Are you saying you would sooner have Parker there than Sandro?
If so I'm off to spend the day in a very dark padded cell with Dreyfus's marker pen between my toes?
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Are you saying you would sooner have Parker there than Sandro?
If so I'm off to spend the day in a very dark padded cell with Dreyfus's marker pen between my toes?
Yid-ol
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I dont think he is, Sandro is injured so unable to play. Parker is the best option for DCM we have available at the club just now.
double0
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That was a car crash, slug fest, over two legs, we've been bloodied....hopefully a good lesson.
I think this game has/will make clear to our players and FANS we have a long way to go. We want CL, and for me these are the sort of games that AVB and the players need to work hard towards improving it has highlighted the mentality of some.
Friedel-3
How we're set up to defend, Friedel clearly is the wrong sort of goalie to have in goal. Inters second goal is a good case in question.
Walker-6
IMO he has bulls! and took responsibility, though conceding a mindless free kick, that lead to a goal, puts all his good work into question, people will only remember the mistakes. Walkers education is ongoing, I for one am fine with Walker (goods outwieght his bad) his pace is also vital like him as a defender.
Vertonghen-5
Seemed to be nervous, maybe playing alongside Gallas.
Gallas-4
I think his footballing minds still there but the legs/body have gone, playing on delayed memory.
Naughton-5
His passing isn't that bad but his positioning was very poor.
Parker-4
Another player who's legs have gone sorry. Parker has one pace, anything outside his comfort zone he is for me exposed at WHL he looked good against a non competitive Inter, but at the San Siro we again saw his limitations PS please don't throw pass stats....(sideways)
Dembele-7
Two sloppy moments dribbling losing the ball leading to conceded goals, but for me this guys a bloody machine along with Sigurdsson Walker looked ultra fit.
Livermore-5
Difficult game, needs a run to gather timing.
Sigurdsson-6
He has the quality is technically good and covered alot of ground was OK
Adebayor-5
First touch at times was poor still looks unfit, but he did get that goal hopefully form will improve, during extra time he was a good target man.
Defoe-3
Embarrassing looked a diversion below the rest on the ball.
Subs:
Holtby-4
I've said it before, Holtby seriously needs to lose weight looks unfit. He should be more considerate when to play one touch football too, at times an extra touch is plausible to open up space for himself.
AVB-5
Wrong tactics but we still had the guts to score and win over two legs.
Another point -WE NEED MORE PACE IN THE TEAM / SQUAD.
I think this game has/will make clear to our players and FANS we have a long way to go. We want CL, and for me these are the sort of games that AVB and the players need to work hard towards improving it has highlighted the mentality of some.
Friedel-3
How we're set up to defend, Friedel clearly is the wrong sort of goalie to have in goal. Inters second goal is a good case in question.
Walker-6
IMO he has bulls! and took responsibility, though conceding a mindless free kick, that lead to a goal, puts all his good work into question, people will only remember the mistakes. Walkers education is ongoing, I for one am fine with Walker (goods outwieght his bad) his pace is also vital like him as a defender.
Vertonghen-5
Seemed to be nervous, maybe playing alongside Gallas.
Gallas-4
I think his footballing minds still there but the legs/body have gone, playing on delayed memory.
Naughton-5
His passing isn't that bad but his positioning was very poor.
Parker-4
Another player who's legs have gone sorry. Parker has one pace, anything outside his comfort zone he is for me exposed at WHL he looked good against a non competitive Inter, but at the San Siro we again saw his limitations PS please don't throw pass stats....(sideways)
Dembele-7
Two sloppy moments dribbling losing the ball leading to conceded goals, but for me this guys a bloody machine along with Sigurdsson Walker looked ultra fit.
Livermore-5
Difficult game, needs a run to gather timing.
Sigurdsson-6
He has the quality is technically good and covered alot of ground was OK
Adebayor-5
First touch at times was poor still looks unfit, but he did get that goal hopefully form will improve, during extra time he was a good target man.
Defoe-3
Embarrassing looked a diversion below the rest on the ball.
Subs:
Holtby-4
I've said it before, Holtby seriously needs to lose weight looks unfit. He should be more considerate when to play one touch football too, at times an extra touch is plausible to open up space for himself.
AVB-5
Wrong tactics but we still had the guts to score and win over two legs.
Another point -WE NEED MORE PACE IN THE TEAM / SQUAD.
Gilzeanking
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Agree with the general drift of the marks . On the Parker (5.5) controversy , I'd say that he puts in a lot of work and is getting a lot of stick for it. To be reading post after post raging at Parker after Defoe's performance is a tad weird .
