Ratings vs Newcastle

[dannythomas]

I think kane worked hard too

He was completely isolated but was running all over the park to get involved

He was even back collecting the ball off lloris and one point

His team mates left him isolated and working off less than scraps

Lamela did well too and Eriksen played well in the brief 10 mins we got back in the game after half time

The rest didn't turn up at all today and it was a shambles of a performance with no heart and no effort

How many times this season have we seen Alli at the sharp end getting up alongside Kane ? Take him out an we just don't have anyone who does that. Sorry Bus Conductor, we will continue to disagree about Alli too. Another striker is a desparate need.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

How many times this season have we seen Alli at the sharp end getting up alongside Kane ? Take him out an we just don't have anyone who does that. Sorry Bus Conductor, we will continue to disagree about Alli too. Another striker is a desparate need.

I think poch realy know it, sad we donot have berahino yesterday

 

[cliff jones]

I can't be fucked to autopsy that lot.

I keep reading lots of bollocks about how it's because we were missing Dembele or about how it was all Mason's fault. Well Dembele was one of the pricks who cost us 3 points from 2-0 up at Chelsea, and unless Mason was wearing a Dembele latex Mission Impossible mask it was also Dembele on the pitch when we unravelled and totally lost control of a game at home to West fucking Brom.

How the fuck Mason was getting all the shit at half time whilst Dier remained blameless I have no idea. Dier's been poor for a month and the common denominator in a midfield that has turned over leads in 3 of the last 4 games, as well as featuring in every single midfield of the 20 points we've turned from leads to losses. And he's had the best CB pairing in the league behind him and the best defensive front four ahead of him, not clowns like Fazio, Chadli and Townsend to wipe up after.

I like Dier, genuinely I do, think he could one day captain this team. But the idiots calling him the next Xabi Alonso in the STWL thread need to be fucking professionally assessed.

The last four weeks haven't been about any individual who has or hasn't played. Just as the rest of the season's success wasn't about one individual. It's been about the group and the coach.

We started poorly, we finished poorly, in-between, as a group and coach, we've been damn good.

Theres no point digging individuals out, especially those who didnt even play~ whether they deserved to be suspended or not. it was a train wreck of a performance from the whole lot of them,

Is there usually not a none deserved box?

Poch has slaughtered the players, though this time not eaten any humble pie himself.

He certainly needs to, he has no idea how to play against 10 and needs to drill this properly on the training ground, both in terms of cleverly breaking the door down whilst leaving at least one player with real pace back. Whats the point of pushing defenders into already congested spaces, then keep having to defend 1v2 or 2v3 breakaways?

 

[nedley]

Davies was a better matchup in training vs Townsend than rose

We'll that was a terrible decision. Davies clearly wasn't ready for a match of that magnitude. His last outing was when he came on vs Chelsea. Visibly shaking like a shitting dog.

 

[nedley]

Davies was a better matchup in training vs Townsend than rose

Very odd. Rose has managed to keep his place most of the season. Playing very well for the most right up to the very end of the season.

I'm not sure what Poch was thinking on that one. You need to win a game you play your best 11 or as close to it as possible.

 

[JimmyG2]

Been thinking about it overnight.
More depressed than ever this morning.
Kane golden boot, automatic qualification for CL included.
Always more interested in performance than result
but its a long time until we can put that one behind us
and what chance is there that it
won't return to haunt us.
Champions' League? You're 'avin a laugh.
Bet responsibly

 

[Shea]

Like others have been saying


I grew up with spurs being shit - I've seen abject terrible performances numerous times (I had season tickets throughout the gerry Francis and Christian gross years)

It's nothing new to me to see us get destroyed and play like that

What makes yesterday much worse is the lack of effort

This team didn't lose because they're shit

This team lost because they didn't care and were already finished for the season after the chelsea game

It's not something I really worry about going forward. I know we still have a great squad that will be invested in and continue to improve

But I am pretty disgusted by the attitude on display yesterday. It shows a lack of respect for the travelling fans and a lack of respect for the fans world wide who after 21 years wanted to see us finish above our biggest rivals

They clearly didn't get or didn't care about the importance of that to our fans and they didn't put the effort required in during the last two games to get the point required

Disgusting and disgraceful are the best words I can use to describe the attitude of the players who walked around like a stroll in the park just waiting for the final whistle so they could concentrate on the euros or get on the beach for the summer

I thought this young squad and passion, pride and a connection with the fans but the run in shows that they don't care about the fans

 

[Spurs 1961]

2points from the last four games, 3points from the first four. Clear to see where we lost the chance to win the title. I think it just showed we have a very good first eleven but beyond that just average players. We need three or four top players for cover/competition

 

[Spurs 1961]

Very odd. Rose has managed to keep his place most of the season. Playing very well for the most right up to the very end of the season.

