Ratings vs Chelsea

[SydneySpur]

Chadli's handsomeness - 13/10

 

[Søren]

Lloris - 8 - But its not a good sign to have your goalkeeper as MoM every game.

Fazio - Above shoulder height 9. Any where below 5 - so 7.
Walker - 6.5 - Getting there.
Vertonghen - 8 - A bit of a dirty player is he, I like
Rose - 7.5 - Good game. Very industrious

Mason - NET -
Bentaleb - 8 - Very good game overall

Eriksen - 7 not involved enough, but enough to make a difference
Chadli - 9 - =MOTM, absolute class performance. Creating and scoring and taking more responsibility
Townsend - 7 Faded and went

Kane - 9 - He has taken the great responsibility of the mantle of chief striker away from our more costly and more eratic imports. Carry on please. We've lacked a goalscoring striker for so long now.
Dembele - 7.5 Carried the ball well and covered when needed
Davies - 6.5
Paulinho - 6

I think You are a bit to kind to the defenders. I think they made some horrible passing mistakes. I agree about Kane and Chadli being the two best on the pitch. I think Paulinho should get more than 6. He did very well for the short time he was on the pitch. I also think 7 for Eriksen is a bit harsh. He should have got more passes from some teammates, because he was free in the middle several times, but he didn't get the pass.

 

[steve]

Great result and performance obviously.

Interesting that Davies would probably have marked Hazard better than Rose for their 1st goal but most likely wouldn't have been up there to bang in our second.

I didn't expect that result (who did?) but I did expect us to match them for hard work and to be bang up for it.

I hope it raises their confidence and belief and we take it into games against the likes of Palace, Sunderland etc. who we struggle with when they park the bus - that's been a problem all season and as great as this was, it's only a few days since we went to Leicester and played like turds for the most part before lucking the points.

This needs to be a springboard rather than merely a stand out moment in the season.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Harricane and Chadlino MOTM

Thought Tottenham’s number 23 also had some fantastic moments

1 great save from Hugo at a vital time

That young boy Nabil in the middle ain't bad for his age is he!

 

[TEESSIDE1]

couldn't davies have done better for the 3rd?

Maybe, but the centre backs and Walker were asleep, leaving Terry unmarked.

If the game had finished 5-3 and the Chelsea goals had resulted from good play on their part, then there's not a lot our defence could have done about it. Unfortunately, we gifted them 3 goals due to p*ss poor defending. Even Kane said after the game the team were disappointed to have given away 2 poor goals in the second half.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Maybe, but the centre backs and Walker were asleep, leaving Terry unmarked.

If the game had finished 5-3 and the Chelsea goals had resulted from good play on their part, then there's not a lot our defence could have done about it. Unfortunately, we gifted them 3 goals due to p*ss poor defending. Even Kane said after the game the team were disappointed to have given away 2 poor goals in the second half.

3rd goal was the whole team's fault for switching off but I have no idea why Walker was with Fazio marking Costa- he should have been where Terry was IMO.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

3rd goal was the whole team's fault for switching off but I have no idea why Walker was with Fazio marking Costa- he should have been where Terry was IMO.

Walker's obviously lacking game time and not at 100% match sharpness yet, but there were several occasions that he lost his man/forgot to mark him. I would like to put this down to him being out for a long time, but he was making similar mistakes prior to his injury. Hopefully the arrival of Yedlin will yield the same results as Davies did with Rose early season.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Walker's obviously lacking game time and not at 100% match sharpness yet, but there were several occasions that he lost his man/forgot to mark him. I would like to put this down to him being out for a long time, but he was making similar mistakes prior to his injury. Hopefully the arrival of Yedlin will yield the same results as Davies did with Rose early season.

I didn't think he played too badly TBH. He always puts a lot of effort in and he was the player who was least destroyed by Hazard . I think there was one moment where he was too far forward and found it difficult to get back but apart from that he wasn't bad.

 

[millsey]

As soon as Soldado goes Kane should take the number 9 shirt...scoring two goals against Chelsea is confirmation that Harry Kane has come of age.

