Ratings vs Chelsea in Capital Cup final

[Main Man]

We lost to West Ham at Home under Sherwood, and Norwich away under AVB.

I think you are exemplifying my point.

The Norwich defeat was disappointing (Clint Dempsey on penalties!?), but an away tie to any Premier League side is tricky. The only Premier League side we faced prior to the final were Newcastle (Reserves I might add) at home.

The West Ham loss at home was difficult to take as we dominated for the majority of that game.

But that is football, our performance that night was certainly a lot better than our respective performances against them this season yet we somehow took four points off them.

Reaching the final this season wasn't quite the achievement people making out. The draw isn't Poch's fault, and let's hope for the same again next season - but I think you and many others need to put things into perspective.

Also, we have exited the two other cup competitions having received what I think we can all agree were very winnable ties in which we were heavy favourites.

 

[Main Man]

think hecwas far better than decent. whether hazard admits or not, walker is the bloke he gets no change out of. he murdered us in the league game at their gaff, no walker then. agree maybe a fraction short in blocking costas winning shot but who was close to fabregas? he had an age to pick the pass from a v dangerous position.

Walker did very well imo. He added nothing going forward but he kept their best player relatively quiet. It was for this reason that Townsend's performance disappointed me the most - he had a one on one duel with an albeit good full back, but a full back he should have at least tested. And he didn't, not even once.

Anyway, Walker certainly handled Hazard better than he did Mata a few years ago! So maybe he is learning @Bus-Conductor ?

 

[Riandor]

I think everyone kinda did ok, with a few above average performers... for me though the two most disappointing were Townsend and Chadli.

We were undone though by a canny Chelsea. They learnt from their defeat and by how other teams have played us that if you stick 10-11 men behind the ball, restrict all space in the final third and then counter, you have a good chance of beating us.

This match was won by Mourinho. It wasn't a the attacking Chelsea of recent months, it was a lesson in how to get the thing won by whatever means necessary. 10/11 wins in finals for Mourinho... I don't care who you manage, or if you don't like the guy that is a great record.

I am gutted... but I was proud too. We just need to learn from this season how to deal with teams who do this to us.

 

[SteveH]

11 people voted none deserved.
How very sad you 11 are

 

[Mr Pink]

Apparently Mourinho was very complimentary about Pochettino in his post match, has anyone seen or read what he actually said ?

But in truth the support of his Portuguese counterpart offers the sort of perspective Spurs fans would be wise to retain.

"Tottenham and Mauricio are fantastic," Mourinho told Sky Sports. "He is building a great team, they gave us a very difficult match and I feel sorry for them. He is doing a fantastic work and having a great evolution in his career. I feel sorry for him but I know he is a proud man with the work he is doing and the team he got to the final."

In the subsequent press conference, he was equally effusive in his praise - even predicting trophy success for Pochettino's Tottenham in the future. "The natural tendency of this team is to win trophies," added Mourinho. "I don't know when or which ones but they have to win.

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9739743/Accentuating-The-Positive-For-Spurs...

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I think you are exemplifying my point.

The Norwich defeat was disappointing (Clint Dempsey on penalties!?), but an away tie to any Premier League side is tricky. The only Premier League side we faced prior to the final were Newcastle (Reserves I might add) at home.

The West Ham loss at home was difficult to take as we dominated for the majority of that game.

But that is football, our performance that night was certainly a lot better than our respective performances against them this season yet we somehow took four points off them.

Reaching the final this season wasn't quite the achievement people making out. The draw isn't Poch's fault, and let's hope for the same again next season - but I think you and many others need to put things into perspective.

Also, we have exited the two other cup competitions having received what I think we can all agree were very winnable ties in which we were heavy favourites.

People underestimated Fiorentina and everybody believed them- it was never an easy tie. No defence for the Leicester defeat though, that was shocking.

 

[jezz]

People underestimated Fiorentina and everybody believed them- it was never an easy tie. No defence for the Leicester defeat though, that was shocking.

