Ratings Vs Man Utd

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Part of it was he didn't have the protection Walker had.

Indeed. Eriksen isn't a left winger so the tracking back and positional side of his defensive game aren't instinctive like they are with Lennon. Rose was always in for a rough ride.

 

[Main Man]

Lennon and dawso

Lennon and Dawson were playing is all you need to know about BC's "analysis". Lennon and Dawson were both excellent today in what was a very good result.
I know it's a forum but im just sick and tired of his repetitive nonsense. The worst of it is that he runs away from any kind of proper debate and just sticks people on ignore.

How do you ignore people?

 

[theShiznit]

How do you ignore people?

Who said that?

 

[Main Man]

You really are so biased its unreal.
Vulcan10 you may want to read this again
But here it is for you.
Main man wrote for Chiri
Chiriches - 6 - it scares me that he is still not switched on with regards balls in behind him. United looked they were targetting him first ten minutes and they were in on a couple of occasions but then they just stopped doing it. They did it for their second goal though, and he has to take all the blame for it. There is no way somebody at fault for the opponents goal is receiving MOTM from me. No way.
Dawson was marking Welbeck and they scored once and once only.
You forgot to mention Vlads pass for OUR SECOND GOAL, it took there whole midfield out.

Vlad was marking Welbeck, Dawson was consistently telling him where he was but Vlad didn't react to the run. Dawson did react, but unfortunately he isn't quick enough to cover. People keep blaming Dawson for Vlads mistakes because he is always the one nearest the player who scores. But that is because he is always having to make up for Vlads incompetency's.

 

[theShiznit]

Vlad was marking Welbeck, Dawson was consistently telling him where he was but Vlad didn't react to the run. Dawson did react, but unfortunately he isn't quick enough to cover. People keep blaming Dawson for Vlads mistakes because he is always the one nearest the player who scores. But that is because he is always having to make up for Vlads incompetency's.

AFAIAC he runs off the back of Vlad, at no point is he in front of him or in his line of vision.

Dawson sees the run from start to finish, it was/is his job to cover across, just as it would be Vlad's if the same thing happened on the other side. And the full backs have to do the same job.

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

The reason they were doing that is because they singled him out as the weak spot. They were getting in time and time again and Rose wasn't getting close to Valencia nor cutting out any of his crosses. Smalling was skinning him too. The two were doubling up on him so bad it was embarrassing, which is why your Cleverley's, Rooney's and Carrick's were just pinging balls out to their right wing all game.

It's because Eriksen was coming inside and defending that zone. If Eriksen wasn't there, your Rooney's, CLeverley's and Carrick's would have pinged it through the middle. Rose was getting close to Valencia first half, and rendered Valencia useless. Second half they swapped wings and Januzaj was getting a lot of joy 1 on 1 with Rose. Once we took Adebayor off, I would have put Chadli over to help with Rose against Januzaj, who would want to cut in against Chadli's stronger foot. Then put Eriksen in the middle.

 

[jezz]

Vlad was marking Welbeck, Dawson was consistently telling him where he was but Vlad didn't react to the run. Dawson did react, but unfortunately he isn't quick enough to cover. People keep blaming Dawson for Vlads mistakes because he is always the one nearest the player who scores. But that is because he is always having to make up for Vlads incompetency's.

Was that for there first or second goal?
You said second but I thought man utd scored once not twice.

 

[Main Man]

AFAIAC he runs off the back of Vlad, at no point is he in front of him or in his line of vision.

Dawson sees the run from start to finish, it was/is his job to cover across, just as it would be Vlad's if the same thing happened on the other side. And the full backs have to do the same job.

No, I am sorry but you entirely wrong.

You do not follow defenders across a defensive line, you just pass them on to the next defender.

Again, I can only assume you haven't played much football, or had any coaching.

 

[the_king]

He's taken some huge critisism this season, but Michael Dawson was excellent yesterday, better than Vlad in my eyes.

Shouldn't be written off just yet, struggles against pace, has his flaws but we shouldn't at all be calling for his head.

 

[Chris12]

If you look recently, not just ours, some players do follow their men and switch over in the defensive areas to a certain point.. Dawson should've followed Welbeck because not exactly long way to cover.. I don't like the "pass" him on thing, its like oh i don't want to deal with him anymore there you go you have him, silly.

 

[jezz]

No, I am sorry but you entirely wrong.

You do not follow defenders across a defensive line, you just pass them on to the next defender.

Again, I can only assume you haven't played much football, or had any coaching.

Coming from someone who thinks Utd scored twice, bit rich really

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Rose was shocking but seemed to do better as the game went on. Some bonehead, shocking moments where he did a Chirices and Benny and took years to look for someone to pass it to at the half way line and let Valencia take it away. But he sure as hell wasnt absolute shit like Naughton was against Liverpool. I'd give him a 6 today.