No I love the fact that he has klinsmanns number

 

[millsey]

Walker's obviously lacking game time and not at 100% match sharpness yet, but there were several occasions that he lost his man/forgot to mark him. I would like to put this down to him being out for a long time, but he was making similar mistakes prior to his injury. Hopefully the arrival of Yedlin will yield the same results as Davies did with Rose early season.

Not really as he has list his man/
Forgot to mark him his whole career!

 

[CrazyHeart]

Lloris - 8 - that save vs Azpilicueta was vital.

Fazio - 7 - Gifted them the 2-4, but was up to the challenge
Walker - 6.5 - Too much passing errors but not bad.
Vertonghen - 8 - A bit of a dirty player is he, I like
Rose - 7 - Thanks for that run for your goal

Mason - NET - come back soon Ryan!
Bentaleb - 9 - what a game from him at this age

Eriksen - 9
Chadli - 10 - My MOTM, absolute class performance. Creating, scoring.... he didnt hide
Townsend - 7

Kane - 10 - speechless. Long it will continue. What a difference such a class striker makes to your team. Heads off.

Dembele - 7
Davies - 6.5
Paulinho - 6

This is by far the most accurate read of our players' performance. Kudos...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Still can't think about anything else but this great performance a day later. Best I've felt at Spurs in a very long time, and best I've felt about any player since Bale left. I've always had faith that he'd be a good player and I've always known he's intelligent, but every game he's surprising me with a new facet to his play. First it was the vision and passing, then the strength, hold up play and work rate, now the dribbling and composure. He is only 21, he's playing like a player in his prime. Yes, he'll have dips, but I can't help but think that he is on the road to becoming a truly great player. He even seems to have become faster somehow! I'm not sure which goal I preferred, they were both sensational.

Lloris made a wonderful save and a few other important stops towards the end, and was commanding throughout. Really can't be faulted on any of the goals.

Walker was a bit dozy on a few occasions and doesn't look sharp at all, but his engine is still there and the wide option he provides going forward has clearly improved our play dramatically.

Fazio on the whole was good, with many great headers and interceptions and the tackle of the match on Hazard, but he twice gave the ball away very poorly and one of those occasions lead to their second goal. I like him but he needs to concentrate more, and I still worry about his and Jan's lack of pace between them.

Vertonghen was very good, I can't think of a mistake he made and he kept calm in defence throughout, very necessary when the onslaught came from Chelsea. He's rediscovered some form and he looks like he's enjoying himself for us again.

Rose in the side pissed me off at first, I couldn't believe Davies had been dropped, and I was not happy with the way Hazard did him for their opener, nor a few other crosses which he allowed to come in way too easily. He did, however, make a couple of very important tackles in our own area and showed bravery, composure and determination to give us the lead. Overall a good performance and showed that he does have a role to play if he can keep working hard.

Mason started well enough but injured himself doing the very thing that has made him important to our attacking play, breaking beyond the forwards. Him come off scared me as I thought that our attack would become predictable and slow, but thankfully his replacement played very well and our other attackers all had good to excellent games.

Bentaleb played very well, protecting our defence and showing real fight, with improved forward distribution too. He played with authority and calmness that we've not seen enough of from him, and showed why he's walked back into the side since his injury.

Townsend tried very hard and did some good things, including scoring a very good penalty of course, but his final product was still lacking and his decision making isn't there yet. Kept cool when he need too, and I bet I wasn't the only person wondering why he was standing over the penalty spot, so all in all I can't complain.

Eriksen wasn't as spectacular as in other games, but he was clever and incisive, making Matic look pedestrian all afternoon, with his skill, determination and passing key both in the build up to our second and third goals.

Chadli had his best game for us, and would have been man of the match in most other games. Superb touch, great with both feet, strength, pace, intelligence and, importantly, constant involvement where in the past he's maybe not been in the game as much as he should be. A goal and an assist and tortured the usually sound Ivanovic all day.

