new management team in place you expect more of a reaction. Fans were fantastic, liveliest it's been at WHL for bloody ages. Shame our lack of quality shone through
 

spursandbarca

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Jul 18, 2008
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Lloris 4
walker 7
Chiriches 5
Capoue 4
rose 6
Lennon 6
Siggy 5
Dembele 6
Andros 6
defoe 3
Adebarndoor 7
 

doom

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Dec 13, 2003
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i got the feeling Sherwood had a word with Arry before the match. not worth rating anyone - all 5's which is good for Ade I suppose
 

whatsappnin

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Jun 9, 2004
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Analysis is:

Tim Sherwood has learnt sweet fuck all in the years he has been sat in the stands watching Spurs.
 

EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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All that was missing was Sherwood himself playing....lastnite had that old spurs feel of the mid 90's when we huffed and puffed and than usually got beat.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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Although playing 4-4-2 is certainly not the frigging answer, its not what got us beat last night I'm afraid. With out injuries at the back it wouldn't of mattered if we had 5 in the middle of the park last night they were passing the middle with their route one long balls into our box which we couldn't defend.

So no, don't agree with a good whack of that BC.
 

Danny1

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Dec 6, 2006
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Well I was actually sat up in one of the boxes last night, lovely prawn sandwiches by the way, so I had to be quite reserved last night as with a client! However, inside I was shouting and rolling my eyes continuously! To have Roberto Soldado, Erik Lamela and Christian Eriksen sat on the bench while watching Defoe, Sigurdsson and Townsend/Lennon on the pitch actually gives me a headache!

How are we expecting these players to integrate into the team and premiership if they don't get playing time! All 3 of them were massively rated prior to joining us yet are low on confidence. Defoe was particularly infuriating last night, always giving the ball away on running in straight lines so he is offside, bend your run Jermaine, I know that and I'm not a pro footballer on stupid money a week!

Now on to the ratings:

Lloris 6 - dealt with the weta conditions well, not at fault for either goal.
Walker 6 - slightly lost for the goal but that's because he was covering Capoue.
Capoue 5 - not a CB at all.
Chiriches 6 - his reading of the game is superb however he does have the occasional brain fart moment.
Rose 6 - nice to see an actual LB playing, gets forward well and hopefully he is fully fit now.
Lennon 5 - ran around a lot, created nothing to be honest, he was up against a rubbish left back and went at him 3 times.
Dembele 6 - felt for him in the middle as he was completely isolated.
Sigurdsson 3 - not a CM at all. Didn't show for the ball, lazy at tracking back, isn't a great passer, sorry but not good enough.
Townsend 4 - runs in straight lines, turns and crosses to no one every single time. He is too predictable and had been figured out already.
Adebayor 7 - positive performance capped with a very well taken goal. We lost out shape when he went off.
Defoe 3 - constantly offside, one lame attempt on goal and can't pass very well, would have got less if he hadn't have cross for adebayors goal
 

gp13tot

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Aug 25, 2011
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Lloris 6
Walker 6
Capoue 5
Vlad 6
Rose 7

Dembele 6
Sigs 6
Lennon 7
Townsend 6.5

Ade 7.5
Defoe 6

Fryers 4
Chadli 5
Holtby 4
 

Capocrimini

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Sep 17, 2005
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Horrible display, as BC said reminded me of the mid to late 90's Spurs teams, horrible.

Ade was the standout player for me and Dembele did alright, everyone else was shite.
 

YiddoInPoland

You got some statistical evidence to back that up?
Aug 6, 2011
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going to wait untill the weekend to pass judgement but i truly hope we don't see 4-4-2 because we don't have the players to play it like man city.

i have to agree with BC re the chocolate teapot midfield as even though west ham played hoof ball any team with a bit of quality would have danced straight through it
 

FinnYid

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Jul 18, 2006
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Despite the result saw some positives on the game and think we're on the right direction. Though can't really see how we could've turned worse so it's hardly that big applause to Sherwood and co
 

DiscoD1882

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Mar 27, 2006
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The fans last night. - 10
The players last night - 5 (net average)

Ade MOTM - please. Please please. Play like this every week
 

micpin

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Apr 8, 2010
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Adebayor was man of the match. Obviously had a point to prove but no one can say which Adebayor will turn up for the next match. As for Defoe, how can a forward with such a long career still not have the slightest idea of the offside law!
 

NeverRed

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Mar 24, 2005
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They ran around a bit
Sigurdsson, shoehorned into central midfield? ...
... Sigurdsson in central midfield is well, odd, but the idea that players aren't so rigidly wedded to their positions as Andre had them has mileage. Just don't put Sigurdsson in central midfield.

Now that's real funny because central midfield is his actual (insert natural) position. You've got too used to seeing him played out of position.
 
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