I'm not sure what Poch was thinking on that one. You need to win a game you play your best 11 or as close to it as possible.

Take out Danny Rose from our side and you remove a huge amount of energy, passion, attacking threat and fight. Pretty much left Lamela on his own in that way especially without Dembele and Alli who bring similar attributes alongside their ability.

 

[mpickard2087]

Where Dembele is missed is that he is basically the only one, whether by moving the ball or holding it himself, who can retain possession of the ball under any pressure. Eriksen will in some games, will disappear in others. Dier just doesn't want to know under any pressure. Mason is struggling big time for form/confidence/fitness and playing ultra safe. Lamela is still, whatever the improvements, pretty random and haphazard, Son is haphazard and a ditherer supreme. Ditto for Alli.

I think 99% of fans want another 'power'/destroyer type option to be brought in, I personally though want to see a pivot who will be there at the heart of midfield and act as the glue and the hub of what we do with the ball and get us playing.

I don't think the absence of one or two certain players is the main problem though, the warning signs were there when the likes of Alli and Dembele were already in the team... I actually think all intensity went out of our play weeks ago, even prior to the Chelsea game. Even against Stoke we were playing fairly relaxed and though we won convincingly a lot of people weren't massively happy with some of the sloppy play and mistakes in the game, we just had a good night and Stoke were very poor. Bar the angry meltdown scond half against Chelsea, I think we've lost the energy to our game as a team since the Man Utd game. When your whole game is built on that, you've got problems, no matter which individuals are missing.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I can't be fucked to autopsy that lot.

I keep reading lots of bollocks about how it's because we were missing Dembele or about how it was all Mason's fault. Well Dembele was one of the pricks who cost us 3 points from 2-0 up at Chelsea, and unless Mason was wearing a Dembele latex Mission Impossible mask it was also Dembele on the pitch when we unravelled and totally lost control of a game at home to West fucking Brom.

How the fuck Mason was getting all the shit at half time whilst Dier remained blameless I have no idea. Dier's been poor for a month and the common denominator in a midfield that has turned over leads in 3 of the last 4 games, as well as featuring in every single midfield of the 20 points we've turned from leads to losses. And he's had the best CB pairing in the league behind him and the best defensive front four ahead of him, not clowns like Fazio, Chadli and Townsend to wipe up after.

I like Dier, genuinely I do, think he could one day captain this team. But the idiots calling him the next Xabi Alonso in the STWL thread need to be fucking professionally assessed.

The last four weeks haven't been about any individual who has or hasn't played. Just as the rest of the season's success wasn't about one individual. It's been about the group and the coach.

We started poorly, we finished poorly, in-between, as a group and coach, we've been damn good.

This post is basically you blaming Dier, calling him the 'common denominator', and then saying it's not about individuals. Lol.

 

[cliff jones]

We'll that was a terrible decision. Davies clearly wasn't ready for a match of that magnitude. His last outing was when he came on vs Chelsea. Visibly shaking like a shitting dog.

I think Davies was poor but you also have to look at combinations. Son was supposed to be helping but Janmaat was overlapping Townsend at will and I think the decisive second goal resulted, and probably more opportunities too but I've constructed a giant cloud in my brain to block as many details as I can, still got a shite nights sleep last night though, guess I'm not alone!

 

[Gilzeanking]

I think we've lost the energy to our game as a team since the Man Utd game. When your whole game is built on that, you've got problems, no matter which individuals are missing.

Yes ,its a core issue in our success . We had more energy than the oppo outrunning them basically. Without it we are lost.

I was yakking on after Xmas about how we might be running out of this vital energy....and was proved clearly wrong through to April by our powerful displays . However , maybe the tank was drained in the season's last matches .

I understand the Poch system has led to poorer results with his previous teams in the latter stages of a season .

