Ratings vs Everton

[Spurs_Bear]

Think of it like this, hopefully it will be the whingy fucks that give up there STs and the place will start to get a bit of its atmosphere back.

I don't think it's this at all sloth, it's more the people that I have never seen before that are doing this, almost like because getting a ticket is a piece of piss now, they make themselves heard (or not...) because they might not get another go for a while. A big reason why I prefer the away games to be honest. Having said that the atmosphere against Swansea was pretty pony.

 

[sloth]

I don't think it's this at all sloth, it's more the people that I have never seen before that are doing this, almost like because getting a ticket is a piece of piss now, they make themselves heard (or not...) because they might not get another go for a while. A big reason why I prefer the away games to be honest. Having said that the atmosphere against Swansea was pretty pony.

I'm someone who goes a few times a year, so not the best to judge, but one thing I thought was that as the ground fills with more of us part-timers the atmosphere's gone down which makes the moaners more audible and more difficult to ignore.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I'm someone who goes a few times a year, so not the best to judge, but one thing I thought was that as the ground fills with more of us part-timers the atmosphere's gone down which makes the moaners more audible and more difficult to ignore.

Always knew that about you. ****.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Parker sees much of the ball and offers an outlet there's no dispute about that he is positionally aware but the big question is, seeing that he has much possession what the hell does he do with it...nothing. Parker is a jack of trades and a master of none but given instructions to be that water carrier type player would better suit the team. I believe Parker has the tenacity to win the ball what I cant stand is Parker dwelling on the ball.

Sandro has a more defined role, he'll win the ball within seconds were lunching counter attacks because of the swiftness of transition.
There is a time for a SP but personally with a player of Dembeles assets who mind you wins as much ball is much more fluid with either a Sandro type or Carroll.

Dembele got caught dwelling on the ball more times against Everton than Parker did. Go watch what Dembele does on 33.06 mins. Wins the ball, has about 6 opportunities to pass it, but instead decides to dribble it, spurns more chances to pass and eventually loses it. That was about the third time he'd done that in that half (that was just the worst example where clear options were easily available).

I like Dembele. I would have swapped Parker not Dembele, for the reasons I've given above. I think overall Dembele had a good game. But I think people are massively (in the same way they used to massively over estimate Palacios giving the ball away, or Hudds influence, or Jenas's efficacy) over exaggerating Parker's deficiencies to the point of just making up bullshit in order to fit a perception.

A couple of times a game Parker will pirouette, four times a game he'll misplace a pass. Between 40-50 times a game he'll pass the ball simply and efficiently. For most of the 90 minutes he'll run his legs off making himself available to receive the ball from people desperately looking for an outlet. Likewise he'll run his legs off to close down when Bale, Lennon, Dempsey or Sig can't be arsed or get lost.

As for Sandro launching counter attacks with the swiftness of his transition, I think this is another case of absence making the heart grow fonder exaggeration. Sandro's ability on the ball is adequate. No more. Certainly not better than Parker's. He's positionally more disciplined, better in the tackle, but no quicker at seeing a pass and no better at delivering it. In fact several times I can remember him wasting great opportunities with poor attempted through balls early in the season. Over hit, under hit misplaced when atempting anything other than the rudimentary stuff.

Again I like Sandro, happy when he plays because I know what we'll get. But let's keep it real. One isn't as brilliant and the other isn't as shit as people are making out.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Dembele got caught dwelling on the ball more times against Everton than Parker did. Go watch what Dembele does on 33.06 mins. Wins the ball, has about 6 opportunities to pass it, but instead decides to dribble it, spurns more chances to pass and eventually loses it. That was about the third time he'd done that in that half (that was just the worst example where clear options were easily available).

I like Dembele. I would have swapped Parker not Dembele, for the reasons I've given above. I think overall Dembele had a good game. But I think people are massively (in the same way they used to massively over estimate Palacios giving the ball away, or Hudds influence, or Jenas's efficacy) over exaggerating Parker's deficiencies to the point of just making up bullshit in order to fit a perception.

A couple of times a game Parker will pirouette, four times a game he'll misplace a pass. Between 40-50 times a game he'll pass the ball simply and efficiently. For most of the 90 minutes he'll run his legs off making himself available to receive the ball from people desperately looking for an outlet. Likewise he'll run his legs off to close down when Bale, Lennon, Dempsey or Sig can't be arsed or get lost.

As for Sandro launching counter attacks with the swiftness of his transition, I think this is another case of absence making the heart grow fonder exaggeration. Sandro's ability on the ball is adequate. No more. Certainly not better than Parker's. He's positionally more disciplined, better in the tackle, but no quicker at seeing a pass and no better at delivering it. In fact several times I can remember him wasting great opportunities with poor attempted through balls early in the season. Over hit, under hit misplaced when atempting anything other than the rudimentary stuff.

Again I like Sandro, happy when he plays because I know what we'll get. But let's keep it real. One isn't as brilliant and the other isn't as shit as people are making out.

Winner. In every sense. Top stuff.

 

[michaelj70]

he got more of the ball then he usually does tbf

Maybe because Bale never passes ?

