Ratings vs Liverpool

[StartingPrice]

Overall impression: I had a Lady on us to win 4-0 and after 20 minutes was thinking, fook, we will win by more than that (most likely, 5 - 0) and I will be really p*ssed at a great win. At the final whistle...FOOK

It looked like after going two up, we decided we didn't have to win the game anymore, strolling about looking good would suffice...and, eventually, even a pretty average Liverpool side managed to cotton onto this and get their tails up, so I am going to mark us collectively, 8 for the first twenty minutes, 5 for the rest of the match

I agree with whoever said we should have got Carroll on to get his foot on the ball - I thought swapping him for Dempsey once they started to get the upper hand (or foot), or, at least, ten minutes into the first half, by which stage Dembélé was visibly struggling.

Also, ala TSH, what the fook was Rodgers on about two penalties - I have avoided the worst to the slaughtering him, but that effort at impersonating Beetroot Head was utterly ridiculous.

MOM has to be Bale...even though he played his full part in getting us into loads of good positions and then utterly wasting them, and displayed an amazing spam-head for the OG.

 

[AW?]

When we get back to full strength we are going to start getting real some points on the table i'm sure of it. Need to stop defending leads when the games not over mind youy. We seem to slow down and use patience then lose are momentum and then start panicking. It's not like we are always going up against at and then sit back.

 

[AW?]

Our*

 

[theShiznit]

Minuses Back to the invisible Defoe today. Sandro looked very leggy and made some errors of judgement.

Dawson at LCB next to Gallas was always going to be a static pair, and often caught by relatively straight forward balls. Both poor in possesion and both took it in turns to drop too deep.

Positives, Walker continued he's upturn in form, and Bale seemed hungry for the ball (and passed in the left channel for an assist!)

Moose is back and looked good, but tired as expected.

Lennon also repaid Bale by assisting him for a goal...

 

[sbrustad]

Surprised at our inability or perhaps unwillingness to press the opposition today. We let them shit all over us in terms of possession and control of the game because we were all too happy to stand off. I really hope the reason for that was tired legs, not any tactical instructions. Yeah, we got the win, but only because Liverpool were unable to capitalize on their control of the game from 20 minutes out.

Lloris: 7 - I have no idea why he went out to challenge for the ball when Walker was clearly in control of the situation. Apart from that another very very solid performance from our number 1.

Walker: 7 - Happy to see him play two good games in a row. Match saving goal line clearance and overall very positive.
Gallas: 5 - Shaky today. Great last ditch challenge at one point.
Dawson: 5 - Marginally better than Gallas I thought, but not a good game.
Vertonghen: 6 - Had a busy day at work, some sloppy passes and lost possession far too often, but overall pretty decent.

Sandro: 6 - Not at his best today, he looked pretty tired out there.
Dembélé: 6 - Did alright, but obviously not completely match fit. Made by far the most passes for us, and with 87% completion he had the third best pass completion rate. Also too stand off-ish for my liking today.
Dempsey: 5 - poor game today by Deuce. Can't fault his work rate, but he did nothing of significance apart from winning the free kick Bale scored from.

Bale: 8 - Excellent when he decides to show up. Wonderful vision to create the first goal, and while the second goal really should have been saved by Reina it's hard to fault his performance today. Unfortunate with the own goal, and should never have been booked for diving.
Lennon: 7 - well taken goal although it was already scored when the ball reached him. Impressed with his workrate, and he really did a great job helping Walker.
Defoe: 3 - Sorry, but when he's not scoring we're effectively playing with 10 men. Really poor today. Hoofing the ball to him isn't helping either.

Subs:

Sigurdsson: 4 - Not looking promising unfortunately. Did even less than Dempsey when he came on.

 

[danielneeds]

Defoe was terrible, doesn't work hard enough closing down and his movement and hold up play when we had possession was atrocious. Suarez showed what a lone striker can do despite his size...

On the other side, our balls to him were 80% humped clearances in the 2nd half. There is not much he can do with that. The defence and midfield need to trust their ability and play their way out and give him better service too.

 

[danielneeds]

Difficult one this. Great start, fast out of the blocks, which has been lacking this season, but I am of the mind that the players and management were weary of the legginess of the Lazio and West Ham games, with the majority of players playing in all three games, and Dembele short of match fitness, and knew the importance of getting ahead early. We looked dead on our feet 2nd half, at least we were able to get bodies and heads in the way and hold on to the lead.