Kane produced a special game, one of the best number 9 performances I've seen in a long time and definitely the best for us since Berbatov left. Two wonderful goals is just the tip of the ice berg. Incisive passing, hard work all over, great movement and unpredictability, he showed in this match that he has it all. To occupy one centre half in the premier league is hard enough, to occupy two is brilliant and to occupy arguably the two best centre backs in the premier league, or at least the best pairing on this season's evidence, single handedly, is nothing short of outstanding. He can run at defences so they can't back off, he can shoot from distance so they can't give him space, he can turn world class centre backs so they can't get tight, he can control the ball brilliantly and both pass and cross (as well as shoot) with either foot so they can't push him in either direction. Basically, when he plays like this, they can't stop him.

Dembele had his best game in a long time, relieved pressure with his control and composure on multiple occasions and looked positive with the ball. Maybe the penny is dropping.

Paulinho got involved and used the ball well going forward. Did okay for someone who's barely played this season.

Davies came on to be solid, and he did just that.

Pochettino deserves praise for getting a group who have spent most of their time together looking like misfits to produce the sort of performance we've been craving in the most difficult of circumstances. More of the same for the rest of the season and we'll beat most teams.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I thought we really missed our 2 record signings yesterday

 

[guiltyparty]

I thought we really missed our 2 record signings yesterday

Ha easy to forget isn't it?

 

[Firsttouch]

Davies was solid, the other 3 were at fault for 3 goals conceded. They were mistakes and not as a result of good play by Chelsea.

rating them 4 is a bit harsh though

 

[Firsttouch]

What are the similarities? I don't know enough about Muller to make a comparison.

Thomas Muller's stamina and work-rate stand-out for me and it compliments his all round game.... tremendous athlete!
If Kane continues with this determination and running he will be Legend I have no doubt in my mind

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Look forward to the full analysis when it comes, meantime just wanted to comment on this bit. Basically some coaches can take credit for what they do on the training pitch, for the attitude and cohesion they instil in the team quite apart from whichever tactics they choose for this or that game. Whatever you eventually think of his tactics, Poch should get a high mark for what he's done with our team so far.

I haven't watched the game again yet but in all honesty based on everything I've seen so far, including his time at Southampton, and as much as I really want to buy into Pochettino, I still haven't had that epiphany.

I think I'm seeing us press high up, as a collective in brief 10 minute spells, occasionally (often at the start and end of games)and sometimes we've been well organised (Southampton, Everton) but I'm seeing loads of games that we are wide open, have been outplayed for really large spells, and not just in midfield but teams have got into our box and created good chances, and not just good teams but really ordinary ones and for sustained periods of games.

I am seeing us play phases of good tempo progressive football, but I'm also seeing phases of disorientated, incoherent and lazy football.

Are we supposed to take it on trust that because this is Pochettino there's some method to this, but when it's Sherwood we assume it's tactical naivety ?

I really don't know if I'm seeing a team gleening the benefit of a a good training regime that has instilled stamina. Under AVB we would often dominate the game - with so called meaningless possession - and then find a late winner. Under Pochettino we often start well, are pretty hapless for the middle of the game then finish well. Is this part of the grand plan ? I fins it hard to believe.

If this is all part of the grand plan, and what we are seeing is good habits beginning to pay off, whilst we get away with mistakes, then groovy, but there are times when games seem totally shambolic, with no discipline, no cohesion and no coherent strategy, and then Eriksen scores.

Even that game yesterday there were several moments where it could have turned on an incident. We played with verve and gusto at times, but we were deadly, they weren't, but play and chances were pretty even.

Same with the manU game, we could have been buried by half time. Leicester we should have been as well. But against ManU we were clearly the better side second half, pressed well, were more cohesive and finished much the stronger team.

I've always tended to look at overall performances as indicators for identity and pointers for the future. Whist there are (big) crumbs of comfort to be had so far, there are plenty of scary phases too, and I' really not sure how to read it all. Could be the short term pain for long term gain or it could be a guy who doesn't quite have a 90 minute strategy or who does have a 90 min strategy but is not quite sure how to tactically pull it off.

Balanced against this, and just to make things more confusing, this league gets tougher and tougher IMO. Big money is filtering all the way down and teams/managers/coaches are becoming generally more clued up in every aspect of the game the coaching, the tactics, the science.