 

[sloth]

Why so late? I've seen Ceballos play once and was infinitely more enjoyable to watch than Dempsey.

I think fatigue does play a part whether it's completely obvious (as in a tired display against Fulham) or not entirely obvious, it may be that tiny difference that is needed to push you over the fine lines you need to win games of football - it's difficult to pick out hypothetical moments that may have been different had we not played on Thurs, but it can just be the difference between reaching a loose ball or not. There is clear evidence to show that you are statistically 40% less likely to win after only 2 days rest time - although I agree that the performance we put in was more than enough to have won the game and it did surprise me how well we played considering.

Agree that Carroll would have been my choice, but I see the logic in the switch although thinking about it I would have put Dembele on the right side (a la Liverpool) and hauled Dempsey off for Carroll/Huddletron. It wasn;t as bad a switch as some have made out to be though, it made sense that we needed to use the wings better and Hudd did switch the play and Walker became more and more involved late on and we got our equaliser that way.

The thing that makes me laugh is that a 20 minute stroll when he was allowed his own time-zone people are asking Hudd to start against Basel, this being the side that has pressed us better than most this season. It would be a recipe for disaster.

I totally agree with this. As you say fatigue doesn't always have to be visibly obvious. It's not the only cause for our poor performances compared to those we were seeing at the beginning of the year, but it is more significant, imo, than many think.

 

[sloth]

Always knew that about you. ****.

How could you tell?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

How could you tell?

You haven't been moaning enough this year.

 

[Legend10]

Dembele got caught dwelling on the ball more times against Everton than Parker did. Go watch what Dembele does on 33.06 mins. Wins the ball, has about 6 opportunities to pass it, but instead decides to dribble it, spurns more chances to pass and eventually loses it. That was about the third time he'd done that in that half (that was just the worst example where clear options were easily available).

I like Dembele. I would have swapped Parker not Dembele, for the reasons I've given above. I think overall Dembele had a good game. But I think people are massively (in the same way they used to massively over estimate Palacios giving the ball away, or Hudds influence, or Jenas's efficacy) over exaggerating Parker's deficiencies to the point of just making up bullshit in order to fit a perception.

A couple of times a game Parker will pirouette, four times a game he'll misplace a pass. Between 40-50 times a game he'll pass the ball simply and efficiently. For most of the 90 minutes he'll run his legs off making himself available to receive the ball from people desperately looking for an outlet. Likewise he'll run his legs off to close down when Bale, Lennon, Dempsey or Sig can't be arsed or get lost.

As for Sandro launching counter attacks with the swiftness of his transition, I think this is another case of absence making the heart grow fonder exaggeration. Sandro's ability on the ball is adequate. No more. Certainly not better than Parker's. He's positionally more disciplined, better in the tackle, but no quicker at seeing a pass and no better at delivering it. In fact several times I can remember him wasting great opportunities with poor attempted through balls early in the season. Over hit, under hit misplaced when atempting anything other than the rudimentary stuff.

Again I like Sandro, happy when he plays because I know what we'll get. But let's keep it real. One isn't as brilliant and the other isn't as shit as people are making out.

But nobody has said Sandro is brilliant and nobody has said Parker is shit have they?

But Parker's play at the moment isn't controlled, he's headless, he needs to calm the fuck down! He's charging about here there and everywhere and when we are playing with 2 central midfield players it's a problem. He's covering more ground than he needs to, or indeed is helpful and he's having too much of the ball which considering his obvious limitations isn't ideal either.

He's not doing the job that the team needs, it might look good to the stats examiners but it isn't helpful to his teammates!

Say what you like about dembele but when in possession of the ball he is a far better player than Parker, he can go past people and he has a good range of passing, he is the player in central midfield that we want on the ball.

I'm not anti Parker at all but by fuck at the moment he has no control to his game and especially positionally wise, it's like he's playing on speed with nothing happening between his ears. A large part of our defensive problems at the moments is the fact that the disciplined protection that Sandro used to provide in front of them has disappeared, when we lose possession teams are getting at our back 4 far too easily as there's a big hole in front of them. This is the area Parker should be playing in, not charging off here there and everywhere, towards corner flags and relentlessly chasing lost causes, it's crazy!

He needs to put his head on and think more, also one of the central defenders should be reigning him in and telling him to sit!

 

[playboypaul]

Lloris: 6 His first big error in judgement for us so far when he failed to claim the corner for the first goal. Good save near the end.

Walker: 6.5 He gives away the worst free kicks. Why push people in the back eh? Apart from that I thought he got forward well.
Dawson: 5 Got owned.
Caulker: 5 As above.
Vertonghen: 6 Just play him at CB. No need for him to cover LB when we there's a fully fit one on the bench. Not enough pace for LB.

Parker: 6.5 Good first 55/60 mins but then faded with poor passing.
Dembele: 8 Been at his best the last couple of games, amazed he was subbed. Took the game to Everton.
Sigurdsson: 7.5 Starting to show his quality. Scored.
Holtby: 7.5 Good solid performance for his first 90 mins in his preferred position.
Dempsey: 2 Pony.