There's nothing you can do when a goal keeper fluffs his lines.
It doesn't matter what we do as a team, some people will never be happy.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

I still think alarm bells must start to sound when we haven't won a game in our last 5 ? Tough 5 games granted but to win none ? And all off the back of our most impressive win and performance of the season ! Mentality still a problem I think.

 

[stevenqoz]

All a bit ordinary....Bentaleb and Dier our best imo .....really thought that leaving Walker on undermined the whole team....surely a shuffled defence is better than a bloke you can't put the ball two yards in front of because of injury

 

[Bus-Conductor]

think hecwas far better than decent. whether hazard admits or not, walker is the bloke he gets no change out of. he murdered us in the league game at their gaff, no walker then. agree maybe a fraction short in blocking costas winning shot but who was close to fabregas? he had an age to pick the pass from a v dangerous position.

He also dropped two yards deeper than the rest of the defence and played Costa on side. He played that whole situation badly and that goal killed the game effectively.

Let's not forget they scored as many goals at our place with Walker as they did at theirs without him.

I'm going to try and sit down and watch the game again at some point this week having only watched it live at Wembley, but although I thought Walker was decent enough for much of the game, there were times when I thought his positioning and decision making were still hap hazard (no pun intended). I'm sure I remember some of their most dangerous moments happening down Walker's side of the box.

And I don't think Chelsea had the ball enough or were trying to play enough to say Walker kept Hazard quiet, I just think Chelsea didn't do enough to get Hazard on the ball in dangerous situations enough. My memory of the game was whenever Hazard did get on the ball I was nervous.

 

[eddiebailey]

We lost to West Ham at Home under Sherwood, and Norwich away under AVB.

Both significantly harder games than anything we faced this season on the way to the League Cup final.

 

[Flashspur]

in I am really pleased for the lads. They went out and had a go. A combination of fatigue, lack of in game tactics and experience impacted their game plus they just didnt have the luck you need in a Final e.g. Eriksen's free kick and two wickedly deflected goals.

I am really proud of this young side. Benteleb my MOM but they all deserve a 10 in my opinion!

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

In my opinion. Unfortunately you could have made those ratings up before a ball was even kicked. With the exception of Bentaleb, we got the performances that we probably knew we were going to get. We were obviously hoping for more, but this was born out of hope more than anything else. We are a fairly decent team, but lack that cutting edge or plan b that was so desperately needed against a well drilled and efficient outfit in Chelsea on Sunday

 

[Flashspur]

I think the team is capable of pulling off the odd worldy performance like Arsenal and Chelsea but leading up to the Final we had a drop off in form, fatigue, Poch tinkering with the team selections and a long hard season kicking in. I didnt expect us to win and I thought we would struggle for these reasons. I just think as a young team, they have excelled and done better than I hoped. But you cant expect young players to keep at it 100% forever. At some point the wheels fall off.

 

[double0]

Really I thought our team performance was good enough to win that game, however our game management was so badly lacking, Costa was able to wind up some of our players far to easily the referee was a coward not to at least speak to him. The lack of taking responsibility in key moments is a big problem for the type of goals we seem to concede, their first goal was poor and personally I sight the CB's for not being dominant enough.

Apart from those small details I was encouraged.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Really I thought our team performance was good enough to win that game, however our game management was so badly lacking, Costa was able to wind up some of our players far to easily the referee was a coward not to at least speak to him. The lack of taking responsibility in key moments is a big problem for the type of goals we seem to concede, their first goal was poor and personally I sight the CB's for not being dominant enough.

Apart from those small details I was encouraged.

Again, I've only watched once live so need to see it again, but I thought the first goal was just one of those things. If there was a fault it was that we seemed to be purely zonal instead of combining a bit of zonal with marking key dangers, which is an organisational coaches failing more than the cb's.

The second goal seemed much more avoidable to me. Walker just got it all wrong. He first breaks ranks and plays Costa onside then seems to stand off him a touch too much.