Vlad and Dawson were solid today. Both had their best games in quite a while.

Ade was great once again.

Soldado was great . Creative, superb passing. Great job by him today. Anyone who says otherwise needs to stop judging strikers based on goals and needs to look at his overall game. He's creative, great vision with his passes, holds up the ball, nice touches, and doesnt go offsides. 10 times better than Englands most natural finisher.

United HATES Lennon and I love it. Guy gives them FITS and did it again today. Played great. Needs to work on his shot taking though.

100% agree regarding Soldado. He's along with Eriksen and Vertoghen are the only members of the squad who can play that incisive through pass.

Yesterday, Soldado should 've scored but he was instrumental in all the goals. That night He was our Passmaster

 

[Damian99]

No, I am sorry but you entirely wrong.

You do not follow defenders across a defensive line, you just pass them on to the next defender.

Again, I can only assume you haven't played much football, or had any coaching.

Correct, if you follow a man who runs across the line of the CBs you leave a hole between where you were and you RB or LB that you could drive a bus through.

As Welbeck makes his run it appears he and Dawson get caught up, which gives Welbeck half a yard as Dawson seems to stumble.

It's very poor defending from both CBs and goals shouldn't be got that easy at that level. Vlad is ball watching and there is a lack of communication. Vlad isn't aware of what's going on as he's fixed firmly on the ball or Dawson doesn't communicate, or both, probably both.

I am amazed at how many top professionals ball watch, it's unreal.

 

[Damian99]

Coming from someone who thinks Utd scored twice, bit rich really

I am sure he's made a mistake and realizes we won 2-1, but his main point imo is correct.

 

[Blake Griffin]

clear cut chances > possession

we had more than utd, we deserved to win. good day.

 

[Main Man]

Correct, if you follow a man who runs across the line of the CBs you leave a hole between where you were and you RB or LB that you could drive a bus through.

As Welbeck makes his run it appears he and Dawson get caught up, which gives Welbeck half a yard as Dawsom seems to stumble.

It's very poor defending from both CBs and goals shouldn't be got that easy at that level. Vlad is ball watching and there is a lack of communication. Vlad isn't aware of what's going on as he's fixed firmly on the ball or Dawson doesn't communicate, or both, probably both.

I am amazed at how many top professionals ball watch, it's unreal.

I thought this was the case until BT analysed the goal after the game.

Vlad keeps looking over his shoulder, whilst Dawson is clearly communicating something to him.

It can happen I know, but it happens far too often with regards to Vlad - irrespective of who he is playing alongside.

 

[Mr Pink]

clear cut chances > possession

we had more than utd, we deserved to win. good day.

Absolutely. If your possession is progressive and threatening - then of course the more possession you have the better. If its sterile it really doesn't frigging matter if you're not translating it into clear cut chances - which is was United were suffering from .

I'll take 40% possession every day of the week in a game like that yesterday if we're the ones who creating far more clear cut opportunities - which we were.

 

[jezz]

I am sure he's made a mistake and realizes we won 2-1, but his main point imo is correct.

How about, sometimes the other side just play a beautiful ball and theres not a lot you can do about it.
Good players make runs and sometimes just dont have enough time to react.
Instead of its all his fault and hes rubbish.
Which by the way is what Main Man has been saying since we signed Vlad.
Did he give Vlad any credit for his good defending or the ball that took the whole of Man Utd midfield out?
No he didnt.
Did he hear Dawson say, Vlad ive lost Welbeck or behind you?
No he didnt, he dosent like Vlad and thinks hes spot with everything he says, which quite frankly is bs.

 

[Legend10]

Was a very good performance and result, was glad to see that Sherwood had the balls to go with the 2 up top, we have 2 top draw strikers and it's good to see us playing them together!

Despite a lengthening and starting to be concerning injury list i feel optimistic about how we are playing. The pressure in the last 20 today after conceding a poor goal was inevitable but all in all we coped with it well. Between the 15 minute mark and Utd scoring at a really bad time for us i felt we in were in control of the game and definitely the more likely to score. If we hadn't conceded when we did and kept them at bay for another few minutes we would have cruised through that match.

 

[Damian99]

How about, sometimes the other side just play a beautiful ball and theres not a lot you can do about it.
Good players make runs and sometimes just dont have enough time to react.
Instead of its all his fault and hes rubbish.
Which by the way is what Main Man has been saying since we signed Vlad.
Did he give Vlad any credit for his good defending or the ball that took the whole of Man Utd midfield out?
No he didnt.
Did he hear Dawson say, Vlad ive lost Welbeck or behind you?
No he didnt, he dosent like Vlad and thinks hes spot with everything he says, which quite frankly is bs.

Then he is to Vlad what BC is to Dawson. I didn't say his opinion of Vlad is correct but his opinion on the goal itself.

It was not a good goal or any great movement, to be honest imo we shouldn't be giving up goals so easily in that manner.