Lloris - Still finding his way in the PL. Positive, but needs to temper some rash decisions. 7
Walker - Best game this season. Defended really well, some superb challenges on the cover that saved his CBs. 8
Gallas - Some poor decisions, played them onside, and even his latch ditch challenge on Suarez came from him getting the wrong side of his man. 6
Dawson - Poor distribution, won some huge headers at their numerous set plays. 6.5
Verts - Relatively solid, needs to come in to CB though. 7
Sandro - Looked tired, some untidy passing. 6.5
Dembele - Good to have him back, eased his way back, some lovely shimmies out of tight situations. 7.5
Bale - Awesome for 30 mins, too quiet after, free kicks are looking to be a potent weapon. 8.5
Lennon - Good gamble for the goal, but should have taken Downing to the cleaners. 6.5
Dempsey - Didn't really push on from West Ham performance, some nice drives 1st half. Tired in 2nd. 6.5
Defoe - Played Bale in well early on, too quiet, although had poor serivce 2nd half. 6

Siggy - Little impact. 6
Hudd - Ditto. 6

 

[sbrustad]

Difficult one this. Great start, fast out of the blocks, which has been lacking this season, but I am of the mind that the players and management were weary of the legginess of the Lazio and West Ham games, with the majority of players playing in all three games, and Dembele short of match fitness, and knew the importance of getting ahead early. We looked dead on our feet 2nd half, at least we were able to get bodies and heads in the way and hold on to the lead.

Lloris - Still finding his way in the PL. Positive, but needs to temper some rash decisions. 7
Walker - Best game this season. Defended really well, some superb challenges on the cover that saved his CBs. 8
Gallas - Some poor decisions, played them onside, and even his latch ditch challenge on Suarez came from him getting the wrong side of his man. 6
Dawson - Poor distribution, won some huge headers at their numerous set plays. 6.5
Verts - Relatively solid, needs to come in to CB though. 7
Sandro - Looked tired, some untidy passing. 6.5
Dembele - Good to have him back, eased his way back, some lovely shimmies out of tight situations. 7.5
Bale - Awesome for 30 mins, too quite after, free kicks are looking to be a potent weapon. 8.5
Lennon - Good gamble for the goal, but should have taken Downing to the cleaners. 6.5
Dempsey - Didn't really push on from West Ham performance, some nice drives 1st half. Tired in 2nd. 6.5
Defoe - Played Bale in well early on, too quiet, although had poor serivce 2nd half. 6

Siggy - Little impact. 6
Hudd - Ditto. 6

Dawson won 1 out of 2 aerial duels. The one he did win may or may not have been huge, but I can't remember him having much to do in the aerial department today. I also feel that the difference in rating between Defoe and Lennon for instance is too low. Lennon did an excellent job helping Walker, and scored a goal. Defoe had really poor service, but we effectively played with 10 men for 88 minutes today. Other than that I pretty much agree with your post.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Fuckin hell. It's getting really really hard to suck any positives from the performances. All you can hope is these results we are digging out get us through to January intact so that we can perform a complete frontal lobotomy on our side.

We have so many stupid fuckers it's really depressing. Walker, Dawson, Lennon, Demspey, Defoe should all wear big point hats with D on them when they come out the tunnel. Gallas, Bale, Sandro aren't exactly cerebral, and even Dembele and Vertonghen have their moments when you wonder if the others are rubbing off on them.

I would would swap Lennon and Defoe for Suarez and Sterling in the blink of an eye. Away from home against a side above them Suarez saw the ball 67 times, Sterling 61. Defoe 20, Lennon 28. Suarez made 31/40 passes, Sterling a kid having his first season 31/35. defoe 8/11, Lennon 13/17. What I like most about the pair of them is when the lose the ball it makes them angry, they want to scrap and get it back. They take it personally. That little kid Sterling's got more fight in him than Lennon, Defoe, Bale and Dempsey put together.

Lennon & Defoe. I'm sick of watching those two insipid little wankers do so little. Offensively and defensively. They should have been upgraded a while ago.

Bale is a talent, but he is so fucking lazy it's painful. I don't want to run on the pitch and punch the ref or the opponents goalkeeper, I want to run on a kick Bale firmly up the arse. First half he just stood and watched as their bloke (I can't remember who) just runs past him, into the box and through.

Both CB's were fucking awful tonight. The both looked wobbly, gave the ball away got sucked in and skanked.

I really do not know what AVB is teaching any of them, but I suppose all we can say is, in fairness to him, he is working with a really poor bunch of footballers, the poorest I've seen since Arnesen arrived and signed half of Europe in one window.

The first half was reasonably un shit. The second half was just heinous. No-one would move (the problem with a team full of stupid ****s) off the ball, when we did have it our passing was atrocious. We dithered in defence and made cluster fuck after cluster fuck, and only luck and Liverpool's wastefulness saved us from getting the result we deserved.

Ratings:

Lloris 8 - Again showed good proactive initiative.

Walker 7 - He was pretty good defensively tonight.

Dawson 5 - Got is some clearances but was clumsy, gave the ball away, generally just looked bad. Terrible on the goal, lost his man completely. More marshmallow than "marshalling".

Gallas 5 - Same as Dawson. Got some blocks and tackles but also looked really shaky at times and made some poor moves.

Vertonghen 6 - OK but even he had a couple of less than great moments. We need a LB and Kaboul either side of him at CB.

Sandro 6 - Run ragged but also as bad as I've seen him for a while.

Dembele 6.5 - Was our busiest player on the ball.