Is some of what we are seeing - and the whole league seems to be seeing it in some really strange results - just the quality gap narrowing and games getting harder and harder to tactically manage and dominate, with even the lesser teams having the financial wherewithal to buy match winning players that can alter results.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

rating them 4 is a bit harsh though

I don't think it was because if you go back to the away game at Chelsea when we again gifted them 3 goals, the defence got slammed in the ratings. Yet because we scored 5, the 3 mistakes seem to have been ignored. We're lucky it wasn't 5-4 and a nail biting finish after Ramires' went inches wide, and not forgetting the great save by Lloris. Plus we're not going to score 5 goals every week and we can't afford for our defence to be gifting teams goals.

 

[stemark44]

I thought the whole team played well yesterday.
Ok........... Fazio and Rose both had lapses in concentration that led to goals but for the rest of the game they more than made up for those errors both defensively and offensively.
Kane was outstanding once again but I have to give my MOTM to Nacer Chadli.
The guy was Gareth Balesque yesterday..........we all know he has it in him because we have seen flashes now and again but he had everything in yesterdays game,strength,powerful running and real intent.
If Nacer can continue with the same attitude throughout the rest of the season............he can cause some serious damage to any defence.

 

[Mr Pink]

I haven't watched the game again yet but in all honesty based on everything I've seen so far, including his time at Southampton, and as much as I really want to buy into Pochettino, I still haven't had that epiphany.

I think I'm seeing us press high up, as a collective in brief 10 minute spells, occasionally (often at the start and end of games)and sometimes we've been well organised (Southampton, Everton) but I'm seeing loads of games that we are wide open, have been outplayed for really large spells, and not just in midfield but teams have got into our box and created good chances, and not just good teams but really ordinary ones and for sustained periods of games.

I am seeing us play phases of good tempo progressive football, but I'm also seeing phases of disorientated, incoherent and lazy football.

Are we supposed to take it on trust that because this is Pochettino there's some method to this, but when it's Sherwood we assume it's tactical naivety ?

I really don't know if I'm seeing a team gleening the benefit of a a good training regime that has instilled stamina. Under AVB we would often dominate the game - with so called meaningless possession - and then find a late winner. Under Pochettino we often start well, are pretty hapless for the middle of the game then finish well. Is this part of the grand plan ? I fins it hard to believe.

If this is all part of the grand plan, and what we are seeing is good habits beginning to pay off, whilst we get away with mistakes, then groovy, but there are times when games seem totally shambolic, with no discipline, no cohesion and no coherent strategy, and then Eriksen scores.

Even that game yesterday there were several moments where it could have turned on an incident. We played with verve and gusto at times, but we were deadly, they weren't, but play and chances were pretty even.

Same with the manU game, we could have been buried by half time. Leicester we should have been as well. But against ManU we were clearly the better side second half, pressed well, were more cohesive and finished much the stronger team.

I've always tended to look at overall performances as indicators for identity and pointers for the future. Whist there are (big) crumbs of comfort to be had so far, there are plenty of scary phases too, and I' really not sure how to read it all. Could be the short term pain for long term gain or it could be a guy who doesn't quite have a 90 minute strategy or who does have a 90 min strategy but is not quite sure how to tactically pull it off.

Balanced against this, and just to make things more confusing, this league gets tougher and tougher IMO. Big money is filtering all the way down and teams/managers/coaches are becoming generally more clued up in every aspect of the game the coaching, the tactics, the science.

Is some of what we are seeing - and the whole league seems to be seeing it in some really strange results - just the quality gap narrowing and games getting harder and harder to tactically manage and dominate, with even the lesser teams having the financial wherewithal to buy match winning players that can alter results.

But is it not reasonable to expect a lot of mixed performances, sporadic signs of quality/cohesion etc in the opening months under a new manager trying to implement his ideas?

I think yesterdays result, and performance, could be very significant for Pochettino. Not just for the obvious shot of confidence and belief it gives, but also the confidence it will probably give them in Pochettino.