 

[Flashspur]

...we made Newcastle look like Real Madrid even with 10 men...pathetic. I am still trying to get over it. Fucking embarrassing joke performance. Champions League...you're having a laugh!

 

[fletch82]

We would have breezed it if bentelab had played next xabi alonso you know but better already

 

[Dougal]

Champions League...you're having a laugh!

You mean to win it, compete in it, be in it?

 

[thinktank]

Where Dembele is missed is that he is basically the only one, whether by moving the ball or holding it himself, who can retain possession of the ball under any pressure. Eriksen will in some games, will disappear in others. Dier just doesn't want to know under any pressure. Mason is struggling big time for form/confidence/fitness and playing ultra safe. Lamela is still, whatever the improvements, pretty random and haphazard, Son is haphazard and a ditherer supreme. Ditto for Alli.

I think 99% of fans want another 'power'/destroyer type option to be brought in, I personally though want to see a pivot who will be there at the heart of midfield and act as the glue and the hub of what we do with the ball and get us playing.

I don't think the absence of one or two certain players is the main problem though, the warning signs were there when the likes of Alli and Dembele were already in the team... I actually think all intensity went out of our play weeks ago, even prior to the Chelsea game. Even against Stoke we were playing fairly relaxed and though we won convincingly a lot of people weren't massively happy with some of the sloppy play and mistakes in the game, we just had a good night and Stoke were very poor. Bar the angry meltdown scond half against Chelsea, I think we've lost the energy to our game as a team since the Man Utd game. When your whole game is built on that, you've got problems, no matter which individuals are missing.

Tieiemans.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Where Dembele is missed is that he is basically the only one, whether by moving the ball or holding it himself, who can retain possession of the ball under any pressure. Eriksen will in some games, will disappear in others. Dier just doesn't want to know under any pressure. Mason is struggling big time for form/confidence/fitness and playing ultra safe. Lamela is still, whatever the improvements, pretty random and haphazard, Son is haphazard and a ditherer supreme. Ditto for Alli.

I think 99% of fans want another 'power'/destroyer type option to be brought in, I personally though want to see a pivot who will be there at the heart of midfield and act as the glue and the hub of what we do with the ball and get us playing.

I don't think the absence of one or two certain players is the main problem though, the warning signs were there when the likes of Alli and Dembele were already in the team... I actually think all intensity went out of our play weeks ago, even prior to the Chelsea game. Even against Stoke we were playing fairly relaxed and though we won convincingly a lot of people weren't massively happy with some of the sloppy play and mistakes in the game, we just had a good night and Stoke were very poor. Bar the angry meltdown scond half against Chelsea, I think we've lost the energy to our game as a team since the Man Utd game. When your whole game is built on that, you've got problems, no matter which individuals are missing.

The thing is that is a massive part of the game. People really underestimate how important that is to be able to get a foothold and then to dominate a game. All this passing forward quickly nonsense is just a overused cliche. If you can't receive the ball on the half turn under pressure then you're naturally going to sink deeper and deeper until you are on the centre halves toes. Ok you then might play it forward but you've just surrended the intiative in midfield.

We need another midfielder who's comfortable with both feet, calm under pressure, maybe a change of pace and with a presence about them. Trouble is they are not easy to find.

 

[danielneeds]

I think 99% of fans want another 'power'/destroyer type option to be brought in, I personally though want to see a pivot who will be there at the heart of midfield and act as the glue and the hub of what we do with the ball and get us playing.

Ideally we could find a player who can do both. William Carvalho for instance, utter powerhouse, but also was the pivot of the Portgual U21 side when they brushed aside England's U21s last summer. I don't know how he's been playing this season for Sporting since returning from injury, because frankly life's too short to watch the Portuguese Primeira Liga.

 

[Bulletspur]

Take out Danny Rose from our side and you remove a huge amount of energy, passion, attacking threat and fight. Pretty much left Lamela on his own in that way especially without Dembele and Alli who bring similar attributes alongside their ability.

When I saw the selection I thought Rose was injured then I saw him on the bench I immediately became pissed off and then questioned Pochetino's thinking process. What the fuck! I guarantee that had Rose been playing there would have been a different outcome both in performance and result. We missed his offensive play, his pace, his passion. I don't see Newcastle making those number of counter plays, at least successful ones with Rose in the team.