Anyway in AVB's post match interview he said that the problems were in the player's minds . The psychology of footie rarely gets
much coverage in our threads ...sometimes its like ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room . This is one of those times.
We came into the game 3-0 to the good . The idea was in our minds to play the match out , not to go out to win it .Noone has mentioned the what , 2-3 yellows for timewasting...In the First half . The players wanted to play tiki -taki...but without attacking intent . This mindset screwed us over bigtime...in all sorts of ways .
So ,the start of extra time ,things get simpler for the players....Its an ordinary , even game now and we need to win .Bingo we start playing .
Nice to see Ade (4)getting a bit of praise for a change . Not sure why though , er..yes I am..its cos he scored . His touch is still dire ,attacks broke down when he got the ball . Yes he works hard in places but he's a way off form still .
Horrible cameo with Holtby (4) running for the ball with Zanetti... the Italian was miles faster .Is Holtby seriously slow ?
Exhausting match for the players . It will be interesting to see how knackered they are Sunday . AVB says its no problem, Wenger says keeping a strong prem challenge while playing in Europe is fearsomely hard , we'll see. Anyway Bale will be rested so....
Anyway in AVB's post match interview he said that the problems were in the player's minds . The psychology of footie rarely gets
much coverage in our threads ...sometimes its like ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room . This is one of those times.
We came into the game 3-0 to the good . The idea was in our minds to play the match out , not to go out to win it .Noone has mentioned the what , 2-3 yellows for timewasting...In the First half . The players wanted to play tiki -taki...but without attacking intent . This mindset screwed us over bigtime...in all sorts of ways .
So ,the start of extra time ,things get simpler for the players....Its an ordinary , even game now and we need to win .Bingo we start playing .
Nice to see Ade (4)getting a bit of praise for a change . Not sure why though , er..yes I am..its cos he scored . His touch is still dire ,attacks broke down when he got the ball . Yes he works hard in places but he's a way off form still .
Horrible cameo with Holtby (4) running for the ball with Zanetti... the Italian was miles faster .Is Holtby seriously slow ?
Exhausting match for the players . It will be interesting to see how knackered they are Sunday . AVB says its no problem, Wenger says keeping a strong prem challenge while playing in Europe is fearsomely hard , we'll see. Anyway Bale will be rested so....
dynamoSpurs
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I can't believe some of you are rating AVB 5+..
He should be rated lower than everyone.
- Why when we're protecting a 3 (yes, 3) goal lead does he finally choose to play 2 strikers?
- Why does he persist on playing a RB at LB? (no offence to Norton, but, it looks imbalanced)
- Why persist with Livermore? His lack of a football brain means we go backwards EVERY TIME play goes through him. He thinks it's rugby rules? Holtby might not be performing off the bench, but at least we'd have a bit of creativity in there!
- Why persist with Brad Friedel in this competition? AVBs said on more than one occasion that he intends to take Europa League seriously, so why continue to play a second rate keeper when we have one of the worlds best?
So to summarise:
AVB: 2
Gallas: 2.5
Dembelay: 7
Everyone else: 3
Disgraceful performance and will do nothing to dispel the notions of us being a one-man team.
He should be rated lower than everyone.
- Why when we're protecting a 3 (yes, 3) goal lead does he finally choose to play 2 strikers?
- Why does he persist on playing a RB at LB? (no offence to Norton, but, it looks imbalanced)
- Why persist with Livermore? His lack of a football brain means we go backwards EVERY TIME play goes through him. He thinks it's rugby rules? Holtby might not be performing off the bench, but at least we'd have a bit of creativity in there!
- Why persist with Brad Friedel in this competition? AVBs said on more than one occasion that he intends to take Europa League seriously, so why continue to play a second rate keeper when we have one of the worlds best?
So to summarise:
AVB: 2
Gallas: 2.5
Dembelay: 7
Everyone else: 3
Disgraceful performance and will do nothing to dispel the notions of us being a one-man team.
Walker better than Verts? I don't think so. It's almost guaranteed that Walker will make at least one glaring error per match.
The Apprentice
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Sorry Beece, not having that. Call it as you see it and Parker was terrible.
Nobody including the manager deserved more than a four (in my eyes). As a team we were dreadful, the passing was careless and lousy for a majority of the match, movement was virtually non existant, the defence just looks disjointed with Brad in goal (and high line is a terrible tactic to use with an aged and slow keeper). AVB got his tactics and formation completely wrong.. Defending a lead in a such a fashion is always a recipe for disaster. Credit to Inter as they exploited our weaknesses and pressured brilliantly in the correct areas. On the night they were superb. Hopefully this is the kick up the ass the players need and that we see the Spurs that we have become accustomed to in these last few years.