And I want to see what happened on the build up to that goal as well.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Again, I've only watched once live so need to see it again, but I thought the first goal was just one of those things. If there was a fault it was that we seemed to be purely zonal instead of combining a bit of zonal with marking key dangers, which is an organisational coaches failing more than the cb's.

The second goal seemed much more avoidable to me. Walker just got it all wrong. He first breaks ranks and plays Costa onside then seems to stand off him a touch too much.

And I want to see what happened on the build up to that goal as well.

For the second goal, there was some very half arsed pressing from Chadli. Fabregas was in acres of space-I don't know who was at fault for that. Bentaleb only waved a foot at him but how Costa could beat Walker with a shift and shoot, I'm fucked if I know. If it was Hazard, I could understand it.

EDIT: I think Townsend was dozing. And you are right about Walker making a mess of our defensive line ever before Fabregas received the ball.

Terrible attempt at a headed clearance by Rose for the first goal into the worst possible area but we were silly not to pick up the likes of Terry anyway. Dier didn't exactly put his body on the line with his attempted block.

 

[robbiedee]

Again, I've only watched once live so need to see it again, but I thought the first goal was just one of those things. If there was a fault it was that we seemed to be purely zonal instead of combining a bit of zonal with marking key dangers, which is an organisational coaches failing more than the cb's.

The second goal seemed much more avoidable to me. Walker just got it all wrong. He first breaks ranks and plays Costa onside then seems to stand off him a touch too much.

And I want to see what happened on the build up to that goal as well.

I haven't watched it again either...not sure I want to.

I was pretty pissed come full time but from what I remember and I could be wrong, so apologies if my spurs tinted spectacles have blinded me...

Both goals were fairly fortunate...

1st goal - really soft free kick from the ref. He seemed to give free kicks for the slightest contact (especially to chelsea). Anyway, free kick comes in, gets headed out by Rose, but the ball is behind him so gets no power and falls to a chelsea player in the area, ball gets played back in, a bit of a scramble, Terry gets a shot off, I think it takes a slight deflection (a defender may have even moved out of the way of the ball...Dier??) but Lloris's view is obstructed anyway and it goes in. A pretty soft goal really.

2nd goal - I didn't pick up on the fact that Walker played Costa on side but he got back and I thought we were relatively safe with the angle he had to shoot at. Lloris dives to save and would have done so easily, but Walker sticks his leg out the ball hits it and goes in. Annoying

 

[Main Man]

Again, I've only watched once live so need to see it again, but I thought the first goal was just one of those things. If there was a fault it was that we seemed to be purely zonal instead of combining a bit of zonal with marking key dangers, which is an organisational coaches failing more than the cb's.

The second goal seemed much more avoidable to me. Walker just got it all wrong. He first breaks ranks and plays Costa onside then seems to stand off him a touch too much.

And I want to see what happened on the build up to that goal as well.

Not the clearest screenshot, but only one of three players had to communicate effectively and that free kick would have been dealt with such ease.

Maybe one of them did shout but Danny Rose just ignored him (which is highly likely).

Either way, a terribly defended goal all round. Eight outfield players and a keeper vs 5. Plain embarrassing.

 

[cliff jones]

For the second goal, there was some very half arsed pressing from Chadli. Fabregas was in acres of space-I don't know who was at fault for that. Bentaleb only waved a foot at him but how Costa could beat Walker with a shift and shoot, I'm fucked if I know. If it was Hazard, I could understand it.

EDIT: I think Townsend was dozing. And you are right about Walker making a mess of our defensive line ever before Fabregas received the ball.


Terrible attempt at a headed clearance by Rose for the first goal into the worst possible area but we were silly not to pick up the likes of Terry anyway. Dier didn't exactly put his body on the line with his attempted block.

i counted three other v dangerous set pieces with ivanovic making the same looping run with only bentaleb i think who reacted, late, to the danger. this looks like tactics from them, as opposedcto none from us. although we whipped in several good balls in the second half which just didnt fall for us.