Ratings Vs Man Utd

[Davo99]

Who the fuck voted for Rose?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I don't think anyone would have brought Lamela on, especially after we conceded the goal and the control of the game. And I think the Sherwood substitutions looked strange at first glance. Bentaleb on for our defensive midfelder? And Kane for Soldado was a clear admission of "we're going to hang on tight". The Adebayor sub was forced, so I think that was fine. If only we hadn't conceded their goal, then we'd have been crusing, and Lamela would have had a chance for a good run out. Oh well.

From the report I've just read it made out that Capoue was maybe flagging a bit, I guess he hasn't had much football so maybe that sub was kind of forced, was Holtby on the bench?

I'm not a big fan of Kane at all so I'm sure there would have had to be serious thinking behind that one, but maybe again it was an option of fresh legs? Is there any news on Adebayor's injury yet?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Ok so I can't do ratings but I have managed to download 2:38 of the game with some Mexican sounding commentator getting overly excited. I can confirm that we controlled all but the last 16 seconds of the game which is fine by me at a place like Old Trafford.

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

I probably would had played Lamela left and move Eriksen behind the striker going 4411 and keep more possession.... Kane was strolling after coming on and I thought Capoue played well pressing the MF. I seriously don't know why Bentelab and Kane would had changed or improved our game. I was pulling out my hair when TS made those subs....

Anyway a win is OT is still a great results. Hope Sherwood knows what he is doing.

Unfortunately when Lamela has played on the left for us, he's been less than useless. But I suppose under AVB, a lot of our players looked useless. I think Kane was a good sub, because he can hold up the ball in a way Soldado can't. Bentaleb I couldn't understand unless Capoue had a knock or something.

From the report I've just read it made out that Capoue was maybe flagging a bit, I guess he hasn't had much football so maybe that sub was kind of forced, was Holtby on the bench?

I'm not a big fan of Kane at all so I'm sure there would have had to be serious thinking behind that one, but maybe again it was an option of fresh legs? Is there any news on Adebayor's injury yet?

From what I was watching Capoue looked fine, but I trust Sherwood's judgement on it. And Holtby wasn't on the bench, either he's injured or out of favour atm. And I think Adebayor had cramp (can't remember where I heard this) so he should be fine. As I said above, Kane was brought on to hold up the ball so the defense occasionally got a rest.

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

Who the fuck voted for Rose?

I'm sure I saw someone saying that Rose gave an underrated performance since you need to take into account that he had the majority of attacks down his side. So they might have voted for him.

My view on that is they decided that the wouldn't get any joy against Walker whatsoever, so they chose to pick on Rose, and he couldn't deal with Januzaj. If Man Utd had started pressing 5 or 10 minutes earlier, they probably would have equalised.

 

[voxy28]

I'm sure I saw someone saying that Rose gave an underrated performance since you need to take into account that he had the majority of attacks down his side. So they might have voted for him.

My view on that is they decided that the wouldn't get any joy against Walker whatsoever, so they chose to pick on Rose, and he couldn't deal with Januzaj. If Man Utd had started pressing 5 or 10 minutes earlier, they probably would have equalised.

I thought Rose was good covering those gaps left by Eriksen.... Moyes knew Eriksen will drift inside.

In this game I would had preferred Dembele give Rose more cover but he was running left to right....LOL

 

[Mr Pink]

Lloris 7 I love his style but wish he would exercise a little more judgement, was giving the ref an opportunity to make a decision yet again. Fortunate given the surroundings and demands of the crowd IMO. Some very good saves late on though.

Walker 7.5 very composed and assured, links well with Lennon and there was a lovely bit of play in the first half when he gets out of a tight situation admirably and finds a purposeful pass which starts a counter attack - has been excellent of late.

Dawson 7 hairy opening to the game, but was truly reliable when the onslaught began and the game is being played in front of him.

Vlad 7.5 he was excellent obviously, but switched off for the goal - only real black mark, but a fairly significant one.

Rose 5.5 bit of a struggle for him, doesn't look properly fit yet either - he'll shed the rustiness soon enough.

Lennon 8 MOTM involved in nearly every single promising attack we had. Had two great scoring opportunities and should of taken one at least in truth but his movement was terrific. Soldado fed him a great ball but once again, just like Naughton's lovely ball in the Stoke game, it was Lennon offering the movement. His pace and movement created the second goal even though the pass was deflected into Eriksen's path. That's bright positive play being rewarded. On top of all this he worked his balls off.