On another note, Dembele at times infuriates me, I don't think he has the confidence in his shooting. He gets in such good shooting positions by pushing the ball around player but just doesn't seem to shoot enough. Example last night when he was almost one on one and could have shot but instead tried to pass it to Adebayor. Thats the only side to Dembele i don't like.
On another note, Dembele at times infuriates me, I don't think he has the confidence in his shooting. He gets in such good shooting positions by pushing the ball around player but just doesn't seem to shoot enough. Example last night when he was almost one on one and could have shot but instead tried to pass it to Adebayor. Thats the only side to Dembele i don't like.
sloth
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Apart from being shit that was also an interesting match. It illustrates, for me, the fine lines between having a winning and a losing team. I think AVB got it wrong, though perhaps for rational reasons. I think he set us out to score a goal. Get a goal and mentally, for the Inter players, the tie's over.
First of all the 442, he's deployed it seven times in the PL and it's got him 14 points (2 point per game), the formation can work, but the personnel have to be right, in the league we generally had Lennon and Bale on the flanks, with Sandro and Dembele in the centre. The energy and off the ball work of Sandro and Dembele just about compensate for not having that extra man in CM, and with speedsters on the wing the opposition cannot easily squeeze the game and that means more space for our two strikers to take advantage of. Also 442 requires lots of energy, and so it's probably more effective earlier in the season. Against a quality side like Inter, with a right-footed left-back, no speed, and no natural wingers, away from home, it was a licence for Inter to squeeze up on us, and to occupy the areas they knew we were going to naturally gravitate towards. Add to that a striker, in Adebayor, shorn of confidence, and in Defoe, just plain fucking lazy, not to mention stupid, and we were asking for trouble. Then couple the relatively undynamic Livermore with Parker and ask the latter to make the runs which carry the ball past the first man, while the former mops up when things break down, and things are really starting to get sticky. Finally, to cap it all, to play a deep-lying keeper behind a high-line, with an ageing CB and a rookie LB... well, put all of that together and you end up with exactly what we got.
In short it was the wrong team selection, played in the wrong positions, and in the wrong formation. On the plus side I think and hope AVB will have learnt more about his team and his options from that 120 minutes, than he will from the entire unbeaten run we enjoyed this season.
First of all the 442, he's deployed it seven times in the PL and it's got him 14 points (2 point per game), the formation can work, but the personnel have to be right, in the league we generally had Lennon and Bale on the flanks, with Sandro and Dembele in the centre. The energy and off the ball work of Sandro and Dembele just about compensate for not having that extra man in CM, and with speedsters on the wing the opposition cannot easily squeeze the game and that means more space for our two strikers to take advantage of. Also 442 requires lots of energy, and so it's probably more effective earlier in the season. Against a quality side like Inter, with a right-footed left-back, no speed, and no natural wingers, away from home, it was a licence for Inter to squeeze up on us, and to occupy the areas they knew we were going to naturally gravitate towards. Add to that a striker, in Adebayor, shorn of confidence, and in Defoe, just plain fucking lazy, not to mention stupid, and we were asking for trouble. Then couple the relatively undynamic Livermore with Parker and ask the latter to make the runs which carry the ball past the first man, while the former mops up when things break down, and things are really starting to get sticky. Finally, to cap it all, to play a deep-lying keeper behind a high-line, with an ageing CB and a rookie LB... well, put all of that together and you end up with exactly what we got.
In short it was the wrong team selection, played in the wrong positions, and in the wrong formation. On the plus side I think and hope AVB will have learnt more about his team and his options from that 120 minutes, than he will from the entire unbeaten run we enjoyed this season.
I thought he was awful, he got left for dead several times.
garyhopkins
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Just watching it again, and feel that you get most of it right. AVB got it wrong tactically.
I don't think it was completely 'shit' though. Knowing the result (less stress) it comes across as a very exciting game. We certainly had 'shit' moments but could have won it in normal time had Adebayor done better with his 1 on 1, and Handanovic made a great late save from Naughton.
A lot of praise must go to the way their manager out-thought ours and to some really excellent performances from Cassano, Palacio and Zanetti.
garyhopkins
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I think a lot of our players are getting hard done by. It wasn't great, but I think our expectations have grown a little ludicrous. Inter played very well, damn well. AVB got his tactics wrong (see Sloth above) and should have subbed Defoe at half time. Brad made a great save from Cassano in extra time, but if we are going to win this we really need to start with Lloris in goal. Dembele MOM for me as he was definitely our best player going forward and, of course, set up the goal. He was at fault for the first two goals, but as he was playing out of position I'm letting him off.