Adebayor: 8.5 MOM Fantastic performance. The Ade of old. Great stuff but do wonder what was the catalyst for him to up his game? No Bale maybe? Who knows? Just really happy to see him back.

Subs:

Huddlestone: 7 Did well when he came on but don't think many teams will afford him that much time and space.
Carrol: 6 Tidy as always.

AVB: 5.5 His substitutions have been a bit puzzling recently and so have his picks (Dempsey). Also his reluctance to give the youngsters a chance is a funny one when you consider how quickly he chucked the old guard out for youngsters at Chelski.

 

[mpickard2087]

But nobody has said Sandro is brilliant and nobody has said Parker is shit have they?

But Parker's play at the moment isn't controlled, he's headless, he needs to calm the fuck down! He's charging about here there and everywhere and when we are playing with 2 central midfield players it's a problem. He's covering more ground than he needs to, or indeed is helpful and he's having too much of the ball which considering his obvious limitations isn't ideal either.

He's not doing the job that the team needs, it might look good to the stats examiners but it isn't helpful to his teammates!

Say what you like about dembele but when in possession of the ball he is a far better player than Parker, he can go past people and he has a good range of passing, he is the player in central midfield that we want on the ball.

I'm not anti Parker at all but by fuck at the moment he has no control to his game and especially positionally wise, it's like he's playing on speed with nothing happening between his ears. A large part of our defensive problems at the moments is the fact that the disciplined protection that Sandro used to provide in front of them has disappeared, when we lose possession teams are getting at our back 4 far too easily as there's a big hole in front of them. This is the area Parker should be playing in, not charging off here there and everywhere, towards corner flags and relentlessly chasing lost causes, it's crazy!

He needs to put his head on and think more, also one of the central defenders should be reigning him in and telling him to sit!

No ideally he wouldn't be doing some of these jobs, or not as often as we see to be more precise. But, because he has some bollocks about him, is he desperately trying to compensate for what others aren't doing?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

No ideally he wouldn't be doing some of these jobs, or not as often as we see to be more precise. But, because he has some bollocks about him, is he desperately trying to compensate for what others aren't doing?

Yes.

 

[SteveH]

Ade
Sig
Dembele
Walker
Holtby
Hudd
Parker
Lloris
Verts
Carroll
Caulker
Dawson

Dempsey

Loved this!! TEESSIDE1

 

[mpickard2087]

Yes.

Ok, settled then

 

[Legend10]

No ideally he wouldn't be doing some of these jobs, or not as often as we see to be more precise. But, because he has some bollocks about him, is he desperately trying to compensate for what others aren't doing?

Yes parker has some bollocks about him, he's also an experienced player but he's playing without his brain engaged. If others aren't doing what he wants or thinks they should be, he needs to be talking and demanding others to do it. But personally I don't see that it's other players not doing their jobs, i just see Scott playing with uncontrolled enthusiasm at the moment. We are currently conceding goals and teams are getting at our back 4 because we aren't protecting them, he needs to be taking that responsibility, we don't need him in forward areas and when he is there he offers very little anyway as he doesn't have a great deal of ability on the ball.

In short he needs to stop doing what he isn't good at and start doing what he is good at for the overall sake of the team.

 

[Mr Pink]

There was a moment in the Everton game, not sure when it was exactly...but the ball drifted between Dembele and Parker for a split second, either of them could chose to pick it up and do something at this stage. It was just a split second, and I expected Parker to leave it for Dembele, but he didn't - he took it and drove forward with it.

Not sure if Dembele wasn't being authoritative enough in taking charge there, being the better player on the ball, or if Parker was just taking over because he wanted to.

Either way its a partnership that hasn't been as good as the Sandro/Dembele axis...which looked more balanced with a more coherent understanding between the two of them.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

I see 6s and 7s given to Walker. What's the big deal?. He's just a faster version of Lee Young Pyo. Good going foward, but can't cross and totally clueless in the opposition half.
At least YP Lee, can beat his opposition much more often than Walker.

 

[Legend10]

There was a moment in the Everton game, not sure when it was exactly...but the ball drifted between Dembele and Parker for a split second, either of them could chose to pick it up and do something at this stage. It was just a split second, and I expected Parker to leave it for Dembele, but he didn't - he took it and drove forward with it.

Not sure if Dembele wasn't being authoritative enough in taking charge there, being the better player on the ball, or if Parker was just taking over because he wanted to.

Either way its a partnership that hasn't been as good as the Sandro/Dembele axis...which looked more balanced with a more coherent understanding between the two of them.

This is precisely the type of thing that I and I believe others like Double0 are talking about, this is totally the wrong way round! Dembele should be moving forward with that ball and Parker should be thinking about protecting the back 4 should it break down, after all with the other players outside the back 4 being Holtby, Sigg, Dembele, Dempsey & Ade all being attack minded players and at least one attack minded FB Parker has to protect.

 

[Legend10]

I see 6s and 7s given to Walker. What's the big deal?. He's just a faster version of Lee Young Pyo. Good going foward, but can't cross and totally clueless in the opposition half.
At least YP Lee, can beat his opposition much more often than Walker.

So he's good going forward, but can't cross and is totally clueless in the opposition half!?

Doesn't make sense to me.