Capoue 6.5 sloppy with his passing early doors but limited Rooney's influence to good affect.

Dembele 6.5 worked hard in the second half I thought and even got under Rooney's skin, but not as dominating as he can be.

Eriksen 7.5 good movement for our first goal and a lovely assist. passing was intelligent, as was his movement...popped up with a great little goal - very good game all round.

Adebayor 8 great goal, what a header.Was a bit off the pace before he scored but after that he put in a serious shift, held the ball up superbly bringing others into play. He dug really deep. If Sherwood can keep him playing at this standard with this hunger we are well in the hunt to finish in the top 4. You saw how pivotal he was to our whole dynamic when he went off.

Soldado 7.5 a very good game, probably his best in a Spurs shirt. The ball for Lennon was pure class and his all round game is looking very good indeed. He's getting the service now and how he hasn't scored in the last three/four league games is beyond me but surely the drought in open play is about to come to an end. Palace at home next.....

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

I thought Rose was good covering those gaps left by Eriksen.... Moyes knew Eriksen will drift inside.

In this game I would had preferred Dembele give Rose more cover but he was running left to right....LOL

Eriksen wasn't 'drifting' inside (sorry if English isn't your native language - I'm not sure what language they speak in Singapore - but if it isn't then know that drifting suggests he was doing it without really thinking.) - Eriksen was coming inside purposefully (and probably told by Tim to) to ensure there wasn't any space for Man Utd through the middle. This means that while the middle is secure, it means that fullbacks and wingers are one on one and Rose didn't have his best game.

 

[Mr Pink]

And when Soldado does eventually get into the groove in terms of finding the net I think we'll give out a few hammerings.

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

And when Soldado does eventually get into the groove in terms of finding the net I think we'll give out a few hammerings.

If he'd scored even every other chance we've given him since Tim's been in charge then we'd have given out hammerings to every team we've played!

 

[voxy28]

Eriksen wasn't 'drifting' inside (sorry if English isn't your native language - I'm not sure what language they speak in Singapore - but if it isn't then know that drifting suggests he was doing it without really thinking.) - Eriksen was coming inside purposefully (and probably told by Tim to) to ensure there wasn't any space for Man Utd through the middle. This means that while the middle is secure, it means that fullbacks and wingers are one on one and Rose didn't have his best game.

In Singapore we speak English...

Ok Eriksen was playing like a inverted winger which is what I meant. But if you watch him closely, he does not track back as quick once we concede possession. We were caught out a few occasions and was lucky not to get punished.

 

[yusrisafri]

That was brilliant, what a wonderful performance, tactical genius. We've got our Tottenham back, playing the Tottenham way, the way the fans want to see them play.

If you believe that, you probably believe in Santa and the fucking tooth fairy. And you are probably marking everyone 8's, 9's and 10's.

The unpalatable truth is that that was a pretty dire performance from start to finish. We controlled none of it, not even defensively, we didn't even press properly. We just sat deep and surrendered the ball. They were allowed time and acres of space all over the pitch and I can't remember a game, any game, any time, when so many crosses were allowed into a penalty box without the slightest pressure on the ball. We had four shots on target, all created on the break and got extremely lucky that two found the net and that this Utd are a shadow of the old Utd.

I don't mind dropping the high line but some sort of line would be good. And we have reverted to not pressing the ball at all. Lennon wasted a brilliant chance and got very lucky his cross deflected and and slowed so Eriksen could dart in and score. I don't think he roasted Evra once, and saw the ball less than everyone else in our side - one of the many reasons we had so little of the game.

Eriksen saw the most ball of anyone, set up a goal and scored a real poachers goal. A good contribution but gave Rose so little help.

I think the Capoue sub was mental. By all means bring Bentaleb on but take off an attacker and give us some semblance of competition in the middle of the pitch.

Sherwoods tactics are, so far, scarily identical to Redknapp's, and even his pre match is starting to sound the same "it's just about the players going out there and enjoying themselves". No it fucking isn't.

I love see in players express themselves, but I also want to see them work hard off the ball, press properly, and defend and attack coherently too.

Great win. Like last year's was a great win. Neither were great performances.

Individual stuff

Lloris - Some poor decisions, like punching outside and flying out to Young, but a couple of good saves. Very mixed bag.

Walker - Defensively good today. Hilarious flap/clap at ball sailing over his head. He does know he's not Uri Geller right ?

Dawson - Dawson

Chiriches - A very decent performance (After recent games quite unexpected) under immense pressure. Beautiful ball out of defence for the second goal, took ManU out of the game.