Friedel 5.5
Naughton 5.5
Walker 5
Gallas 5
Vertonghen 6
Livermore 5
Parker 6
Dembele 7
Sigurdsson 5.5
Adebayor 5.5
Defoe 4
subs
Holtby 5.5
Lennon 5
Caulker 5
Friedel 5.5
Naughton 5.5
Walker 5
Gallas 5
Vertonghen 6
Livermore 5
Parker 6
Dembele 7
Sigurdsson 5.5
Adebayor 5.5
Defoe 4
subs
Holtby 5.5
Lennon 5
Caulker 5
sim0n
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I don't understand the "dislike" I got on this harmless post. I praised 3 players in a game Spurs played poorly in and did not slate any of the other players,... somehow got a "dislike" for it?....
playboypaul
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Freidel: 5 Time to hang up the gloves I'm afraid. Way to immobile.
Walker: 5 Not enough composure. Needless fouls.
Gallas: 3 It seems one game a month is too much for him now. Absolutely appalling.
Vertonghen: 6 Not his best performance but wasn't shit like most of the others.
Naughton: 2 Shit. Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit. Worst positional sense I have ever seen in a defender. We played a high line and he was still ten yards further up the pitch then the other defenders most of the time. He did so many bad things I couldn't possibly type them all down.
Parker: 4 Headless chicken springs to mind. Pirouette. Hold on to ball for faaaarrrrr too long. Pass behind team mate. Take 100 touches to get ball under control. Take another 100 touches to run five yards with the ball.
Livermore: 3 What did he actually do?
Sigurdsson: 6 Wasn't shit but its hard to play well when you have Ade and Defoe in front of you either running away or not moving at all and Livermore and Parker beside you.
Dembele: 7 Done his best to carry the sorry bunch of shit he was playing with and provided the goal for Ade.
Defoe: 1 Did not a single thing.
Ade: 1 And that is for scoring. I noticed in the second half of half time after they had scored and we where hanging on for dear life, someone cleared the ball out from defence and when the camera panned across to the defender picking the ball up to start another attack, Ade was about 15/20 yards off side sill walking back. That little thing there sums him up. Doesn't try at all. Will be glad to se the back of him. Useless. Lazy. Good for nothing shit head. I think people on here are suffering last season Ade love and seeing things that aren't actually happening. He has been dog shit all season, no excuses anymore.
Walker: 5 Not enough composure. Needless fouls.
Gallas: 3 It seems one game a month is too much for him now. Absolutely appalling.
Vertonghen: 6 Not his best performance but wasn't shit like most of the others.
Naughton: 2 Shit. Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit. Worst positional sense I have ever seen in a defender. We played a high line and he was still ten yards further up the pitch then the other defenders most of the time. He did so many bad things I couldn't possibly type them all down.
Parker: 4 Headless chicken springs to mind. Pirouette. Hold on to ball for faaaarrrrr too long. Pass behind team mate. Take 100 touches to get ball under control. Take another 100 touches to run five yards with the ball.
Livermore: 3 What did he actually do?
Sigurdsson: 6 Wasn't shit but its hard to play well when you have Ade and Defoe in front of you either running away or not moving at all and Livermore and Parker beside you.
Dembele: 7 Done his best to carry the sorry bunch of shit he was playing with and provided the goal for Ade.
Defoe: 1 Did not a single thing.
Ade: 1 And that is for scoring. I noticed in the second half of half time after they had scored and we where hanging on for dear life, someone cleared the ball out from defence and when the camera panned across to the defender picking the ball up to start another attack, Ade was about 15/20 yards off side sill walking back. That little thing there sums him up. Doesn't try at all. Will be glad to se the back of him. Useless. Lazy. Good for nothing shit head. I think people on here are suffering last season Ade love and seeing things that aren't actually happening. He has been dog shit all season, no excuses anymore.
chrissivad
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He was ok on the ball, but out of position and as you say left for dead several times.
He left far too much space down the left wing as he either tucked in to almost a CB role or push forward too far. I dont mind full back getting forward, but they still have to get back to defend, or at least try.
double0
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Looking back at the game Ade worked his socks off yeah i was surprised myself when I actually watch the game again.
He played 120 minutes up front on his own and scored the crucial goal...mark 1 is a little hard lol
playboypaul
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Really cant understand the love people are giving Ade. He has been shit all season, was shit last night and I get the feeling, he will be shit until the end of the season.
playboypaul
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He didn't play up front on his own, we played 4-4-2.
OmarsComing
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ridiculous rating playboypaul