Lennon 4 - There was a spell after they scored when he actually pressed with genuine purpose. Before that it was the usual ten yard pressing. Played no meaning flu part in the game.

Dempsey 4 - Someone needs to edit this ****s wicky page. He ain't no "attacking midfielder". He's an un-attacking striker.

Bale 6 - Does see more ball and get more involved than the other fuckers, and does carry a genuine threat, but he's such a fucking faggot, it drives me nuts sometimes.

Defoe 2 - Weak, insipid and worse, much worse is he's fucking lazy. When you are having a shit game and your side is under the cosh, the least you could do is close down properly. Lazy, selfish little prick.


I keep saying this, but we have kids who I have seen play better than this. I have seen them pass and move and work. We need to start getting them involved, they cannot be worse than the shit we are watching week in week out at the moment.

 

[danielneeds]

Dawson won 1 out of 2 aerial duels. The one he did win may or may not have been huge, but I can't remember him having much to do in the aerial department today. I also feel that the difference in rating between Defoe and Lennon for instance is too low. Lennon did an excellent job helping Walker, and scored a goal. Defoe had really poor service, but we effectively played with 10 men for 88 minutes today. Other than that I pretty much agree with your post.

I haven't seen the stats, but I remember at least two of their corners which Dawson cleared, one on which Skrtel was steaming in on. He also cut out one of their cutbacks when they got in behind us with a diving header...

 

[sbrustad]

I haven't seen the stats, but I remember at least two of their corners which Dawson cleared, one on which Skrtel was steaming in on. He also cut out one of their cutbacks when they got in behind us with a diving header...

Aha. Well yeah, he did a couple of headed clearances but nothing more than you'd expect when he's not even challenged for the ball.

 

[danielneeds]

Aha. Well yeah, he did a couple of headed clearances but nothing more than you'd expect when he's not even challenged for the ball.

It's true, lots of set plays and balls into the box when we are sitting deep is what Dawson likes, so he did what he was meant to. Apart from his passing, he defended OK.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I haven't seen the stats, but I remember at least two of their corners which Dawson cleared, one on which Skrtel was steaming in on. He also cut out one of their cutbacks when they got in behind us with a diving header...

And Dawson lost his man who got the initial header in for their goal as well. There's no defending either of them really. Gallas got a couple of last ditch savers in too, but both looked very ropey throughout, Only mitigation is all those around them don't exactly help.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

We were pretty good for 20mins then hung on for dear life in the following 70mins

Dembele was blowing out of his ass after 20mins & Sandro seemed a little below par for him. Dempsey was back to his worst. Gallas was terrible

Lloris did well helping his back 4 whenever he could, reads the game very well, comes off his line extremely quickly

Bale & Lennon my joint MOTM

 

[southlondonyiddo]

And Dawson lost his man who got the initial header in for their goal as well. There's no defending either of them really. Gallas got a couple of last ditch savers in too, but both looked very ropey throughout, Only mitigation is all those around them don't exactly help.

I watched Agga stroll into the box completely unmarked (live,not on motd) I don't think Dawson was meant to be marking him. If he was it looked like a Zonal job!!!

 

[Spurger King]

Lennon 4 - There was a spell after they scored when he actually pressed with genuine purpose. Before that it was the usual ten yard pressing. Played no meaning flu part in the game.

I don't think I understand football anymore. For some reason I've always considered scoring a goal to be a relatively meaningful part of a game.

 

[danielneeds]

And Dawson lost his man who got the initial header in for their goal as well. There's no defending either of them really. Gallas got a couple of last ditch savers in too, but both looked very ropey throughout, Only mitigation is all those around them don't exactly help.

I couldn't really see on their goal, even so then, it was Gerrard's 2nd header which was too easy. Dawson and Gallas definitely not the CB combination to take us forward, I think we can all agree on that.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Dawson wasn't actually marking anyone for that corner. Neither was Vertonghen. Sandro had Johnson but lost him. Walker was grappling with Gerrard but forgot about him. Gallas was giving Suarez a hug.

 

[yusrisafri]

Defoe was poor, but look at the abysmal service he received. If he was playing for liverpool last night, he wouldve had more of the ball as they played to feet instead of hoofing up hopeful balls.

And some people just can't accept that Lloris was at fault for the Hnederson miss. He should not have come out in the first place, so the reason given by some that he wouldev cleared it if Walker had not hoofed the ball is a bit silly. He had his shaky moments, and missed a cross during the 1st half but was lucky to get away with it due to a foul being given.

AVB needs to get rid Of this "panic when in the lead" syndrome. It is NOT a "sickness" tthat a good manager cannot overcome because the players have proven that they CAN play a good passing and composed game. AVB should be able to talk through with the players and solve the problem. If he can't, then something is wrong with the manager's approach to the situation, because this IS solvable.

 

[guiltyparty]

Liverpool 65% possession?!

Game I watched said it was 52% Liverpool at 90 minutes, after Spurs had nearly 70% possession first half

Why do these stats differ so much between outlets?