Rose - Wasn't great, and allowed shitloads of ball into our box, but Eriksen gave him very little help and he was exposed quite a lot.

Lennon - Some may be bamboozled by two or three eye catching moments (followed on most cases by the usual wastage) did well to get into position for the second goal but very lucky his cross bounces off their guy. Must be more involved in games.

Capoue - Tough place to make your first start in CM for a while and started very shakily, but gradually grew into the game. Still not outstanding, but did a pretty good job on Rooney and shouldn't have gone off IMO.

Dembele - OK.

Eriksen - Real sharp bit of poaching for his goal and a decent ball for Adebayor. Also saw more ball than anyone else in our side. Needed to help Rose much more.

Adebayor - Looked like his head was pickled first 20 minutes, then scored then was everywhere putting in a good shift.

Soldado - Worked hard, ball of the game for Lennon.


I really hope these first few games aren't indicative of what's ahead. Good one week, shit the next, often good and shit all in the same 90. I know "they" will enjoy it. It just doesn't do it for me.

Finally, some semblance of sense. The win masked a lot of deficiencies, and the substitutions werent very clever as well. Had United equalised, the mood here wouldve been very much different.

Yes, we won. I'm happy. Ecstatic with the 3 points. But it was NOT a good performance. MU have withered and were poor. Liverpool or Man City would still have beaten us soundly (maybe not 5-0 or 6-0)

 

[Flashspur]

I think we played within ourselves to a certain extent. Manure were poor and we didnt take the game by the scruff of the neck which we should have. I thought we had the majority of the best moments in the game. I think Man City at home would have beaten us but I am sure we would have given Liverpool a good run and possibly beaten them on this performance. Agreed, it was not a command performance but we always looked comfortable and when United upped the tempo we went with them. In previous years that would have been when we fell away.

 

[kcmei]

Rose was shocking really, didn't stop a single cross all game.
I'd hate to see the stats on successful crosses from the right from them, would be near 100% I'd guess.

thought they were specifically targeting rose but he did well. To be fair, most players would struggle with januzaj's acceleration + ball shielding and with also valencia bombing down, it was a huge task to stop them

 

[voxy28]

Finally, some semblance of sense. The win masked a lot of deficiencies, and the substitutions werent very clever as well. Had United equalised, the mood here wouldve been very much different.

Yes, we won. I'm happy. Ecstatic with the 3 points. But it was NOT a good performance. MU have withered and were poor. Liverpool or Man City would still have beaten us soundly (maybe not 5-0 or 6-0)

The stats tell us some things....

MU----------------------SPURS
16------Total Shots-------9
6-----Shots on Target-----4
82%---Pass Success-----72%
53%----Aerial Success---47%
8---------Dribbles---------6
16-------Tackles----------23
Possession
61%---------------------39%

I think we lose the ball too often

 

[Spurger King]

The stats tell us some things....

MU----------------------SPURS
16------Total Shots-------9
6-----Shots on Target-----4
82%---Pass Success-----72%
53%----Aerial Success---47%
8---------Dribbles---------6
16-------Tackles----------23
Possession
61%---------------------39%

I think we lose the ball too often

You left out the most important stat:

United 1 Spurs 2

 

[beats1]

That was brilliant, what a wonderful performance, tactical genius. We've got our Tottenham back, playing the Tottenham way, the way the fans want to see them play.

If you believe that, you probably believe in Santa and the fucking tooth fairy. And you are probably marking everyone 8's, 9's and 10's.

The unpalatable truth is that that was a pretty dire performance from start to finish. We controlled none of it, not even defensively, we didn't even press properly. We just sat deep and surrendered the ball. They were allowed time and acres of space all over the pitch and I can't remember a game, any game, any time, when so many crosses were allowed into a penalty box without the slightest pressure on the ball. We had four shots on target, all created on the break and got extremely lucky that two found the net and that this Utd are a shadow of the old Utd.

I don't mind dropping the high line but some sort of line would be good. And we have reverted to not pressing the ball at all. Lennon wasted a brilliant chance and got very lucky his cross deflected and and slowed so Eriksen could dart in and score. I don't think he roasted Evra once, and saw the ball less than everyone else in our side - one of the many reasons we had so little of the game.

Eriksen saw the most ball of anyone, set up a goal and scored a real poachers goal. A good contribution but gave Rose so little help.

I think the Capoue sub was mental. By all means bring Bentaleb on but take off an attacker and give us some semblance of competition in the middle of the pitch.

Sherwoods tactics are, so far, scarily identical to Redknapp's, and even his pre match is starting to sound the same "it's just about the players going out there and enjoying themselves". No it fucking isn't.

I love see in players express themselves, but I also want to see them work hard off the ball, press properly, and defend and attack coherently too.

Great win. Like last year's was a great win. Neither were great performances.

Individual stuff

Lloris - Some poor decisions, like punching outside and flying out to Young, but a couple of good saves. Very mixed bag.

Walker - Defensively good today. Hilarious flap/clap at ball sailing over his head. He does know he's not Uri Geller right ?

Dawson - Dawson

Chiriches - A very decent performance (After recent games quite unexpected) under immense pressure. Beautiful ball out of defence for the second goal, took ManU out of the game.

Rose - Wasn't great, and allowed shitloads of ball into our box, but Eriksen gave him very little help and he was exposed quite a lot.

Lennon - Some may be bamboozled by two or three eye catching moments (followed on most cases by the usual wastage) did well to get into position for the second goal but very lucky his cross bounces off their guy. Must be more involved in games.

Capoue - Tough place to make your first start in CM for a while and started very shakily, but gradually grew into the game. Still not outstanding, but did a pretty good job on Rooney and shouldn't have gone off IMO.

Dembele - OK.

Eriksen - Real sharp bit of poaching for his goal and a decent ball for Adebayor. Also saw more ball than anyone else in our side. Needed to help Rose much more.

Adebayor - Looked like his head was pickled first 20 minutes, then scored then was everywhere putting in a good shift.

Soldado - Worked hard, ball of the game for Lennon.


I really hope these first few games aren't indicative of what's ahead. Good one week, shit the next, often good and shit all in the same 90. I know "they" will enjoy it. It just doesn't do it for me.

I dont remember Redknapp playing a 442/433 hybrid lets be honest. Redknapp relied on the counter alot against stoke they didnt get out of their own half and tried to exploit the high line.

Just because you look crazy, act crazy and people think you are crazy, doesnt mean you are crazy. Some times letting people underestimate you or even saying the right things to get the best of your players doesnt mean timothy is harry.

Also last season didnt we beat united under AVB, sitting deep and hitting them on the counter?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I dont remember Redknapp playing a 442/433 hybrid lets be honest. Redknapp relied on the counter alot against stoke they didnt get out of their own half and tried to exploit the high line.

Just because you look crazy, act crazy and people think you are crazy, doesnt mean you are crazy. Some times letting people underestimate you or even saying the right things to get the best of your players doesnt mean timothy is harry.

Also last season didnt we beat united under AVB, sitting deep and hitting them on the counter?

No not really, I think you're wrong on two counts mate, we did actually play a 442/433 hybrid towards the end of HR time, around the VdV era when he used to pull to the right but also operate as a middle man, Swansea at home comes to mind.

And last year at old Trafford I think we played very well in the first half, one of the high points of AVB tenure, but then shit ourselves in the second half and weren't even interested in attempting the counter attack apart from the Dempsey goal.

 

[beats1]

No not really, I think you're wrong on two counts mate, we did actually play a 442/433 hybrid towards the end of HR time, around the VdV era when he used to pull to the right but also operate as a middle man, Swansea at home comes to mind.

And last year at old Trafford I think we played very well in the first half, one of the high points of AVB tenure, but then shit ourselves in the second half and weren't even interested in attempting the counter attack apart from the Dempsey goal.

fair enough but second half was very similar to today from what i saw(first 60 mins) and heard(radio 5 live for last 30mins) i.e defending for our live

As for 442 i know we vdv but it always felt more of a 4222 from what i remember with Parker and Modric deeper and Bale and VDV forward

 

[edgey]

I was happy with the win and this time no one can say 1-man-team-Bale won the game for us, the team did. But as some have already pointed out, there are some worrying flaws to our game at the moment. Granted we do have a rather large casualty list, and with a fully fit squad our first 11 would look quite different to the one fielded yesterday. But that said a win is a win and a very important one at that! Sherwoods substitutions worry me a bit tho... When he took Capou off and Adebayor went off too we were left so open and United made for a very nervy 20mins

Oh and Lennon was my MOTM. Was dangerous on the wing, did well defensively too, probably should've converted atleast one of his 2 clear cut chances but overall he did his job and did it well. Think Soldado also had a very good game and was obviously just missing a goal to top it off.